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My Raven Guard will be quickly distancing themselves from any such association as the botched attempt still lingers in their memories. Although the temptation to again return to full strength plus the introdution of shadow armor will be a strong argument. Shadow Master Kyvaan and brothers will have much to discuss/debate as far as the future of Corax's sons. With the pending hopes that Corax will hold true to his promise to return.
As for my Death Watch Co. they will gladly accept these new brothers to bolster their dwindling numbers in the fight against the Xenos.

Hard to say with us Space Wolves.... I mean we have a crazy gene issue, however we could probably use the boost with Fenris being decimated(not destroyed, why do people keep saying that.). I can see them getting utilized, but I doubt Logan wants em. Also I wonder if they will even be offered being as everyone knows about our wolf now. We are just going to have to wolf some wolfs in order to wolf the wolf and defend the wolf. The wolftime is here and nothing matters because Russ will be coming to wolf some wolfs and set some wolfs straight.

 Books wrote:
Hard to say with us Space Wolves.... I mean we have a crazy gene issue, however we could probably use the boost with Fenris being decimated(not destroyed, why do people keep saying that.). I can see them getting utilized, but I doubt Logan wants em. Also I wonder if they will even be offered being as everyone knows about our wolf now. We are just going to have to wolf some wolfs in order to wolf the wolf and defend the wolf. The wolftime is here and nothing matters because Russ will be coming to wolf some wolfs and set some wolfs straight.

Considering the models come with Space Wolves markings, and they've shown them in Space Wolves colors. I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that Guilliman does infact give them to the Wolves and that Logan accepts them.

Like they always have...shoot them while summoning demons.

My Iron Warriors will despise them. They view it as the ultimate insult to the space marine as well as vindication for betraying the imperium. The terminator cohort will go stupidly out of their way to kill them sometimes to tactical detriment. They are unworthy mutants spawned from the diluted bloodline of greater heroes. In short they'll react as spiteful as only Iton Warriors can be.

My Chapter doesn't need anymore near-Primarch sized dudes in it.

BrianDavion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 anyname121 wrote:
I'm tempted to paint them Blood Ravens, and I think they'll rather enjoy some traceable lineage. We know where these guys came from! Wooh!

Have you decided which Chapter the Blood Ravens stole their new Primaris marines from?

As someone whom is painting his Primaris Blood Ravens, I intend to just shrug and say "well you know, a gift" whenever I'm asked

The Battle Barge will have a big timeline poster of knowing where they're from. "Praise the emperor! We have some history to teach the new recruits.
And they stole one from every chapter like a buffet with guns.

My Astral Claws never needed to see their breed relegated to second-class super-soldiers. My Red Corsairs, however, will probably have no particular qualms shanghaiing marines, regardless of the size.

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 Nova_Impero wrote:
My Grey Knights wouldn't care or need them, but my Iron Hands would think differently.

Interesting. Do you think the Iron Hands as a whole would be willing to accept the Primaris Marines? Do you think the Iron Hand Primaris marines would modify themselves as the current ones do or do you think the addition of the Primaris might be the change in direction that the Iron Hands need?

I would think they would be interested in the new equipment that they bring at least. Considering they have grav tanks and new armor, and other things. I can see them being seen as weak and the Primaris would have to prove themselves.

Azrael: Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but that shipment of Girly.. I mean, Primaris Marines we didn't request was lost in an unfortunate accident.
Girlyman: No problems, I'll send more!
Azrael: I'm sure there are many other chapters that need them more than we do. Please look after them instead.
Girlyman: It's no problem. I've got thousands of them to get rid of. The damn things grow on trees. <muffled voice as if hand was placed over vox unit> What to you mean that's a trade secret? Too late now. Thaw out another company and send them to the Dark Angels, ASAP. <normal voice again> They're on their way. I've got to run, toodles!

Sometime later...
Azrael: Girlyman, you'll never believe this, but there's been a problem with that new batch of primaris you sent me. They all chose fish for the in-flight meal. Looks like they're fatally allergic.
Girlyman: Cawl! Check the Dark Angel geneseed again. (unintelligible voice in background) They're allergic to fish. (unintelligible) Are you sure? Azrael, Cawl says marines don't have allergies. Are you sure it was the fish?
Azrael: Got to run. Toodles!



The Dark Angels have trust issues, even within their own ranks. I'm pretty sure they would never accept marines that weren't created and indoctrinated in house. My DA army is already big enough that I don't see the need to add Girly marines.

I'll probably still buy the box and add them to my (vanilla codex) Purple Death chapter, since that will gel with the fluff of them being close to wiped out and rebuilding their strength. Lots of scouts and primaris marines.

My chapter has been engaged in a long, drawn out conflict with Tyranids after losing their homeworld. Now being primarily fleet based, they lack certain facilities for hardware and materiel, which has in turn emphasised modularity of their vehicle fleet. Given that the primaris marines cant use any of the traditional vehicles, they complicate logistics unessesarily. Thats one point against them.

Second, their increased size is seen as a hinderance in boarding operations vs. The tight confines of the Tyranid vessels that we're in continuous contact with. The chapter is much more comfortable with leaving Terminators as the largest members of a boarding party, due to the better armor protection, and greater compatability with teleportation.

Third, rumors that the primaris marines might be less stable than standard marines has not been encouraging.

So while the Stratohammers are codex adherent and founded upon Ultramarine seed and tradition, they are currently not seeking the inclusion of any primaris marines, and comfortable with their current recruitment and deployment methods.

I do love all of the original legion marine players thinking that their chapter wont take in Primus.. when it has been established that they all have =D

GodDamUser wrote:
I do love all of the original legion marine players thinking that their chapter wont take in Primus.. when it has been established that they all have =D

yup, we know FOR A FACT space wolf and dark angel primaris marines exist.

When 6, no, 10 BA chapter masters fall in as many minutes.
I doubt they have the bodies to say no.
I dunno why Cawl doesnt just clone Guilliman 50 times.
Sorry khaos, theres a Guilliman in this sector, you auto lose.
Orks you say, Pfft Blue is better than red, oh theres a gulliman here as well. Gnashing of ork teef.
Eldar turn up to a maiden world. WTF is that blueberry. I dont think Yavraine thought this through.

the ancient wrote:
When 6, no, 10 BA chapter masters fall in as many minutes.
I doubt they have the bodies to say no.
I dunno why Cawl doesnt just clone Guilliman 50 times.
Sorry khaos, theres a Guilliman in this sector, you auto lose.
Orks you say, Pfft Blue is better than red, oh theres a gulliman here as well. Gnashing of ork teef.
Eldar turn up to a maiden world. WTF is that blueberry. I dont think Yavraine thought this through.

You actually make a good point. Why wouldn't you just mass clone the Smurfmaster, or the SpAzzEmprah for that matter? Or even better dig up the best naval officers and Solar Macharius and go to town? We know they have the cloning technology ( remember the Imperial Guard clone troops?)

I'm probably going to restart my Mantis Warriors - I figure they would absolutely love an influx of super troopers.

However, I was also considering starting up an army based on a force that has been wiped out - like the Shadow Wolves - and just doing all Primaris.

They won't be accepting any Primaris Marines and consider Cawl and Girlyman heretics.

 Nova_Impero wrote:
My Grey Knights wouldn't care or need them, but my Iron Hands would think differently.

Technically greyknight geenseed is stright from Big E - so - It is probably regarded as better anyways.


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pm713 wrote:
They won't be accepting any Primaris Marines and consider Cawl and Girlyman heretics.

I think your chapter might be getting a visit from the inquisition quite soon then. Guiliman is the highlord of Terra.

 Xenomancers wrote:

I think your chapter might be getting a visit from the inquisition quite soon then. Guiliman is the highlord of Terra.

Why? The Inquisition doesn't answer to the High Lords of Terra, and the Astartes are largely autonomous anyways. It might be suspicious to turn down reinforcements, but there are probably plenty of Inquisitors that view Guilliman himself with suspicion right now as well.

My chapter, 000111010101010010101, would accept this gift, if they had the ability to do so. But, having lost their minds many years ago when they accepted experimental armor from a rogue element within the mechanicus that subsequently turned them into little more than servitors, they are not in a position to make a decision on their own. The techpriests "accompanying them for the purpose of refitting their war machines," on the other hand, gladly accept primaris marines...provided they add an...upgrade...to their power armor. Cogs for the Cog God!

Actually, I made that all up.

 Orblivion wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

I think your chapter might be getting a visit from the inquisition quite soon then. Guiliman is the highlord of Terra.

Why? The Inquisition doesn't answer to the High Lords of Terra, and the Astartes are largely autonomous anyways. It might be suspicious to turn down reinforcements, but there are probably plenty of Inquisitors that view Guilliman himself with suspicion right now as well.

I imagine chapters that take a hard line on Primaris Marines would be watched for trouble though.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Nova_Impero wrote:

pm713 wrote:
They won't be accepting any Primaris Marines and consider Cawl and Girlyman heretics.

I think your chapter might be getting a visit from the inquisition quite soon then. Guiliman is the highlord of Terra.

They're Renegades so the Inquisition aren't going to like them anyway.

The Space Wolves and Blood Angels are nearly extinct, clearly they are going to turn down those Primaris reinforcements! The Black Templar, who lost two crusades in two Gathering Storm books, would never take reinforcements delivered by a son of the Emperor, brother of their Father, and High Lord of Terra. The Imperial Fists, who wasted much of their strength in Cadia and crusading, definitely would refuse Guilliman's pet project!

Lol. Get real.

You do know most of this is personal headcanon based on how we build our own armies, right?

If you are collecting a successor chapter, they can react however you want.

If You are playing a well established chapter, who in the fluff has both no reason to decline and has already accepted, saying that the Space Wolves (for example), who've been essentially annihilated, turn the Primaris and Guilliman down is laughable.

Just because I don't like whirlwinds doesn't mean the Ultramarines don't have any, or don't use them.

I WANT THE FLUFF TO CONTINUE BUT FOLLOWING MY HEAD CANNON!!!

I would say maybe for a custom chapter but for an official, no.

I checked out the white dwarf at the local GW today and they showed an example blood raven and black templar Primaris Marine, so we know those chapters have them

My Alpha Legion will be very curious about exactly how the Imperium suddenly got a hold of this tech, and will be asking Fabius some very thorough questions.

Secondly, spreading propaganda about how these are just psycho-indocrinated, gene-seed tampered Ultramarines loyal to Guilliman and no-one else. How else would you explain the sudden curing of the Canis Helix, Red Thirst, Black Rage, and Bathrobes, and their exclusively Guilliman-approved training?

I mean, wasn't this exactly why the Codex Astartes was implemented in the first place? But noooooo, not if Guilliman's the one in charge! The High Secretary hasn't ever done anything wrong! He's not even mislaid a paperclip in his life - his pens are organised alphabetically, his shampoos by fabrication date, and his fridge contents by colour.

I feel like everyone is working from a fluff assumption that Guilliman is defrosting these guys off by the thousands and air mailing clone armies to the existing chapters, like the end of Star Wars: Attack of the Clones.

Is it not still canonical that existing marines can be upgraded to Primaris?

Because, while I can't see Primaris Dark Angels being accepted outside of line combat units, I can entirely see the inner circle deciding some of their own elite number should become elevated to Primaris. I can imagine Inceptors in Ravenwing colors, piloted by centuries old veterans who are still healing from the implantation and bone growth necessary for the process, swooping on suspected fallen positions from orbit.

Blood Angels are trickier - that's the chapter I actually play these days, and we know they got half eaten by Tyranids. Their numbers are badly depleted, they'll want to rebuild... Is it okay if I imagine the survivors being upgraded to shoal up their scant numbers for a time, and teaming them up with a larger volume of scouts to reflect the new recruiting?

I feel like, for everyone, where this thing falls apart is when you say "They made these guys from your primarchs gene seed, but they don't know your chapter, they've never set foot on your homeworld, they have no history with the command structure, they didn't prove themselves to the recruiting officers, they don't share your culture... So, here's hundreds of them! Make them feel at home!" It feels like deploying a company of Ultramarines to the Space Wolves, and saying "Here, give them a mohawk or a dog tail or something. Bye!"

At the very least, I'll have to imagine the Captains and officers are OG Blood Angels, upgraded, there to guide and watch over the green recruits who's combat experience amounts to "was built on Mars at coincidentally the exact same time the Ultramarine's Primarch woke up and decided to use us."

I'm kind of pleased on a personal level I don't love the Primaris marines, they look good but I really don't want them in my army or for an army which is great considering my current army is the Minotaurs, attack dogs of the High Lords of Terra! always looking to prove themselves against greater foes, the Primaris will be a great reason to lay some smack down! not to mention Lord Asterion is already bigger than those little guys! ;-) the story arc between the High Lords and the Minotaurs could really expand into the wider universe if it gets deeper into the secrets.