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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 12:51:58
Subject: Re:Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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I would be 100% fine to have Chapter Tactics be an always on ability that costs one Command Point. That way they still have a price.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 12:52:31
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
Surfing the Tervigon Wave...on a baby.
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Mr Morden wrote:
Its a Power Boost - Agreed?
Its Free? Agreed
Its a problem.
We don't even know that you need to go "pure" its just a free power boost to those units with that specific Chapter Tactics.
Yes we knew it was coming - no that does not make it less of an issue. Again if some armies get free stuff and others have to wait or in fact never get it- well that speaks volumes about both game balance and the people who welcome their free boosts.
It's a Power Boost - but no more than those that already exist for Ad-Mech (Canticles), Sisters of Battle (Acts of Faith), Daemons (the God specific abilities) or Tyranids (Synapse). It also has limitations on what it can affect - no vehicles for example.
It's Free - incorrect. It will not only have List Building restrictions (similar to ad-mech Canticles) but may even have further restrictions - Ultramarines might not be able to take certain unit types.
That isn't an unknown - that's a precedent. AoS has similar precedents for their Faction bonuses in army construction and Ad-Mech are an EXISTING example of a Detachment based restriction to benefit from a special rule.
You are literally throwing the teddy out of the pram over an equivalent army special rule that we KNOW (from AoS and from other armies that already have restrictions) will have restrictions in order to utilise it. You're trying to ramp up the Hyperbole-Train and compare what was essentually the army special rule (which no one had problems with in 7th) to the formation bonuses (where free units WERE the main problem).
If something this small is so gamebreaking for you then...might I suggest you go all the way back to the 3rd ed rulebook lists and play that? You don't even have to come to these forums anymore. Go play Blandhammer. It'll be fun.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 12:57:21
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Mighty Vampire Count
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DarkStarSabre wrote: Mr Morden wrote:
Its a Power Boost - Agreed?
Its Free? Agreed
Its a problem.
We don't even know that you need to go "pure" its just a free power boost to those units with that specific Chapter Tactics.
Yes we knew it was coming - no that does not make it less of an issue. Again if some armies get free stuff and others have to wait or in fact never get it- well that speaks volumes about both game balance and the people who welcome their free boosts.
It's a Power Boost - but no more than those that already exist for Ad-Mech (Canticles), Sisters of Battle (Acts of Faith), Daemons (the God specific abilities) or Tyranids (Synapse). It also has limitations on what it can affect - no vehicles for example.
It's Free - incorrect. It will not only have List Building restrictions (similar to ad-mech Canticles) but may even have further restrictions - Ultramarines might not be able to take certain abilities.
That isn't an unknown - that's a precedent. AoS has similar precedents for their Faction bonuses in army construction and Ad-Mech are an EXISTING example of a Detachment based restriction to benefit from a special rule.
You are literally throwing the teddy out of the pram over an equivalent army special rule that we KNOW (from AoS and from other armies that already have restrictions) will have restrictions in order to utilise it. You're trying to ramp up the Hyperbole-Train and compare what was essentually the army special rule (which no one had problems with in 7th) to the formation bonuses (where free units WERE the main problem).
If something this small is so gamebreaking for you then...might I suggest you go all the way back to the 3rd ed rulebook lists and play that? You don't even have to come to these forums anymore. Go play Blandhammer. It'll be fun.
What Restrictions have been defined by GW thus far other than that specific models get the FREE boost
Ah right so Space Marines have no Special Rules of their own - I think they do - so lets not compare apples with oranges ok? or do you feel as seems likely that those factions you named should not have the equivalent of Chapter Tactics as they are not Marines  .
Perhaps I am concerned by Codex Creep and don't want to play another game but 8th ed as I like it far more - and I certainly don't need people like you to tell me what to do - guess you are just happy with your free power boost. I am sure you will be happier when the game is just different coloured Marines - but I like to play other armies than just my own marine armies.
Funny I bet if had been Tau or Eldar or similar who get this kind of boost FOR NOTHING then the reaction would be different.
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 12:58:43
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I don't see that restriction?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 13:01:36
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
Surfing the Tervigon Wave...on a baby.
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Read the article then.
"...like all Chapter Tactics, this will apply to your Infantry, Bikers and Dreadnoughts. "
We even had a conversation a few posts up with an Iron Hands player pointing out that there's likely a change the IH chapter tactic has an exemption in place for vehicles as they generally do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 13:05:46
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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DarkStarSabre wrote:
Read the article then.
"...like all Chapter Tactics, this will apply to your Infantry, Bikers and Dreadnoughts. "
We even had a conversation a few posts up with an Iron Hands player pointing out that there's likely a change the IH chapter tactic has an exemption in place for vehicles as they generally do.
Hmm, well, it does throw you a bit when the screencap of the rule itself mentions no such thing, so either the article write goofed or they snagged an old version?
Oh ok. "Like all chapter tactics". Interesting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 13:15:02
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
Surfing the Tervigon Wave...on a baby.
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Mr Morden wrote:
What Restrictions have been defined by GW thus far other than that specific models get the FREE boost
What do you mean? Do you mean as in the Ad-Mech Canticles rules where all units in the detachment must be Ad-Mech only to benefit from them - i.e. a non-Ad-Mech unit such as an Inquisitor would nuke the rule for the whole detachment?
Or do you mean the AoS precedent where the entire army is required to be Faction X and have the keywords X, Y and Z?
Hell, are you trying to state that only allowing certain models with Keyword X to get the benefit of the rule ISN'T a restriction? I mean, you can't say it isn't. Because that sure as hell is. If your buffs only affect X and not Y or Z then you're being restricted there.
Ah right so Space Marines have no Special Rules of their own - I think they do - so lets not compare apples with oranges ok? or do you feel as seems likely that those factions you named should not have the equivalent of Chapter Tactics as they are not Marines  .
Ah the facepalm, even when GW have stated that their respective Codexes will have Order rules, Hive Fleet rules etc etc. However, in comparison SM have very little in the terms of bonus rules - they are a very bland army. This could well be intentional due to the SM book generaly being one of the first to be released. Almost like they knew they were going to be able to up their ante a little in the coming months. Almost like they have a design and release schedule. That's a shocker.
Perhaps I am concerned by Codex Creep and don't want to play another game but 8th ed as I like it far more - and I certainly don't need people like you to tell me what to do - guess you are just happy with your free power boost. I am sure you will be happier when the game is just different coloured Marines - but I like to play other armies than just my own marine armies.
Have I told you what to do? No, I have not. I have however pointed out that you are literally flipping the table over a miniscule buff. You're harping on about Codex Creep when you haven't even seen the Codex. You're harping on about the END OF GAME BALANCE AS WE KNOW IT over an ability that lets certain units fall back and shoot. Did you not realise how much of the SM army already had pistols and could shoot you anyway? This just offers a different approach beyond push models over table, roll dice, shout WAAAAGH like you're 12 years old at a Games Day and not have any plans for strategy. Heaven forbid they actually want to give some flavour back to these armies.
But hey, nice assuming I'm a SM player and not a CSM player who literally sat through 2 editions with a sub-par potato army waiting for some individuality...which I had for a fleeting 6 months.
Wait, no, I get it.
ANOTHER DAMN SISTERS PLAYER CRYING THAT IT'S MARINES GETTING SOMETHING SHINY.
Funny I bet if had been Tau or Eldar or similar who get this kind of boost FOR NOTHING then the reaction would be different.
You mean if Tau got Sept rules, each sept could only take certain types of units, the army list was restricted on what they could take and they got a buff for it? I'm all up for that. Same with Craftworld Eldar. Hell, Craftworld Eldar was fluffy and enjoyable before 6th ed dumpstered it.
I bet if Sisters got this kind of boost FOR SOME FORCE BUILDING RESTRICTIONS then the reaction from you would probably me a celebratory goo over half the forum. Automatically Appended Next Post: Daedalus81 wrote:
Hmm, well, it does throw you a bit when the screencap of the rule itself mentions no such thing, so either the article write goofed or they snagged an old version?
Oh ok. "Like all chapter tactics". Interesting.
Or the Chapter Tactics have their own section in the Codex that lists the restrictions and exemptions. That's probably more likely. We're literally seeing a snippet of a page.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 13:16:11
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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Mr Morden wrote:Funny I bet if had been Tau or Eldar or similar who get this kind of boost FOR NOTHING then the reaction would be different.
Tau and Eldar are both going to get it as well when their codex hits.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 13:21:48
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
Surfing the Tervigon Wave...on a baby.
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Iron_Captain wrote: Mr Morden wrote:Funny I bet if had been Tau or Eldar or similar who get this kind of boost FOR NOTHING then the reaction would be different.
Tau and Eldar are both going to get it as well when their codex hits.
Yep.
And personally I look forward to it. Sept rules for Tau - should be interesting. And I hope one of them allows for AM to be taken in detachments as Gu'vesa.
And Eldar of course - Ulthwe could have some restrictions on force construction but give a boost to keyword Warhost units. Biel-Tan could give similar buffs to keyword Aspect Warrior. And Iyanden to keyword Spirit Host. It's fairly straightforward and not too much. And encourages people to build themed lists.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 13:22:18
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Dakka Veteran
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Iron_Captain wrote: Mr Morden wrote:Funny I bet if had been Tau or Eldar or similar who get this kind of boost FOR NOTHING then the reaction would be different.
Tau and Eldar are both going to get it as well when their codex hits. Probably going to get it. I mean, yes, they will get some customisation. But to the same degree and the same power? Probably, but I'm still a bit careful when it comes to GW and them assigning rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 13:23:16
Subject: Re:Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I mean all that chapter tactic does is allow 1 single unit to fall back and shoot at a unit that has charged it with a -1 penalty. You already can fall back from combat and have other units shoot. It just gives a probably depleted unit the opportunity to shoot at a penalty. It is no big deal.
It is pretty clear that creating a unified faction (Ultramarines, for example) will carry inherent bonuses that are offset by a lack of flexibility in unit selection (no non- Ultramarine units). This seems reasonable, as shown by AOS. Just as long as the factional bonuses are well conceived.
They've literally mentioned giving rules to craftworlds, forgeworlds and necron dynasties just as they are for chapters.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 13:23:28
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Mandragola wrote:
The main problem I see with the redemptor is that it looks like it will cost a crap ton of points, without being all that tough.
Thing is, I don't think it will cost crap ton of points, it is power rating 10, same as Ironclad (though Ironclad is overcosted, but still.) Leviatahan is power 16.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 13:23:41
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Slippery Scout Biker
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upgrade a captain to a chapter master for 3 strag points (reroll misses within 6")
its really sad with all the strag options.. to much 7th detachments ending up with auto include so we are back to borring lists.They should have kept it to those in the rulebook
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 13:31:08
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Waaagh! Warbiker
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Mr Morden wrote: DarkStarSabre wrote: Mr Morden wrote:
Its a Power Boost - Agreed?
Its Free? Agreed
Its a problem.
We don't even know that you need to go "pure" its just a free power boost to those units with that specific Chapter Tactics.
Yes we knew it was coming - no that does not make it less of an issue. Again if some armies get free stuff and others have to wait or in fact never get it- well that speaks volumes about both game balance and the people who welcome their free boosts.
It's a Power Boost - but no more than those that already exist for Ad-Mech (Canticles), Sisters of Battle (Acts of Faith), Daemons (the God specific abilities) or Tyranids (Synapse). It also has limitations on what it can affect - no vehicles for example.
It's Free - incorrect. It will not only have List Building restrictions (similar to ad-mech Canticles) but may even have further restrictions - Ultramarines might not be able to take certain abilities.
That isn't an unknown - that's a precedent. AoS has similar precedents for their Faction bonuses in army construction and Ad-Mech are an EXISTING example of a Detachment based restriction to benefit from a special rule.
You are literally throwing the teddy out of the pram over an equivalent army special rule that we KNOW (from AoS and from other armies that already have restrictions) will have restrictions in order to utilise it. You're trying to ramp up the Hyperbole-Train and compare what was essentually the army special rule (which no one had problems with in 7th) to the formation bonuses (where free units WERE the main problem).
If something this small is so gamebreaking for you then...might I suggest you go all the way back to the 3rd ed rulebook lists and play that? You don't even have to come to these forums anymore. Go play Blandhammer. It'll be fun.
What Restrictions have been defined by GW thus far other than that specific models get the FREE boost
Ah right so Space Marines have no Special Rules of their own - I think they do - so lets not compare apples with oranges ok? or do you feel as seems likely that those factions you named should not have the equivalent of Chapter Tactics as they are not Marines  .
Perhaps I am concerned by Codex Creep and don't want to play another game but 8th ed as I like it far more - and I certainly don't need people like you to tell me what to do - guess you are just happy with your free power boost. I am sure you will be happier when the game is just different coloured Marines - but I like to play other armies than just my own marine armies.
Funny I bet if had been Tau or Eldar or similar who get this kind of boost FOR NOTHING then the reaction would be different.
You sound like a child that went to someone else's birthday party and cried because they didn't get a new toy. On top of that, you're complaining that the toy you didn't get, but will shortly, is not as good as the one the birthday boy got. Go sit in the corner and come out when you're ready to act like an adult.
On a related note, I am excited for Chapter Tactics. I hope it isn't just "You get X and Y because you are color Z". The UM tactics reflect their tactical flexibility. My Salamanders would love some sort of resilience increase or something a little more than just flamers and meltas (admittedly I thoroughly enjoyed that in 7th). Maybe a "don't take Morale if you didn't move or are within 3" of an objective". They brought out the basic rules for everything in the indexes. Now it is time to make each Chapter, Legion, Sept, Hive Fleet, Regiment, etc. its own unique army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 13:33:51
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Slippery Scout Biker
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they also get defenders of humanity = Objective secured for troops
one warlord trait is that you get you spent command points back at a 5+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 13:37:00
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Mighty Vampire Count
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DarkStarSabre wrote: Mr Morden wrote:
What Restrictions have been defined by GW thus far other than that specific models get the FREE boost
What do you mean? Do you mean as in the Ad-Mech Canticles rules where all units in the detachment must be Ad-Mech only to benefit from them - i.e. a non-Ad-Mech unit such as an Inquisitor would nuke the rule for the whole detachment?
Or do you mean the AoS precedent where the entire army is required to be Faction X and have the keywords X, Y and Z?
Hell, are you trying to state that only allowing certain models with Keyword X to get the benefit of the rule ISN'T a restriction? I mean, you can't say it isn't. Because that sure as hell is. If your buffs only affect X and not Y or Z then you're being restricted there.
Ah right so Space Marines have no Special Rules of their own - I think they do - so lets not compare apples with oranges ok? or do you feel as seems likely that those factions you named should not have the equivalent of Chapter Tactics as they are not Marines  .
Ah the facepalm, even when GW have stated that their respective Codexes will have Order rules, Hive Fleet rules etc etc. However, in comparison SM have very little in the terms of bonus rules - they are a very bland army. This could well be intentional due to the SM book generaly being one of the first to be released. Almost like they knew they were going to be able to up their ante a little in the coming months. Almost like they have a design and release schedule. That's a shocker.
Perhaps I am concerned by Codex Creep and don't want to play another game but 8th ed as I like it far more - and I certainly don't need people like you to tell me what to do - guess you are just happy with your free power boost. I am sure you will be happier when the game is just different coloured Marines - but I like to play other armies than just my own marine armies.
Have I told you what to do? No, I have not. I have however pointed out that you are literally flipping the table over a miniscule buff. You're harping on about Codex Creep when you haven't even seen the Codex. You're harping on about the END OF GAME BALANCE AS WE KNOW IT over an ability that lets certain units fall back and shoot. Did you not realise how much of the SM army already had pistols and could shoot you anyway? This just offers a different approach beyond push models over table, roll dice, shout WAAAAGH like you're 12 years old at a Games Day and not have any plans for strategy. Heaven forbid they actually want to give some flavour back to these armies.
But hey, nice assuming I'm a SM player and not a CSM player who literally sat through 2 editions with a sub-par potato army waiting for some individuality...which I had for a fleeting 6 months.
Wait, no, I get it.
ANOTHER DAMN SISTERS PLAYER CRYING THAT IT'S MARINES GETTING SOMETHING SHINY.
Funny I bet if had been Tau or Eldar or similar who get this kind of boost FOR NOTHING then the reaction would be different.
You mean if Tau got Sept rules, each sept could only take certain types of units, the army list was restricted on what they could take and they got a buff for it? I'm all up for that. Same with Craftworld Eldar. Hell, Craftworld Eldar was fluffy and enjoyable before 6th ed dumpstered it.
I bet if Sisters got this kind of boost FOR SOME FORCE BUILDING RESTRICTIONS then the reaction from you would probably me a celebratory goo over half the forum.
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Daedalus81 wrote:
Hmm, well, it does throw you a bit when the screencap of the rule itself mentions no such thing, so either the article write goofed or they snagged an old version?
Oh ok. "Like all chapter tactics". Interesting.
Or the Chapter Tactics have their own section in the Codex that lists the restrictions and exemptions. That's probably more likely. We're literally seeing a snippet of a page.
Oh wow - who is throwing their toys out the pram - screaming and shouting ...............re-read your incoherent tantrum rant and let me know.
Yes you DID tell me what to do if I do not like the power creep and I quote might I suggest you go all the way back to the 3rd ed rulebook lists and play that? You don't even have to come to these forums anymore. Go play Blandhammer. It'll be fun
YOU were the one that cried that other factions have special rules and Marines get these Chapter Tactics instead.
Oh and I have three Marine armies as well as Sisters, Dark Eldr and the like so unlike some I don't have a myopic "BOOST MAHH FACTION" view.
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 13:40:40
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Resentful Grot With a Plan
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Just confirmed on Twitch that Intercessors have variable squad size - there is an 8-man squad and a 10-man squad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 13:48:00
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
Surfing the Tervigon Wave...on a baby.
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Mr Morden wrote:
Oh wow - who is throwing their toys out the pram - screaming and shouting ...............re-read your incoherent tantrum rant and let me know.
[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]
Yes you DID tell me what to do if I do not like the power creep and I quote might I suggest you go all the way back to the 3rd ed rulebook lists and play that? You don't even have to come to these forums anymore. Go play Blandhammer. It'll be fun
'Might I suggest.' A suggestion. You are not compelled to follow suggestions. [MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]
YOU were the one that cried that other factions have special rules and Marines get these Chapter Tactics instead.
Incorrect. I pointed out that similar power abilities already exist in the system as is and also pointed out that perhaps Marines were relatively low power as their Codex is amongst the first to be released (addressing the balance). You were the one who wanted examples. I gave them to you. Crying that they have them? Nah, merely pointing out existing examples of similar power level abilities that you were crying about in the first place.
Oh and I have three Marine armies as well as Sisters, Dark Eldr and the like so unlike some I don't have a myopic "BOOST MAHH FACTION" view.
Hmm, this entire line of conversation says otherwise. You are literally crying about Chapter Tactics - you are crying about armies getting rewarded to building to restrictions and having some identity beyond Blue Marines, Red Marines, Green Marines.
Perhaps it's because your Marine army isn't being given a biscuit first?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 13:51:32
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Hubcap
South Carolina, United States
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This is getting out-of-hand friends. Let dial things back a few degrees before the Mods have to step in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 13:58:43
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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It is really weird how they decided to handle the Chapter Masters and I can't really say I like it. Now those chapters who have named special character masters can take them, while others got to pay three command points for theirs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 14:06:19
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Mighty Vampire Count
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DarkStarSabre wrote: Mr Morden wrote:
Oh wow - who is throwing their toys out the pram - screaming and shouting ...............re-read your incoherent tantrum rant and let me know.
[MOD EDIT - Rule #1 - Alpharius]
Yes you DID tell me what to do if I do not like the power creep and I quote might I suggest you go all the way back to the 3rd ed rulebook lists and play that? You don't even have to come to these forums anymore. Go play Blandhammer. It'll be fun
'Might I suggest.' A suggestion. You are not compelled to follow suggestions. [MOD EDIT - Rule #1 - Alpharius]
YOU were the one that cried that other factions have special rules and Marines get these Chapter Tactics instead.
Incorrect. I pointed out that similar power abilities already exist in the system as is and also pointed out that perhaps Marines were relatively low power as their Codex is amongst the first to be released (addressing the balance). You were the one who wanted examples. I gave them to you. Crying that they have them? Nah, merely pointing out existing examples of similar power level abilities that you were crying about in the first place.
Oh and I have three Marine armies as well as Sisters, Dark Eldr and the like so unlike some I don't have a myopic "BOOST MAHH FACTION" view.
Hmm, this entire line of conversation says otherwise. You are literally crying about Chapter Tactics - you are crying about armies getting rewarded to building to restrictions and having some identity beyond Blue Marines, Red Marines, Green Marines.
Perhaps it's because your Marine army isn't being given a biscuit first?
[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]
It is really weird how they decided to handle the Chapter Masters and I can't really say I like it. Now those chapters who have named special character masters can take them, while others got to pay three command points for theirs
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They should have made special traits and abilities part of a building process - with points (for balance) to allow all players to make up Chapter Masters.
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 14:06:51
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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That CT looks redunkulous.
Poor Tau... they had lots of Fly keyword units, which sort of helped... now the Ultramarines just get it across the board.
Seems fair.
Bet all the other CT's suck. We know how much Geederps love the poster boys in blue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 14:11:28
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Regular Dakkanaut
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zerosignal wrote:That CT looks redunkulous.
Poor Tau... they had lots of Fly keyword units, which sort of helped... now the Ultramarines just get it across the board.
Seems fair.
Bet all the other CT's suck. We know how much Geederps love the poster boys in blue.
They don't lol
It appears to not affect vehicles. It gives a -1 to hit. All it does is allow a unit that was charged to pull back and fire. They will be damaged and have a -1 to hit. They already could fall back and allow others to shoot. It is a neat tactical thing but not a huge change.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 14:11:46
Subject: Re:Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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Holding out for Raven Guard. If they give everyone infiltrate and fleet like 30k I'll be happy, but if we just get something stupid like "assault squads can be troops" I won't even bother adjusting my play style.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 14:12:34
Subject: Re:Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Having ran a dread army since 8th started and done a whole bunch of dreadnought reviews on my blog over the past month... The Redemptor seems inefficient. Two mortis dreads with quad heavy bolters or a unit of heavy Bolter/hurricane Bolter centurions would do the Gattling variant's job better, whilst the plasma variant needs too much support to be decent due to the mix of gets hot and completely random number of shots.
This is all assuming it's a bit above 200 points, mind you. If it's priced less than it's power level suggests it might be better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 14:12:36
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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zerosignal wrote:That CT looks redunkulous. Poor Tau... they had lots of Fly keyword units, which sort of helped... now the Ultramarines just get it across the board. Seems fair. Bet all the other CT's suck. We know how much Geederps love the poster boys in blue. At minus 1 to hit, and they can't move over other units / terrain, which is what the Fly keyword allows you to do. Its really not that big of a deal.
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What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 14:12:48
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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zerosignal wrote:That CT looks redunkulous.
Poor Tau... they had lots of Fly keyword units, which sort of helped... now the Ultramarines just get it across the board.
Seems fair.
Bet all the other CT's suck. We know how much Geederps love the poster boys in blue.
Rolling my eyes so hard I pulled them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 14:18:52
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Crimson wrote:It is really weird how they decided to handle the Chapter Masters and I can't really say I like it. Now those chapters who have named special character masters can take them, while others got to pay three command points for theirs.
Where do you see that?
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What I have
~4100
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 14:38:59
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Sword-Bearing Inquisitorial Crusader
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Jesus fething christ the salt here is unbelievable, some of you need to grow the feth up and act your age.
The rest need to just go cool off for a good while.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/14 14:41:17
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Codex SM in July]
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Neronoxx wrote:Jesus fething christ the salt here is unbelievable, some of you need to grow the feth up and act your age.
The rest need to just go cool off for a good while.
Plastic toys meant for a few hours entertainment are just that serious business I guess
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