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 Hanskrampf wrote:
So we already know the codex will be incomplete and upcoming Primaris releases won't be included (like the Dread).
So I really wonder... why not push the Marine codex back a bit? They seem to have no problem doing it with Death Guard.

No. We. Don't. The SM Codex will have the rules for the Dread. They were talking specifically about BA and DA in regard to needing the rules included in the box.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
With Primaris on the cover of Space Marines Codex, it's another foreshadow those new models will take over as "space marine" models soon...

Long term maybe. But it wont be this year or next year, its simply too big a chunk of GW's product line for a sudden pull to make any sense. It will be an incremental process at any rate, and even if it starts with this codex release we won't see the vanilla marine lines gone until 2019 at the earliest.

Keep grasping at straws. There is no indication whatsoever that what you are saying is even remotely true.

Wow, I didn't think my speculation would warrant such salt, sorry that comment got under your skin.

It is the repeated posting of your "speculation" as fact that is annoying.

When did you give me such massive control over your mood? i've only mentioned it a handful of times. Tell you what, if I turn out to be wrong and vanilla marines are gone from GWs product line by 2019 I'll give you an apology. If I turn out to be right and GW is still selling vanilla marines in 2019 you can send me an apology. That way we can move on right now.

Thought some leaks for the new Primaris Reivers might be out now too?
Like unit size and some rules?

lost_lilliputian wrote:
Thought some leaks for the new Primaris Reivers might be out now too?
Like unit size and some rules?

It would be nice since they come out a week from Saturday. We only got the rules for the Captain and Librarian on Tuesday of this week.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
So we already know the codex will be incomplete and upcoming Primaris releases won't be included (like the Dread).
So I really wonder... why not push the Marine codex back a bit? They seem to have no problem doing it with Death Guard.

No. We. Don't. The SM Codex will have the rules for the Dread. They were talking specifically about BA and DA in regard to needing the rules included in the box.

Right, my mind replaced index with codex.

Rules for new models not covered in the index (like the upcoming Redemptor Dreadnought)

My bad. Sorry. I'm much more at ease now.

People think that the Vanilla line is going to br gone in two years? Lol. They just got finished updating the Assault Marines and Devastators, they wouldnt have bothered for a three year run, especially since the older kits were still serviceable!

Putting a Primaris on the cover just makes sense, considering their current release is the rest of the Primaris range, the starter set is Primaris, and the first campaign focuses on Guilliman and the Ultramarines, who introduced the Primaris! Especially since more than a few people were betting on this being an exclusively Primaris book - which it isnt, so its a good indication they dont plan on totally phasing out the standard Marines.

The Empire/Free Guild line hasnt been phased out of AoS two years into it. It hasnt received an update, but its still chugging along. which is fine, because the Empire was in the relatively same place as Marines, as far as Fantasy ranges went - almost everything in plastic, except for a small handul of Heroes or special units.

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
So we already know the codex will be incomplete and upcoming Primaris releases won't be included (like the Dread).
So I really wonder... why not push the Marine codex back a bit? They seem to have no problem doing it with Death Guard.

No. We. Don't. The SM Codex will have the rules for the Dread. They were talking specifically about BA and DA in regard to needing the rules included in the box.

Right, my mind replaced index with codex.

Rules for new models not covered in the index (like the upcoming Redemptor Dreadnought)

My bad. Sorry. I'm much more at ease now.

You weren't the only one that made the mistake. It is good that they are doing things this way they are. If I was not getting the C:SM Codex and I played only BA, I would be pissed if I had to way for rules on the Redemptor until my codex hit.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

lost_lilliputian wrote:
Thought some leaks for the new Primaris Reivers might be out now too?
Like unit size and some rules?

It would be nice since they come out a week from Saturday. We only got the rules for the Captain and Librarian on Tuesday of this week.

Oh ok. Just would be handy to know if units are 3 or 5. That will decide how many I order on Saturday

lost_lilliputian wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

lost_lilliputian wrote:
Thought some leaks for the new Primaris Reivers might be out now too?
Like unit size and some rules?

It would be nice since they come out a week from Saturday. We only got the rules for the Captain and Librarian on Tuesday of this week.

Oh ok. Just would be handy to know if units are 3 or 5. That will decide how many I order on Saturday

I agree. I am probably getting two sets of Reivers regardless.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
So we already know the codex will be incomplete and upcoming Primaris releases won't be included (like the Dread).
So I really wonder... why not push the Marine codex back a bit? They seem to have no problem doing it with Death Guard.

No. We. Don't. The SM Codex will have the rules for the Dread. They were talking specifically about BA and DA in regard to needing the rules included in the box.

Right, my mind replaced index with codex.

Rules for new models not covered in the index (like the upcoming Redemptor Dreadnought)

My bad. Sorry. I'm much more at ease now.

You weren't the only one that made the mistake. It is good that they are doing things this way they are. If I was not getting the C:SM Codex and I played only BA, I would be pissed if I had to way for rules on the Redemptor until my codex hit.

Honestly, I am MUCH more comfortable standard Marines aren't going to be phased out anytime soon.

If GW wanted to phase out old school Marines, we'd get "codex Primaris Marines" and standard space Marines would be left with the index. this would result in a gradual shift over to Primaris Marines. by most players

Primaris marines are Space Marines, of course they are in the same book. GW has stated so many times now that they are not replacing anything, and I believe them.

However, I don't think we will see any new "standard" Marine releases for a while, or even ever. They have so many kits out already, so I'm guessing they will keep releasing Primaris kits to fill the gaps, but not necessarily taking the place of existing units. I wouldn't say that Intercessors take the place of tactical squads for example. They are two different units that work differently.

I am also having a hard time imagining a Primaris replacement for Stormtalons/hawks, Predators or other tanks. Sure, they are getting the Repulsor, but that seems to be filling a heavy transport slot, that only really the Land Raider has been in before.

I think people need to stop worrying about the Primaris replacing the standard Marines, and start being more excited on the new stuff they will bring, and the possibilities they open up.

I mean, you can hate the fluff all you want, but a cool kit is a cool kit, and if it fills a battlefield role that the marines have been missing until now, isn't that great?

To prevent an 'index situation' with the models, just wait until the multipart kits have arrived in about 3-5 weeks and don't buy those 3-fig monopose kits. This is not a rumor. Just a reminder that we haven't seen every new SM unit yet - and far from every kit that will come out for them

ohh I agree, I never belived Primaris Marines where going to replace them, but if that was the intent, a "Primaris Marines" codex would have been a pretty clear statement of intent.

Warhams-77 wrote:
To prevent an 'index situation' with the models, just wait until the multipart kits have arrived in about 3-5 weeks and don't buy those 3-fig monopose kits. This is not a rumor. Just a reminder that we haven't seen every new SM unit yet - and far from every kit that will come out for them

We haven't seen every new unit?
Any more info what we are getting aside from Repulsor, Dread, Reivers, multipart Intercessors, multipart Hellblasters, multipart Interceptors, Apothecary (possibly with med servitors), Chaplain?

There's mention of a flyer in the novel, and there's been rumours (from Atia among others I believe?) saying there's a flyer model (almost for sure the one mentioned in the novel).

What was the release schedule for the kharadron overlords like?

Its only a theory, but i imagine the primaris release will follow a similar pattern in terms of no. of units released and time between releases.

If i remember correctly they basically released an entire army in less than 2 months right? So releasing a lot of units to go alongside the codex would not be entirely unlikely.

Im gonna guess that we get Codex:SM at the very end of july, followed by a full primaris release over august. Then chaos and grey knights side by side in smaller release with possibly one or two models (to give a production break). Then repeat the whole process for death guard.

Hang on, so the Marine Codex won't have new Primaris units in it (Super-Dread, Gunz'O'Plenty Hover Tank, etc.)?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hang on, so the Marine Codex won't have new Primaris units in it (Super-Dread, Gunz'O'Plenty Hover Tank, etc.)?

No it'll almsot certainly have all those units in it.

Ok. Would'a been weird if it didn't. I guess they're all coming out in August then. Looking forward to the Super-Dread. Very cool mini.

It honestly surprised me that the Primaris are included in the regular SM codex. The keyword system would allow separate regular and Primaris SM books to work together with no problems if the player wanted to mix them. If the Primaris get even half the attention that regular SM have had, how long until we are looking at a 2nd large codex or a codex supplement?

 Hanskrampf wrote:
We haven't seen every new unit?

Any more info what we are getting aside from Repulsor, Dread, Reivers, multipart Intercessors, multipart Hellblasters, multipart Interceptors, Apothecary (possibly with med servitors), Chaplain?

The missile launcher and flamer glove-equipped Gravis-armour unit called Aggressors has not been announced or leaked yet. Also there seems to be variants or at least different weapon loadouts for some of the units, like the Repulsor tank

Warhams-77 wrote:
I have no idea how reliable the source is but here are some new rumors

Harvarn - B&C

The other day I got a sneak preview of some primaris models that are not out yet. Cant share the photos but this is basically legit.. was a quick glance but this is what I saw 
 
- Primaris Apothecary 
- Interceptor Squad with what looks like short range dual plasma cannons
- A second variant of the hover tank which had weapon sponsons where the doors are on the side
- and a new unit which looks like a cross between a Primaris marine and a centurion it had those new missile packs you see on the tank and dreadnought but on the shoulders of the new unit like how typhoon missile launchers are on terminators. They were carrying heavy weapons I assume its their version of a dev squad.
- Bolter Reivers which actually look really really cool.
 
Dunno of anyone else have seen them but it seems legit cause it was shot in a photo studio.

just looks like it, it is definitely not a terminator just that it had an exo suit on it esp at the feet.. was referring to its aesthetics more than the suit in a suit kinda thing.
 
The interceptors definitely not carrying pistols it looks huge but stubby

Link http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336063-saw-some-new-unreleased-primaris-models-0-0/

Thanks Warhams!

GoatboyBeta wrote:
It honestly surprised me that the Primaris are included in the regular SM codex. The keyword system would allow separate regular and Primaris SM books to work together with no problems if the player wanted to mix them. If the Primaris get even half the attention that regular SM have had, how long until we are looking at a 2nd large codex or a codex supplement?

They're in the same codex because they are the same army...

They aren't a separate entity. Primaris Marines that are in the Ultramarines Chapter are Ultramarines. Why would they be in a different book? Should Wulfen be in a separate codex from Space Wolves? Death Company from Blood Angels? Because it is the same type of thing.

Harvarn also commented on Triszin's photoshop mockup

Harvarn

Triszin, on 04 Jul 2017 - 01:42 AM, said:

OP was the aggressor like this?

 

The one i saw was just like this but the hands had heavybolters on both hands

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336063-saw-some-new-unreleased-primaris-models-0-0/page-5#entry4807665

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
It honestly surprised me that the Primaris are included in the regular SM codex. The keyword system would allow separate regular and Primaris SM books to work together with no problems if the player wanted to mix them. If the Primaris get even half the attention that regular SM have had, how long until we are looking at a 2nd large codex or a codex supplement?

They're in the same codex because they are the same army...

They aren't a separate entity. Primaris Marines that are in the Ultramarines Chapter are Ultramarines. Why would they be in a different book? Should Wulfen be in a separate codex from Space Wolves? Death Company from Blood Angels? Because it is the same type of thing.

Not trying to say that they are a different force. But if the regular SM range is essentially complete and done(yes its a big if) with GW's future focus for releases being on the Primaris line. A separate Primaris codex would give more room for background and rules for both SM types. 8th editions keyword system and army building rules, along side a regular points review in a generals handbook style release(this is probably what Chapter approved is going to be) would allow both to be fully compatible without having to re-do a large book every few years. The Primaris book would effectively be codex SM Vol2 all the new stuff.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
It honestly surprised me that the Primaris are included in the regular SM codex. The keyword system would allow separate regular and Primaris SM books to work together with no problems if the player wanted to mix them. If the Primaris get even half the attention that regular SM have had, how long until we are looking at a 2nd large codex or a codex supplement?

They're in the same codex because they are the same army...

They aren't a separate entity. Primaris Marines that are in the Ultramarines Chapter are Ultramarines. Why would they be in a different book? Should Wulfen be in a separate codex from Space Wolves? Death Company from Blood Angels? Because it is the same type of thing.

Not trying to say that they are a different force. But if the regular SM range is essentially complete and done(yes its a big if) with GW's future focus for releases being on the Primaris line. A separate Primaris codex would give more room for background and rules for both SM types. 8th editions keyword system and army building rules, along side a regular points review in a generals handbook style release(this is probably what Chapter approved is going to be) would allow both to be fully compatible without having to re-do a large book every few years. The Primaris book would effectively be codex SM Vol2 all the new stuff.

The fact that Primaris Marines are in the same codex with the regular Marines goes to show that the SM Range is far from done. If it was done, they would have just left them in the Index and released Codex: Primaris Marines. But they didn't. They put them together because they are meant to be run as one force.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
It honestly surprised me that the Primaris are included in the regular SM codex. The keyword system would allow separate regular and Primaris SM books to work together with no problems if the player wanted to mix them. If the Primaris get even half the attention that regular SM have had, how long until we are looking at a 2nd large codex or a codex supplement?

They're in the same codex because they are the same army...

They aren't a separate entity. Primaris Marines that are in the Ultramarines Chapter are Ultramarines. Why would they be in a different book? Should Wulfen be in a separate codex from Space Wolves? Death Company from Blood Angels? Because it is the same type of thing.

Not trying to say that they are a different force. But if the regular SM range is essentially complete and done(yes its a big if) with GW's future focus for releases being on the Primaris line. A separate Primaris codex would give more room for background and rules for both SM types. 8th editions keyword system and army building rules, along side a regular points review in a generals handbook style release(this is probably what Chapter approved is going to be) would allow both to be fully compatible without having to re-do a large book every few years. The Primaris book would effectively be codex SM Vol2 all the new stuff.

The fact that Primaris Marines are in the same codex with the regular Marines goes to show that the SM Range is far from done. If it was done, they would have just left them in the Index and released Codex: Primaris Marines. But they didn't. They put them together because they are meant to be run as one force.

everything GW has said and done with Primaris Marines leads me to belvie they are deliberatly trying to send a "... it's cool, we're not phasing out regular marines, they still have a big place" a divided codex would have likely sent the oppisite message

 Galas wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
There's something that really excites me in that article

as well as previously unexplored groupings like Necron dynasties and Adeptus Mechanicus forge worlds.

Void Dragon and Ad mech necron cults when?!

Hopefully not until long, long after humanity has died out and the earth has been burnt to a cinder by our expanding sun.

If they want to give us "radical" AdMech stuff like Xeno-Hybris? Yeah, cool. But enough with this "your whole favourite faction are double-dupes who exist only because of Just As Planned by ol' Golden Boy and the god of another faction entirely" guff. I want my hubris and ignorance of man creates monstrous dystopian version of transhumanism AdMech back, not Necron Robo-stooges.

Is better than "Nah, you aren't really good guys, you are Eldar creations and space Stalinism!"

Eh? Maybe I'm having a memory fail, but I don't recall anything about the Eldar in the Mechanicus origins, and if you don't like Space Stalinism and being a not-good-exactly-just-not-the-worst guy I think maybe none of the Imperial factions are for you


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 alleus wrote:

I mean, you can hate the fluff all you want, but a cool kit is a cool kit, and if it fills a battlefield role that the marines have been missing until now, isn't that great?

Depends, for me the fluff and the army on the table aren't separate things - I liked SM because they're SM, an elite strike force that conducts brutal shock assaults and decapitation strikes. When I want something different, I go to a different army that better suits that want, I never really felt any need for SM to cover every battlefield role - to my taste they no more need Primaris than they needed their own attack fighters.

I think the Primaris Reivers look stupid. Worse than Wulfen stupid.

Also I hope in Codex SM I hope they fix the whole issue of who can ride in what transport. Ok I can see the Primaris not riding in Rhinos due to size, a bit. However, Primaris not being able to ride in anything a Termi can ride in is dumb. Worst is the Rumored Repulsor tank will not allow Std Marines to ride in it. I can just see the Primaris guys at the door telling Marneus he is too short to ride in their bus.

BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
It honestly surprised me that the Primaris are included in the regular SM codex. The keyword system would allow separate regular and Primaris SM books to work together with no problems if the player wanted to mix them. If the Primaris get even half the attention that regular SM have had, how long until we are looking at a 2nd large codex or a codex supplement?

They're in the same codex because they are the same army...

They aren't a separate entity. Primaris Marines that are in the Ultramarines Chapter are Ultramarines. Why would they be in a different book? Should Wulfen be in a separate codex from Space Wolves? Death Company from Blood Angels? Because it is the same type of thing.

Not trying to say that they are a different force. But if the regular SM range is essentially complete and done(yes its a big if) with GW's future focus for releases being on the Primaris line. A separate Primaris codex would give more room for background and rules for both SM types. 8th editions keyword system and army building rules, along side a regular points review in a generals handbook style release(this is probably what Chapter approved is going to be) would allow both to be fully compatible without having to re-do a large book every few years. The Primaris book would effectively be codex SM Vol2 all the new stuff.

The fact that Primaris Marines are in the same codex with the regular Marines goes to show that the SM Range is far from done. If it was done, they would have just left them in the Index and released Codex: Primaris Marines. But they didn't. They put them together because they are meant to be run as one force.

everything GW has said and done with Primaris Marines leads me to belvie they are deliberatly trying to send a "... it's cool, we're not phasing out regular marines, they still have a big place" a divided codex would have likely sent the oppisite message

Also - Yay!! Only one book to collect. Bearing in mind we will probably be getting a SW, DA, BA etc codex as well as Vanilla/Blue Marines + Primaris, I'm really pleased Primaris is NOT separate. People making "sigh, it could have been two books" type noises, please don't encourage GW to print even more £30+ books that we need to play this game.

I get that for some people the books are a huge part of the hobby, the same way that some people enjoy other aspects the most, like painting or converting over actually playing the game, but I can't understand anyone wanting this to be two codexes (codices?) as well as all the other stuff we are investing as part of 8th.