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Well considering that there is / was calvery in imperial guard thunderwolves as better calvery does make sense. They are bigger than a guardsman so their stats by themselves make sense, and putting a power armored marine on the back also kinda makes sense except.... how heavy is power armor anyways you know? Those wolves have to be augmented to hold that kind of weight.

40k is science fantasy, not science fiction. If you rationalise that your Astartes power generator isn’t having to divert energy to locomotion, it can super-charge the storm shields and therefore make an unarmoured wolf the size of a bear as viable as any other brightly coloured helmetless 40k unit that’d be dead within ten seconds of arriving on a modern battlefield (or maybe hang itself with its cape en route)

meleti wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I just really hope TWC are good in the codex. I've got 9 of them (most still on sprues) plus Canis Wolfborn. Plus they are such badass models; I don't know where some of the hate I've heard comes from. In the Index, they are a little too expensive once you put decent gear on them, so fingers crossed that they'll fix this for the codex (not holding my breath after seeing what happened with Tau Crisis Suits).

The hate comes from how ridiculous of any idea it is to have Space Marines riding a wolf instead of using a bike/jetbike/jetpack/etc. It really doesn't make a lot of sense to use mounted cavalry when the mount is incredibly vulnerable to gunfire.

yet you never EVER heard this virtol aimed at IG roughriders.

 lindsay40k wrote:
40k is science fantasy, not science fiction. If you rationalise that your Astartes power generator isn’t having to divert energy to locomotion, it can super-charge the storm shields and therefore make an unarmoured wolf the size of a bear as viable as any other brightly coloured helmetless 40k unit that’d be dead within ten seconds of arriving on a modern battlefield (or maybe hang itself with its cape en route)

Which is why i like helmets on my marines, especially TDA!

BrianDavion wrote:

meleti wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I just really hope TWC are good in the codex. I've got 9 of them (most still on sprues) plus Canis Wolfborn. Plus they are such badass models; I don't know where some of the hate I've heard comes from. In the Index, they are a little too expensive once you put decent gear on them, so fingers crossed that they'll fix this for the codex (not holding my breath after seeing what happened with Tau Crisis Suits).

The hate comes from how ridiculous of any idea it is to have Space Marines riding a wolf instead of using a bike/jetbike/jetpack/etc. It really doesn't make a lot of sense to use mounted cavalry when the mount is incredibly vulnerable to gunfire.

yet you never EVER heard this virtol aimed at IG roughriders.

Because regular horses make more sense than enormous dire wolves that are augmented!

For pony?

FOR PONY!!!!

They really aren't wolves though are they? There are no wolves on Fenris!

I really don’t think we have to worry about the likelihood of extraterrestrial bear-wolves in a galaxy in which the most populous sapient species is a football hooligan fungus and Genghis Khan is widely believed to have become a space demon

BrianDavion wrote:
Could be, I hope TWC is great, given that
I'd be willing to bet money wolf guard bikers will be "index only'd"

I think that would be a bad idea. Wolf Guard have been able to be anything since SW got a real codex (not counting their 3.5 pamphlet lol) in 5th edition. They have always been a unique choice that sets SW apart from other chapters. I was pretty surprised that we still have the option to have a wolf guard and sergeant in a unit too. Though, their biker variant has always been overlooked until 8th because TWC did it better. I'm also crossing my fingers that TWC are back in action with the codex. I think it all relies on what we get for chapter tactics, and I have no idea what it could be.

 gwarsh41 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Could be, I hope TWC is great, given that
I'd be willing to bet money wolf guard bikers will be "index only'd"

I think that would be a bad idea. Wolf Guard have been able to be anything since SW got a real codex (not counting their 3.5 pamphlet lol) in 5th edition. They have always been a unique choice that sets SW apart from other chapters. I was pretty surprised that we still have the option to have a wolf guard and sergeant in a unit too. Though, their biker variant has always been overlooked until 8th because TWC did it better. I'm also crossing my fingers that TWC are back in action with the codex. I think it all relies on what we get for chapter tactics, and I have no idea what it could be.

well yeah but the reason I think WG bikes might be gone is because all the other veterns on bikes options from the other marine dexes seem to be gone too, we'll have to see.

I wouldn't mind Wolf Guard on bikes disappearing if it means a buff to TWC. What I don't want to see is Wolf Guard disappear in general. Let them stay on foot or have access to jump packs maybe?

Maybe that's redundant as well with TWC.

I just really want TWC to be a scary center piece to the army again.

Twc and wolf guard on bikes fill different rolls. Wolfguard are a ranged unit, thunderwolves are close combat. Wolfguard with storm shields and storm bolters are stupid fast and just amazing at wiping infantry out, thunderwolves are tougher, but able to put out a stupid level of cc attacks vs infantry.

They can be kitted out to kill the same things but they are done in different ways.

Are we still expecting to see the codex this month?

phydaux wrote:
Are we still expecting to see the codex this month?

I've been expecting it for three months now.

I feel like this week is all Adeptus Titanicus, next week we're due for some AoS. Maybe the week after that? No firm rumors yet that I'm aware of.

phydaux wrote:
Are we still expecting to see the codex this month?

Who knows? Given all the radio silence, though, I now have zero expectations of any model releases alongside the codex.

phydaux wrote:
Are we still expecting to see the codex this month?

No official announcements yet. A few independent stores have said it will go up for pre-order on the 25th (so presumably released on the first Saturday of September).

Whether they are accurate and have jumped the gun or if they are just making assumptions remains to be seen.

Currently there are two options I can see.

1) There will be a large announcement for what is coming for Space Wolves and Orks two weekends from now at Warhammerfest in London, I believe it is on the 18th of August. This is where they've been waiting to do a big reveal for new models. Maybe a Russ reveal, Prime Ork Ghazkull, etc, and it'll come out in mid to late September or even October. GSC in November then and a big Chaos December again. Maybe it will be the new Armageddon Campaign rumored earlier as well?

2) It just gets announced on the 25th as the rumor above states, with just a codex and some primaris upgrade sprues and we'll have it by the first weekend of September.

Sadly option 2 is looking more likely. Without a lot of rumors... option 1 is only feeling likely now if either GW has gotten better at keeping a lid on things or they've been the ones leaking previously on purpose for hype. In this case there wouldn't be a reason to do that if you're doing a big surprise reveal at an event.


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Azuza001 wrote:
Twc and wolf guard on bikes fill different rolls. Wolfguard are a ranged unit, thunderwolves are close combat. Wolfguard with storm shields and storm bolters are stupid fast and just amazing at wiping infantry out, thunderwolves are tougher, but able to put out a stupid level of cc attacks vs infantry.

They can be kitted out to kill the same things but they are done in different ways.

While true, I must admit I do not like bikers in general. Especially in the Space Wolf army. TWC feel themey for me but bikers really only fit in White Scars or Dark Angels in my opinion. I would prefer a tighter focus on what Space Wolves are supposed to be good at, because currently we're OK at multiple things and not great at anything. That could just be me being bitter with my Index force getting wrecked so often though haha.

Tyranid, CSM, Novamarines and Tomb Kings player, here.

Existing rulings, made to clarify Hive Tyrants and Daemonic riders and Dreadnoughts, mean that if Wolf Guard Bikers are absent from your codex, you’ll still be able to field them from the Index. If they’re present with cut down wargear options, you’ll still be able to use the Index options (at Codex-CA prices).

Also, heavily Squatted Fantasy units have been given tournament-legal rules in Sigmar 2.0. So, your WG Bikers might not always be able to effectively dual-wield Storm Bolters, but they’re going to be viable for the foreseeable - and unlikely to end up completely lost in the medium-long term.

See, i dont mind bikers. I like my wolf guard on bikes. I think they fit better than skyclaws. Real wolves dont like to have their paws off the ground so to speak lol.

ArmchairArbiter wrote:
Sadly option 2 is looking more likely. Without a lot of rumors... option 1 is only feeling likely now if either GW has gotten better at keeping a lid on things or they've been the ones leaking previously on purpose for hype. In this case there wouldn't be a reason to do that if you're doing a big surprise reveal at an event.

Well the thing is, they have absolutely gotten better at keeping the lid on rumors. Only credible rumors these days come from GW themselves. Rumors by so called "industry experts" or whatever don't really bear any weight and more often than not are complete bovine gak. If they want to make a big reveal at a show then chances are nobody knows about it before that. Sure they have teased previous primarchs or big releases way ahead of time, but who's to say that is a pattern?

That said, I'm not holding my breath, I just want my books.

I think they have absolutely gotten better at keeping the lid on rumours to be honest. The only thing that seems to be coming up these days is stuff that they leak themselves. I get the feeling that if Wolves were only to be getting a crappy upgrade sprue and codex its the sort of thing they would be talking about more openly in order to appease those of us panting for a codex. Everyone here would be howling with joy if they just gave us a date, rather than feeling like we are barking up the wrong tree (Ill stop with the doggy puns now!).

I think we are going to get something big coming with our codex. Just a hunch, but based on the fact that they could have released us with the other non compliant codexs (DA, BA) with no fuss means to me they have something planned. Wether that be Russ, or a couple of SW themed Primaris Units I don't know. Part of me hopes for Russ. I would be saving my pennies up to get him ASAP as I think he is an awesome character, with a lot more depth than people give him credit for. I am also hoping Ulrik the Slayer gets some cool special rules, as I think he is one of the most dangerous Space Wolves out there, something not reflected currently IMHO.

my gut feeling tis they're keeping mum so as to ensure we talk about kill tem and then Adeptus Titanicus.

BrianDavion wrote:
my gut feeling tis they're keeping mum so as to ensure we talk about kill tem and then Adeptus Titanicus.

Very much so. They want the hype train at full speed for each new release as it hits the shelves. In the mid noughties, quarterly release schedules often got leaked by LGSs and this resulted in people saving their money for stuff they knew was coming down the line rather than spending right now on the newest releases.

 Karhedron wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
my gut feeling tis they're keeping mum so as to ensure we talk about kill tem and then Adeptus Titanicus.

Very much so. They want the hype train at full speed for each new release as it hits the shelves. In the mid noughties, quarterly release schedules often got leaked by LGSs and this resulted in people saving their money for stuff they knew was coming down the line rather than spending right now on the newest releases.

yeah I don't blame em, also some big con is on the 18th (warhammerfest?) which is about the date AT is finally out of the gate, it makes sense to release info on Orks and Space Wolves then and only then.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
my gut feeling tis they're keeping mum so as to ensure we talk about kill tem and then Adeptus Titanicus.

Very much so. They want the hype train at full speed for each new release as it hits the shelves. In the mid noughties, quarterly release schedules often got leaked by LGSs and this resulted in people saving their money for stuff they knew was coming down the line rather than spending right now on the newest releases.

yeah I don't blame em, also some big con is on the 18th (warhammerfest?) which is about the date AT is finally out of the gate, it makes sense to release info on Orks and Space Wolves then and only then.

Sadly I think a version of this happens, The big reveal is a GSC V Wolves mini box ala Forgebane with Wolves getting Primaris Wolves Sprues plus a Primaris Wolf Priest as the Character, fighting against new GSC stuff thats already been stated to be before the codex, Use the rest of the fest to hype Orks and GSC while Wolves get the shaft with a HQ character, Primaris Sprue and the standard dice

What's the source for the primaries priest?
As long as the codex is decent I wouldn't mind not getting many new kits. I still have enough unbu8lt and unpainted stuff lying around even after 24 years

I just hope that we don't get access to vanilla marine stuff like stalker/Hunter or the fliers. I would never use them but the completionist in me would want 3 of each

I love the current wolf priest and use him with jumppack regularly to buff my outflanking wulfen. I think I would also use a primaris priest if true. Sounds good to me.

a Primaris Wolf Preist makes a lot of sense TBH. most of the space marines command units are more or less interchangable but the space wolves combine chaplain and apocathary into one unit and thus would benifit from getting a model for that, more so then a leuitenant. (although it'd be nice to see GW put the DI Lts into a box so you can buy those)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/08/12/coming-soon-new-models-and-a-new-battle-in-a-box/

Smells like no new models outside of the box set WGBL.