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**Galas**

I'm not agains't Skitarii HQ's, or they having special rules fo the Skitarii troops. But they don't need a separate codex to all of that. But again, I'm totally agaisn't the division of a proper faction codex in a thousand subfactions mini-codex ,at least not until those factions have their own weight to ammerit a codex, like Space Wolves vs Black Templars.

**Kanluwen**

Galas wrote:
I'm not agains't Skitarii HQ's, or they having special rules fo the Skitarii troops. But they don't need a separate codex to all of that.

Actually, they did need a "separate codex for all of that". Because that's how codices work. It was always the case before that "Codex=Army".

But again, I'm totally agaisn't the division of a proper faction codex in a thousand subfactions mini-codex ,at least not until those factions have their own weight to ammerit a codex, like Space Wolves vs Black Templars.

This is a nonsense statement.

**Alpharius**

Back on topic here, please.

Feel free, of course, to debate the finer points of Skitarii/AM codex placement in a spearate thread.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Kanluwen wrote:
Galas wrote:

Yeah, the Mass Effect Harvinger rippoff that existed only since... the 7th edition codex. Not a great loss, really. It isn't like they can't make that again when they release a Adeptus Mechanicus Codex.

Spoiler:

Damm Tyranid corrupted Mechanicus and Skitarii!

Find me an official Codex: Skitarii that existed before 7th edition.

And since the Skitarii got their own section in the Adeptus Mechanicus part of Index Imperium 2, yet were specifically denied their Doctrina Imperatives...

Thargrim wrote:The skitarii and cult mechanicus being merged is kind of understandable cause the skitarii didn't really have an HQ, or any bizarre units.

So? Shadowseers and Troupe Masters weren't HQs for Harlequins before.

Harlequins and Skitarii both had HQ-less lists. It would have taken literally nothing for them to add in a Skitarii HQ option built using the standard boxes.

I don't think much was gained fluff wise in keeping them seperate though. Those books were average in terms of art and fluff imo.

There was plenty gained fluff-wise in keeping them separated. One was the lunatic fringe with devoted hymnals(Canticles of the Omnissiah) giving them power and strength.
The other was the regimented, militarized side of the Cult Mechanicus which could have their "safety limitations" overridden by a Priest who wasn't exposed to dangers(Doctrina Imperatives granting both benefits AND downsides).

Additionally, for whatever reason we lost our 2W Alphas. Which is just dumb.

Those "safety limitations" just increased BS and WS by various amounts.

**insaniak**

Kanluwen wrote:
It was always the case before that "Codex=Army".

Not really. We've had codexes before that had different subfaction army lists in the back. We've had codexes where selecting certain characters changed the army. There's nothing inherent in having access to a certain special rule that requires them to be in a separate book.

**Warhams-77**

Hints in Guy Haley's Dark Imperium novel posted ~2 weeks ago on Bolter&Chainsword

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334251-dark-imperium-spoilersplot-summary-read-along/

Boldthreat - B&C Forum

Aggressors - Gravis clad warriors with shoulder mounted missile launchers and flame gauntlets.

Reivers - Armor that is adapted for stealth. Death's Head masks and a extra large left pauldron. Heavy Bolt Pistol and an extra large combat knife with a disruptor field. Infiltration and close combat specialists.

The new vehicle mentioned is the Overlord. It is described as being similar to the Corvus Blackstars of the Deathwatch.

I enjoyed the Orbital Drop of the Inceptors and the follow on Orbital Drop from the Repulsors on Raukus. Makes me wonder if the new tank will have some kind of deep-strike mechanic.

The Psycho - B&C

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First out were the Primaris Aggressors. They wore battleplate of a similar type to Felix’s, but more massively armoured: the Gravis class. Before they had exited the troop bay, missiles shot from their shoulder-mounted racks, their exhaust filling the craft’s troop compartments.

New equivalent to the Devestators, in Gravis armor with shoulder mounted missile racks (Cyclone missile launchers?)

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The Overlord shook. Its armour was massively thick, and its engines prodigiously powerful. The new craft made Thunderhawks look like toys. As with so much the primarch had commissioned, the Overlord hearkened back to older designs of insertion craft, improved by the boundless creativity of Belisarius Cawl.

Possibly the plastic Thunderhawk that's been mentioned by Hastings in the past? I dunno.

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He glanced at his concilia psykana, several Space Marine and Primaris Librarians stationed close at hand.

And confirmation of Primaris Librarians.

**Ragnar69**

As all chapters can use Primaris, I think it's a safe bet that they wil receive their own codex. Else you would have to re-print all of their rules in 4 different marine dexes.
Unless SW or BA Primaris get different rules/units...

**casvalremdeikun**

Ragnar69 wrote:
As all chapters can use Primaris, I think it's a safe bet that they wil receive their own codex. Else you would have to re-print all of their rules in 4 different marine dexes.
Unless SW or BA Primaris get different rules/units...

Not all chapters use them. And all SM use Rhinos, Land Speeders, and Land Raiders, does that mean they should be in a separate book called Vehicles of the Astartes?

**Calistro**

So from all the new units we are aware of Primaris wise, what will we be getting in July?

Codex Primaris/ or included with Space marines, and on that would Roboute Guilliman really be in the Primaris codex or both? I'm leaning towards a combined codex I don't think GW will put Guilliman in 2 codices, 3 if you include the indexes, that's why I think it will be a combined, won't be surprised if its individual, just my thoughts.
And for the rest will we get the following +- the items from Dark Imperium?
Captain
Lieutenant
Ancient
Librarian
Apothecary
Redemptor Dreadnought
Repulsor tank
Overload flyer
Aggressors
Reavers
Hellblasters
Intercessors
Inceptors

**Warhams-77**

That's a good summary. Hastings mentioned there would be two vehicles and a flyer. A Repulsor variant? Or even an entirely different chassis?

And the info on the Overlord gunships has been conflicting, I do not have a copy to verify either way, but GH's DI seems to imply that the Overlord dropship is much bigger than a Thunderhawk which makes it unlikely we will get a plastic kit for it. I think that flyer kit could be a smaller gunship not mentioned so far, maybe something between a Stormraven and a Thunderhawk?

**BrianDavion**

Warhams-77 wrote:
That's a good summary. Hastings mentioned there would be two vehicles and a flyer. A Repulsor variant? Or even an entirely different chassis?

And the info on the Overlord gunships has been conflicting, I do not have a copy to verify either way, but GH's DI seems to imply that the Overlord dropship is much bigger than a Thunderhawk which makes it unlikely we will get a plastic kit for it. I think that flyer kit could be a smaller gunship not mentioned so far, maybe something between a Stormraven and a Thunderhawk?

the second vehicle would be the Dreadnought. as for the flier we'll have to see DI also noted aanother type of insertion craft for Inceptor Marines, so it's a safe bet that there are a number of support units we may not see outside of fluff,

**Warhams-77**

The Dreadnough is not the second vehicle according to this post

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/warofsigmar/war_of_sigmar_rumors_and_rules_for_age_of_sigmar_4621/#comment-3330122394

**EnTyme**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Ragnar69 wrote:
As all chapters can use Primaris, I think it's a safe bet that they wil receive their own codex. Else you would have to re-print all of their rules in 4 different marine dexes.
Unless SW or BA Primaris get different rules/units...
Not all chapters use them. And all SM use Rhinos, Land Speeders, and Land Raiders, does that mean they should be in a separate book called Vehicles of the Astartes?

Don't give GW any ideas. Seriously, though, for all those worried out "microdexes" becoming a thing, GW has actually reversed that trend in AoS. They combined Khorne and Tzeentch mortals with daemons, and brought all Stormcast chambers back into one battletome with the recent releases. The big question is whether or not the "legacy" elf and death factions will be recombined at some point. If they are, I'll be convinced Primaris will just be a unit choice for different flavors of power armor (which I would prefer).

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

If anyone wants one of the Anniversary Primaris Captains, I'll be doing a Nerd Relief Run up to Milton Keynes.

As they're being made to order, there's no limit on how many can be ordered by a single geek, so I'm looking at placing a substantial one.

If you want to dodge the Scalper Price, sign up to the FB group in my sig.

Downside? The models aren't release until 2nd September 2017 so there'll be an unavoidable delay in getting you your goodies.

**Bull0**

Are we thinking space marines for tonight's preorder or what? ...because my backlog isn't towering enough already

**casvalremdeikun**

Bull0 wrote:
Are we thinking space marines for tonight's preorder or what? ...because my backlog isn't towering enough already

Doubtful. We would have seen something about it by now. Instead, nothing. My guess would be that we will see July White Dwarf before then.

**Locrian**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Ragnar69 wrote:
As all chapters can use Primaris, I think it's a safe bet that they wil receive their own codex. Else you would have to re-print all of their rules in 4 different marine dexes.
Unless SW or BA Primaris get different rules/units...
Not all chapters use them. And all SM use Rhinos, Land Speeders, and Land Raiders, does that mean they should be in a separate book called Vehicles of the Astartes?

What Chapter doesn't use Primaris?

**NinthMusketeer**

So it occurred to me... if Primaris + Vanilla Marines are all in one codex and GW wants to update just the Primaris marine dataslates, everyone gets to buy a whole new codex.

**casvalremdeikun**

Locrian wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Ragnar69 wrote:
As all chapters can use Primaris, I think it's a safe bet that they wil receive their own codex. Else you would have to re-print all of their rules in 4 different marine dexes.
Unless SW or BA Primaris get different rules/units...
Not all chapters use them. And all SM use Rhinos, Land Speeders, and Land Raiders, does that mean they should be in a separate book called Vehicles of the Astartes?

What Chapter doesn't use Primaris?

No explicitly named Chapters so far, but the fluff in their booklet said that not all chapters have been accepting of the Primaris Marines.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

NinthMusketeer wrote:
So it occurred to me... if Primaris + Vanilla Marines are all in one codex and GW wants to update just the Primaris marine dataslates, everyone gets to buy a whole new codex.

What's your point? That is true of every unit in the codex.

**NinthMusketeer**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Locrian wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Ragnar69 wrote:
As all chapters can use Primaris, I think it's a safe bet that they wil receive their own codex. Else you would have to re-print all of their rules in 4 different marine dexes.
Unless SW or BA Primaris get different rules/units...
Not all chapters use them. And all SM use Rhinos, Land Speeders, and Land Raiders, does that mean they should be in a separate book called Vehicles of the Astartes?

What Chapter doesn't use Primaris?
No explicitly named Chapters so far, but the fluff in their booklet said that not all chapters have been accepting of the Primaris Marines.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

NinthMusketeer wrote:
So it occurred to me... if Primaris + Vanilla Marines are all in one codex and GW wants to update just the Primaris marine dataslates, everyone gets to buy a whole new codex.
What's your point? That is true of every unit in the codex.

If the Primaris and Vanilla marines have their own codex and GW wants to update the primaris marine dataslates, only players utilizing primaris marines have to buy a new codex that is cheaper than a combined one would be. As opposed to every marine player of any type needing to buy a new codex at price 2X, only primaris players need to buy a new codex at price 1X.

**Ghaz**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Locrian wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Ragnar69 wrote:
As all chapters can use Primaris, I think it's a safe bet that they wil receive their own codex. Else you would have to re-print all of their rules in 4 different marine dexes.
Unless SW or BA Primaris get different rules/units...
Not all chapters use them. And all SM use Rhinos, Land Speeders, and Land Raiders, does that mean they should be in a separate book called Vehicles of the Astartes?

What Chapter doesn't use Primaris?
No explicitly named Chapters so far, but the fluff in their booklet said that not all chapters have been accepting of the Primaris Marines.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

NinthMusketeer wrote:
So it occurred to me... if Primaris + Vanilla Marines are all in one codex and GW wants to update just the Primaris marine dataslates, everyone gets to buy a whole new codex.
What's your point? That is true of every unit in the codex.

If the Primaris and Vanilla marines have their own codex and GW wants to update the primaris marine dataslates, only players utilizing primaris marines have to buy a new codex that is cheaper than a combined one would be. As opposed to every marine player of any type needing to buy a new codex at price 2X, only primaris players need to buy a new codex at price 1X.

We've seen GW combining AoS Battletomes with Disciples of Tzeentch, Blades of Khorne and the current Stormcast Eternals book.

**GoatboyBeta**

Redemptor size comparison on War of Sigmar https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2186. Fingers crossed for a Venerable dread style head option on this guy.

**casvalremdeikun**

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Redemptor size comparison on War of Sigmar https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2186. Fingers crossed for a Venerable dread style head option on this guy.

There were rumors of different sarcophagus types being in the kit. Agreed on fingers crossed, though. I definitely want to give my Redemptor actual heads.

**EnTyme**

Ghaz wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Locrian wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Ragnar69 wrote:
As all chapters can use Primaris, I think it's a safe bet that they wil receive their own codex. Else you would have to re-print all of their rules in 4 different marine dexes.
Unless SW or BA Primaris get different rules/units...
Not all chapters use them. And all SM use Rhinos, Land Speeders, and Land Raiders, does that mean they should be in a separate book called Vehicles of the Astartes?

What Chapter doesn't use Primaris?
No explicitly named Chapters so far, but the fluff in their booklet said that not all chapters have been accepting of the Primaris Marines.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

NinthMusketeer wrote:
So it occurred to me... if Primaris + Vanilla Marines are all in one codex and GW wants to update just the Primaris marine dataslates, everyone gets to buy a whole new codex.
What's your point? That is true of every unit in the codex.

If the Primaris and Vanilla marines have their own codex and GW wants to update the primaris marine dataslates, only players utilizing primaris marines have to buy a new codex that is cheaper than a combined one would be. As opposed to every marine player of any type needing to buy a new codex at price 2X, only primaris players need to buy a new codex at price 1X.

We've seen GW combining AoS Battletomes with Disciples of Tzeentch, Blades of Khorne and the current Stormcast Eternals book.

I've been trying to point this out for months. Starting to think people have me on ignore.

**Fenrir Kitsune**

Any word on primaris terminators?

**GoatboyBeta**

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Any word on primaris terminators?

Like most of the range so far there doesn't seem to be a direct Primaris version/replacement of Terminators. The closest seems to be the Agressors, described in the Dark Imperium novel as wearing a version of the Gravis armour with shoulder mounted missile launchers and flamer fists

**NinthMusketeer**

Im talking about the merits/downsides of each approach rather than what I think is likely. If I had to guess Id bet on a Primaris-only codex in the next month or two followed by a Primaris-Vanilla combo dex next year.

**mdauben**

Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I have a question for the people here, I keep hearing about a Primaris Codex.

Could it be that they will just include all of them with vanilla space marines for a normal Space Marine codex?

Pretty much killing 2 birds with 1 stone there. At least that's just my opinion on the matter.

Why should GW sell one book when they could sell two?

**Galas**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
Im talking about the merits/downsides of each approach rather than what I think is likely. If I had to guess Id bet on a Primaris-only codex in the next month or two followed by a Primaris-Vanilla combo dex next year.

But that can be said about everything... why have a Dark Angels Codex when you can split in in Deathwing and Ravenkwing? What if GW wants to change just the datasleets of Deathwing, should players that only play Ravenwing buy a new complete Dark Angels Codex?

**NinthMusketeer**

Its a good point, one I mentioned earlier about both extremes being bad. IMO it comes down to the likelyhood of a player using a sub-faction on its own and the practicality of the book in question. For example, the number of people that mix various dark angels is likely larger than those who run just ravenwing or deathwing, so catering to the majority would mean a united DA codex. Further, the price jump going from theoretical codex deathwing to a full DA one is small enough that the niche players are unlikely to be bothered. But if we go up a step and have a codex: 50 shades of space marine which is the sole source for all space marine armies of any sort then a great deal of DA, GK, Primaris, etc players will begrudge having to pay a significant amount more for content they are not using.