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**casvalremdeikun**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Carnikang wrote:
ASTERION MOLOC WEEPS TEARS OF BLOOD FOR NO ANTI-POWER ARMOR TACTICS.

Man I really hope Forgeworld does their Chapter Tactics...

That is something I'm wondering about though.

Are we going to be Chapter Tactics-less, or will we just choose one of these per FW?
Ya know, because I don't entirely mind just using the Black Templar one for Carcharodons. Nope, don't mind at all. No sir. No problem at all.

the Sharks don't have a confirmed primogenitor, it has just been heavily implied to be Raven Guard. But choosing Rip and Tear Tactics seems like a logical choice.

**Mr Morden**

MinscS2 wrote:
As a Salamander-player I'm torn on our new CT.

I won't deny that it's good. Not amazing, but pretty good.
It benefits both shooty and melee-units. It also pushes for a MSU/Combat Squad approach, which imo is a bad thing though, as I like big units.

But on the flipside, it's extremely boring. Not Iron Hands-boring (but they've aways been boring), but still very boring.
It also has no synergy what so ever with our signature weapons: flamers. If I could change one thing about our CT, it is so that you could, instead of rerolling the to-hit roll when shooting, reroll the D6 for the number of hits on a single flame-weapon in the unit.

Perhaps think about the factions that have not had anything yet before declaiming that the CT's are boring? Some will not even get it this year.

They all seem pretty good to me and will effect the game quite strongly - there is still alot of be revealed about the Codex - the new relics and stragems might make the game better - or break if compeltely. Time will tell.

**Desubot**

MinscS2 wrote:
As a Salamander-player I'm torn on our new CT.

+ It's good. Re-rolls are handy. It's not amazing, but pretty good.
+ It benefits both shooty and fighty-units, unlike some of the other CT's who only affect certain units.

? It pushes for MSU/Combat Squads. Some may like this, but I personally like larger units.

- It's extremely boring. It's not Iron-Hands-boring, but still boring. It feels alittle lazy from GW, like they didn't quite know what to do with Salamanders.
- No synergy what so ever with the signature weapons of the Salamanders; Flamers. If I could change one thing about our CT, it is so that you could, instead of rerolling the to-hit roll when shooting, reroll the D6 for the number of hits on a single flame-weapon in the unit.

All in all, I rate this new CT "meh".
I love my flamers, and currently Ultramarines do flamers way better than Salamanders.

In the follow up successor chapter blog. "flamer based Stratagem" pops up

i hope its like MAXIMUM FLAMER HITS

No pretty much ALL the chapter tactics besides raven guard is for the most part boring (not bad might even be over powered in some cases) but its a good thing. it keeps all the flashy stuff based in CP making it easier to balance over always getting to infiltrate or always getting to reroll flamer wahtever it does, or some other thing.

**BrookM**

Imperial Fists seems pretty danged beefy, ignoring cover modifiers.

**Slayer-Fan123**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Carnikang wrote:
ASTERION MOLOC WEEPS TEARS OF BLOOD FOR NO ANTI-POWER ARMOR TACTICS.

Man I really hope Forgeworld does their Chapter Tactics...

That is something I'm wondering about though.

Are we going to be Chapter Tactics-less, or will we just choose one of these per FW?
Ya know, because I don't entirely mind just using the Black Templar one for Carcharodons. Nope, don't mind at all. No sir. No problem at all.
the Sharks don't have a confirmed primogenitor, it has just been heavily implied to be Raven Guard. But choosing Rip and Tear Tactics seems like a logical choice.

I knew that much, but giving everyone when Deep Striking a slightly less than 50/50 shot at charging is pretty darn great in my book, especially when you factor in Tyberos and his delicious aura.

**MinscS2**

Mr Morden wrote:

Perhaps think about the factions that have not had anything yet before declaiming that the CT's are boring?

No I'm fairly certain that I can proclaim that "rerolls are boring" anyway. I'm not contemplating whether it's good or not, but if it's fun or not, and I find rerolls to be boring.

Desubot wrote:

In the follow up successor chapter blog. "flamer based Stratagem" pops up

i hope its like MAXIMUM FLAMER HITS

I do hope that there's a stratagem which has some sort of relevance when it comes to flamers. Time will tell.

**Slayer-Fan123**

I do think it should be easier to acquire Command Points, but oh well.

**Latro_**

wonder if the CT have detachment enforcement.... otherwise combos

**Carnikang**

Latro_ wrote:
wonder if the CT have detachment enforcement.... otherwise combos

Fairly sure a Detachment will have to have the same keywords to gain the chapter-tactics bonus. Different detachments could have different chapter-tactics though.

**Brother Xeones**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
str00dles1 wrote:
Mostly concerned with the dice. Thousand Son dice are some of the nicest (and having symbol on 6 and skull on one was a huge improvement from previous sets)

Knowing my luck, I will get these dice, then GW will release a set of official Crimson Fists dice shortly afterwards.

Actually, Crimson Fist dice sounds like a bad idea —the only themed dice worse than that would be Lamentors themed dice!

**Ghaz**

Carnikang wrote:
Latro_ wrote:
wonder if the CT have detachment enforcement.... otherwise combos

Fairly sure a Detachment will have to have the same keywords to gain the chapter-tactics bonus. Different detachments could have different chapter-tactics though.

On the live Q&A with Pete Foley, it was mentioned that there would be more specific stratagems. For example, an army where all units have the 'Imperial Fists' Faction keyword would have access to specific Imperial Fists stratagems while a Space Marine army would have access to Space Marine stratagems, etc.

**casvalremdeikun**

Brother Xeones wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
str00dles1 wrote:
Mostly concerned with the dice. Thousand Son dice are some of the nicest (and having symbol on 6 and skull on one was a huge improvement from previous sets)

Knowing my luck, I will get these dice, then GW will release a set of official Crimson Fists dice shortly afterwards.

Actually, Crimson Fist dice sounds like a bad idea —the only themed dice worse than that would be Lamentors themed dice!

Heh. Good point. *Rolls all ones on his assault cannon attack*...

**CthuluIsSpy**

MinscS2 wrote:
As a Salamander-player I'm torn on our new CT.

+ It's good. Re-rolls are handy. It's not amazing, but pretty good.
+ It benefits both shooty and fighty-units, unlike some of the other CT's who only affect certain units.

? It pushes for MSU/Combat Squads. Some may like this, but I personally like larger units.

- It's extremely boring. It's not Iron-Hands-boring, but still boring. It feels alittle lazy from GW, like they didn't quite know what to do with Salamanders.
- Almost no synergy what so ever with the signature weapons of the Salamanders; Flamers. If I could change one thing about our CT, it is so that you could, instead of rerolling the to-hit roll when shooting, reroll the D6 for the number of hits on a single flame-weapon in the unit.

All in all, I rate this new CT "meh".
I love my flamers, and currently Ultramarines do flamers way better than Salamanders.

They will probably get a flamer buff in the form of a strategem.
GW said they wanted the CT to benefit all units, no matter what they are equipped with, so it seems that CT = General Buffs, Strategem = specific buffs.

**Desubot**

Brother Xeones wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
str00dles1 wrote:
Mostly concerned with the dice. Thousand Son dice are some of the nicest (and having symbol on 6 and skull on one was a huge improvement from previous sets)

Knowing my luck, I will get these dice, then GW will release a set of official Crimson Fists dice shortly afterwards.

Actually, Crimson Fist dice sounds like a bad idea —the only themed dice worse than that would be Lamentors themed dice!

Dunno imp fists are pretty up there with unfortunate turns of events.

**Galas**

I can totally see a stratagem for Salamanders in the lines of "Spend 3 CT, all your flamer hits for this game turn do the max number of hits"

**rybackstun**

Disappointed by the BT Tactic. The Continued deconstruction of my favorite Chapter is draining.

Hoping the stratagem and Warlord Traits are decent

**casvalremdeikun**

One thing I am hoping remains in place is the fact that Special Characters don't have their Warlord Traits set. I am probably going to use the Crimson Fists trait anyway, but if I want to give Pedro Kantor something different, I hope I still can.

**MLaw**

Something just occurred to me.. Are they re-writing BT canon so that they're no longer an Imperial Fist successor? The chapter traits have been presented in this successor article as if the listed chapters are founding chapters or something..
/wildspeculation

**Crimson**

MLaw wrote:
Something just occurred to me.. Are they re-writing BT canon so that they're no longer an Imperial Fist successor?

No.

**unmercifulconker**

rybackstun wrote:
Disappointed by the BT Tactic. The Continued deconstruction of my favorite Chapter is draining.

Hoping the stratagem and Warlord Traits are decent

I'm expecting like take a certain number of Crusader Squads and get bigger movement or something. Hoping for quite a bit more tbh. We need our vows!

**MLaw**

unmercifulconker wrote:
rybackstun wrote:
Disappointed by the BT Tactic. The Continued deconstruction of my favorite Chapter is draining.

Hoping the stratagem and Warlord Traits are decent

I'm expecting like take a certain number of Crusader Squads and get bigger movement or something. Hoping for quite a bit more tbh. We need our vows!

How sure are you that we'll still get things like Sword Brethren, Crusader Squads, Emperor's Champ, etc.. I'm anticipating them being turned into Veterans, Sternguard, etc etc.. I am holding out for a sign to the contrary but I think that might be a while if one's coming.

**Mr Morden**

MLaw wrote:
unmercifulconker wrote:
rybackstun wrote:
Disappointed by the BT Tactic. The Continued deconstruction of my favorite Chapter is draining.

Hoping the stratagem and Warlord Traits are decent

I'm expecting like take a certain number of Crusader Squads and get bigger movement or something. Hoping for quite a bit more tbh. We need our vows!

How sure are you that we'll still get things like Sword Brethren, Crusader Squads, Emperor's Champ, etc.. I'm anticipating them being turned into Veterans, Sternguard, etc etc.. I am holding out for a sign to the contrary but I think that might be a while if one's coming.

They are in the Indexes - I am not expecting them to be removed tbh - our BT have five unique units whicn is more than a number of First Founding Chapters - Salamanders (1), Raven Guard (1), White Scars (1), Iron Hands (0)! and they are the only non First Founding Chapter to get stuff like Relic and Chapter Tactics (Crimson Fists get a single character but nothing else) - Of course yes its nothing compared ot the snowflake chapters with all their flavour units but its still significant

**spiralingcadaver**

Yeah, BT have basically been their own special thing since at least their feature in the Armageddon campaign where they got their signature squad and when Land Raider Crusaders were introduced for them and as 0-1's for everyone else.

**GAdvance**

MLaw wrote:
unmercifulconker wrote:
rybackstun wrote:
Disappointed by the BT Tactic. The Continued deconstruction of my favorite Chapter is draining.

Hoping the stratagem and Warlord Traits are decent

I'm expecting like take a certain number of Crusader Squads and get bigger movement or something. Hoping for quite a bit more tbh. We need our vows!

How sure are you that we'll still get things like Sword Brethren, Crusader Squads, Emperor's Champ, etc.. I'm anticipating them being turned into Veterans, Sternguard, etc etc.. I am holding out for a sign to the contrary but I think that might be a while if one's coming.

No way any of those things are getting squatted, they're all in the index for one and the Templars have been picked out as the only non-first founding chapter with their own chapter tactics.

The closest they've gotten to losing anything is sword brethren... who are functionally identical to company champions anyway

**d-usa**

Good article about successor chapters and CT:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/18/choosing-the-right-chapter-tactic-for-your-successorsgw-homepage-post-4/

**Ghaz**

d-usa wrote:
Good article about successor chapters and CT:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/18/choosing-the-right-chapter-tactic-for-your-successorsgw-homepage-post-4/

Yes, its a good article.

**Slayer-Fan123**

MLaw wrote:
unmercifulconker wrote:
rybackstun wrote:
Disappointed by the BT Tactic. The Continued deconstruction of my favorite Chapter is draining.

Hoping the stratagem and Warlord Traits are decent

I'm expecting like take a certain number of Crusader Squads and get bigger movement or something. Hoping for quite a bit more tbh. We need our vows!

How sure are you that we'll still get things like Sword Brethren, Crusader Squads, Emperor's Champ, etc.. I'm anticipating them being turned into Veterans, Sternguard, etc etc.. I am holding out for a sign to the contrary but I think that might be a while if one's coming.

You still have the Champ and Crusader squads. Sword Brethren are just Vanguard.

**NivlacSupreme**

If Primaris have a PA clad assault unit GW can have my money.

And FW can have some too. I suddenly have the urge to build some superhuman madmen wielding chainaxes

**casvalremdeikun**

NivlacSupreme wrote:
If Primaris have a PA clad assault unit GW can have my money.

And FW can have some too. I suddenly have the urge to build some superhuman madmen wielding chainaxes

They do. That is what the Reivers are. They have 3+ Sv just like Intercessors. Unless you are wanting a unit actually modeled with Power armor, then I think you will be out of luck.

I am really hoping that the Bolt Carbine materializes. Hopefully in the form of a short range Assault Bolt Rifle. That is exactly the type of thing that I want to run.

**MLaw**

NivlacSupreme wrote:
If Primaris have a PA clad assault unit GW can have my money.

And FW can have some too. I suddenly have the urge to build some superhuman madmen wielding chainaxes

I've been contemplating buying some AOS Blood Warriors for Berzerkers.. they seem very very tall.. I dunno about Primaris size but they're definitely taller than the old zerkers. After seeing all the new sculpts for Chaos lately I'm beyond stoked to see what World Eaters are gonna look like.