BrotherGecko wrote:
I really do not like the Apothecary model. Nothing about it says 'battlefield medic'. He is standing on the dead for one, which would be okay if he was also posed to be in the middle of saving his battle brother. But instead he is standing on the dead absent mindedly while "humming and hooing" over some piece of curiousiness as if he has zero respect for his battle brother's corpse. All the while he is part of a stiffling strong culture that exalts the battle dead as the truest of Imperial heroes.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I really do not like the Apothecary model. Nothing about it says 'battlefield medic'. He is standing on the dead for one, which would be okay if he was also posed to be in the middle of saving his battle brother. But instead he is standing on the dead absent mindedly while "humming and hooing" over some piece of curiousiness as if he has zero respect for his battle brother's corpse. All the while he is part of a stiffling strong culture that exalts the battle dead as the truest of Imperial heroes.

He looks like a arena FPS character whose bio says "armored biologist who is prone to losing focus when he sees something interesting amongst the bodies of the dead" than a combat medic who is doing everything in his power to keep his battle brothers alive while in the thick of battle.

He doesn't even look like a battlefield medic, he looks like an over grown biologist doing a post battle analyst of the enemy dead..

I managed to get a glimpse at the fluff section from 8th Edition and here's what I managed to glean from it. Apologies if the info is fragmentary.
 
Ultramarines:
 
-The 2nd Company is now commanded by Captain Acheron since Cato Sicarius was sent away to be part of Guilliman's Victrix Guard. Captain Sicarius was lost in the warp at the start of the Indomitus Crusade. (He does return in Dark Imperium which is set afterwards, but he still remains with the Victrix Guard).
 
-The other Company Captains have all nearly not really changed and are very much alive. Captain Fabian is still commanding the 3rd, Ventris the 4th, Galenus the 5th and Numitor the 8th
 
-After the Plague Wars ended with Mortarion escaping, Guilliman spent some time in Ultramar leading the reconstruction, fortification and rebuilding efforts before having to leave again for other parts of the Imperium.
 
-The Ultramarines then go on something called the "Vengeance Campaigns" where they leave Ultramar and attempt to take back demon worlds while also handling an Ork WAAAGH. They take back 3 of the 7 demon worlds but the fate of the rest of the planets are unknown.
 
White Scars:
 
-The White Scars are badly depleted by the renewed Chaos invasions due to the rift opening but the Indomitus Crusade shows up and delivers their Primaris reinforcements, saving the Chapter.
 
-They then launch a vengeful campaign against the Red Corsairs, attacking and boarding a major Space Station siezed by Huron Blackheart. The Chapter Master of the White Scars, Jubal Khan, and his honor guard fight their way to the heart of the structure when its plasma reactors blow, the strike force becomes trapped in the exploding structure. The fate of the WS Chapter Master and his honour guard are unknown.
 
Imperial Fists:
 
-Seeking revenge for the attack on the Phalanx, the Imperial Fists launch an invasion of the Iron Warrior's newly fortified world of Ironhold (original). Aided by several Knight Houses, they win and defeat their arch-rivals, taking the planet for the Imperium.
 
Black Templars:
 
-When the Great Rift opened, a horde of traitor forces began targeting Imperial Shrine Worlds for destruction, led by the Word Bearers. The Black Templars commit themselves to defending these holy places from the traitor marines and several crusades are launched to drive the traitors back. The BT take heavy losses but hold the line against the enemy.
 
-The Black Templars are called upon to put down a rebellion on a planet. As they fight they discover that the enemy is managing to put more soldiers on the field faster than they can kill them. Realizing the planet was damned as most of its population was turning against them, the BT are forced to exterminate the entire population to put an end to the threat.
 
Salamanders:
 
-A Bloodthirster named Khar'kul leads his demonic forces into a Hive World, slaughtering anyone in his way. The Salamanders deploy in Chapter Strength and overcome this enemy with the use of massed Aggressor squads equipped with flamers.
 
Iron hands:
 
-When the Great Rift opened, Medusa came under a massive attack by the forces of Chaos. However, the Iron Hands manage to hold the line and eventually the traitors retreat from the planet, leaving behind a battered Chapter.
 
-The Great Rift that engulfed most of the Space around them now receded, leaving behind planets tainted by Chaos. The Iron Hands launched a brutal "Scorched Earth Crusade" that cleanses these heavily populated worlds from the taint but leaves them in ruins.
 
-The Iron Hands discover a possible pathway through the Great Rift, back to the other side of the Imperium that is guarded by the forces of Chaos and several renegade warbands. They launch a massive attack on this site and defeat the traitors in battle but just as they are about to reach the pathway, the renegades detonate their charges and destroy the portals. (This is starting to be a recurring theme)
 
-They then join something known as the Stygian Crusade along other Imperial forces where they make great gains at first but are forced to retreat under relenting pressure.

Caius Tadius, on 23 Jul 2017 - 6:27 PM, said:
 
-They then join something known as the Stygian Crusade...

 This is detailed in the rulebook. Tzeentch and Magnus launch a massive attack against the Stygius sector to conquer it. There's the usual back-and-forth, but at the end of the day they mostly succeed. 

Kanluwen wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I really do not like the Apothecary model. Nothing about it says 'battlefield medic'. He is standing on the dead for one, which would be okay if he was also posed to be in the middle of saving his battle brother. But instead he is standing on the dead absent mindedly while "humming and hooing" over some piece of curiousiness as if he has zero respect for his battle brother's corpse. All the while he is part of a stiffling strong culture that exalts the battle dead as the truest of Imperial heroes.

Apothecaries aren't just "battlefield medics". They're the quite literal keepers of a Chapter's future.

That thing he's looking at? It's the fallen Marine's geneseed, according to Darren Latham(who sculpted the Apothecary). That's the most important part of a fallen Marine.

If I were to nit-pick anything it's the random shouldermounted microscope.

Mr Morden wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I really do not like the Apothecary model. Nothing about it says 'battlefield medic'. He is standing on the dead for one, which would be okay if he was also posed to be in the middle of saving his battle brother. But instead he is standing on the dead absent mindedly while "humming and hooing" over some piece of curiousiness as if he has zero respect for his battle brother's corpse. All the while he is part of a stiffling strong culture that exalts the battle dead as the truest of Imperial heroes.

He looks like a arena FPS character whose bio says "armored biologist who is prone to losing focus when he sees something interesting amongst the bodies of the dead" than a combat medic who is doing everything in his power to keep his battle brothers alive while in the thick of battle.

He doesn't even look like a battlefield medic, he looks like an over grown biologist doing a post battle analyst of the enemy dead..

He would make a great model for a follower of Fabius Bile with a few addiitons and paint sceheme - FB even likes making Big Marines - maybe Cawl knows him.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
I need to see a picture of this apothecary now...

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Daft transport rules aside. It seems likely that the variant chapters(BA,DA,SW,DW) will be getting full access to all the Primaris models that don't stay as DI exclusives. Anybody else tempted to hold off on putting paint to plastic on any V2Marines until a few more power armour codex's drop? Given that GW seem to aiming for four books a month they could be coming soon.

They way the sprues are laid out, I wouldn't be surprised if they get variants of some of those units. The weapons for the Redemptor are on a different Sprue. My guess is we will see a Furioso Variant for Blood Angels and a Mortis Variant for Dark Angels. Hopefully a giant Frost Cannon for Space Wolves. It is actually quite ingenious.

shade1313 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Daft transport rules aside. It seems likely that the variant chapters(BA,DA,SW,DW) will be getting full access to all the Primaris models that don't stay as DI exclusives. Anybody else tempted to hold off on putting paint to plastic on any V2Marines until a few more power armour codex's drop? Given that GW seem to aiming for four books a month they could be coming soon.

They way the sprues are laid out, I wouldn't be surprised if they get variants of some of those units. The weapons for the Redemptor are on a different Sprue. My guess is we will see a Furioso Variant for Blood Angels and a Mortis Variant for Dark Angels. Hopefully a giant Frost Cannon for Space Wolves. It is actually quite ingenious.

And yet they'll probably still leave BA, DA, and SW unable to take Cataphractii or Tartaros armor. First founding chapters, but sod those guys.

 BrotherGecko wrote:


You even get stuck with a stupid load out for the apothecary. Why is it a gunslinger? Why would the apothecary ever be a gunslinger? Why doesn't he have the bolt carbine...a weapon that makes sense?

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Sorry, there's complaining about that gorgeous sculpt by one of GW's most consistent and talented sculptors? "Stop liking what I don't like" isn't worth filling up a thread with. Move on and live a happier life.

Also, the magnifying lenses aren't shoulder-mounted. They're fitted to his suit collar/gorget - you can see a channel that it could slide along.

Edit: I absolutely LOVE the Desert Eagle model of Bolt Pistol that Chaplain has! Hand Cannon or what?

 JoeRugby wrote:
So how long till someone paints up the Primaris Chaplain as Skelator.....

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I really do not like the Apothecary model. Nothing about it says 'battlefield medic'. He is standing on the dead for one, which would be okay if he was also posed to be in the middle of saving his battle brother. But instead he is standing on the dead absent mindedly while "humming and hooing" over some piece of curiousiness as if he has zero respect for his battle brother's corpse. All the while he is part of a stiffling strong culture that exalts the battle dead as the truest of Imperial heroes.

He looks like a arena FPS character whose bio says "armored biologist who is prone to losing focus when he sees something interesting amongst the bodies of the dead" than a combat medic who is doing everything in his power to keep his battle brothers alive while in the thick of battle.

He doesn't even look like a battlefield medic, he looks like an over grown biologist doing a post battle analyst of the enemy dead.

He should have been hunched over, festooned with the gear to keep his brothers alive with a stoic look on his face than some arrogant dingbat in space marine armor.

Definitely will be making my own apothecaries.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Sorry, there's complaining about that gorgeous sculpt by one of GW's most consistent and talented sculptors? "Stop liking what I don't like" isn't worth filling up a thread with. Move on and live a happier life.

Also, the magnifying lenses aren't shoulder-mounted. They're fitted to his suit collar/gorget - you can see a channel that it could slide along.

Edit: I absolutely LOVE the Desert Eagle model of Bolt Pistol that Chaplain has! Hand Cannon or what?

shade1313 wrote:

 JoeRugby wrote:
So how long till someone paints up the Primaris Chaplain as Skelator.....

Well, I guess I need one now just for that, thanks a bunch.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Sorry, there's complaining about that gorgeous sculpt by one of GW's most consistent and talented sculptors? "Stop liking what I don't like" isn't worth filling up a thread with. Move on and live a happier life.

Also, the magnifying lenses aren't shoulder-mounted. They're fitted to his suit collar/gorget - you can see a channel that it could slide along.

Edit: I absolutely LOVE the Desert Eagle model of Bolt Pistol that Chaplain has! Hand Cannon or what?

 d-usa wrote:
And it looks like the magnifying glasses are geared to move back and forth along the neck.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I really do not like the Apothecary model. Nothing about it says 'battlefield medic'. He is standing on the dead for one, which would be okay if he was also posed to be in the middle of saving his battle brother. But instead he is standing on the dead absent mindedly while "humming and hooing" over some piece of curiousiness as if he has zero respect for his battle brother's corpse. All the while he is part of a stiffling strong culture that exalts the battle dead as the truest of Imperial heroes.

Apothecaries aren't just "battlefield medics". They're the quite literal keepers of a Chapter's future.

That thing he's looking at? It's the fallen Marine's geneseed, according to Darren Latham(who sculpted the Apothecary). That's the most important part of a fallen Marine.

If I were to nit-pick anything it's the random shouldermounted microscope.

I know what he has and he looks like a dingbat sitting there inspecting it on the battlefield. The model looks like the best attempt at becomong a causality. I know the roles of the Apothecary and the model conveys absolutely none of it. So while he is busy being the "keeper of the chapter's future" he is also disrespecting the honored dead....that phrase the constantly pops up on the bottom of every imperial army rule book.

You even get stuck with a stupid load out for the apothecary. Why is it a gunslinger? Why would the apothecary ever be a gunslinger? Why doesn't he have the bolt carbine...a weapon that makes sense?

Whoever Darren Latham is, he should of spent maybe 20 seconds just reading up on the role and purpose of the apothecary on the battlefield or shown the sculpt to one of the many 40k fans that have/are battlefield medics so he didn't create this goober of a model.

Mr Morden wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I really do not like the Apothecary model. Nothing about it says 'battlefield medic'. He is standing on the dead for one, which would be okay if he was also posed to be in the middle of saving his battle brother. But instead he is standing on the dead absent mindedly while "humming and hooing" over some piece of curiousiness as if he has zero respect for his battle brother's corpse. All the while he is part of a stiffling strong culture that exalts the battle dead as the truest of Imperial heroes.

He looks like a arena FPS character whose bio says "armored biologist who is prone to losing focus when he sees something interesting amongst the bodies of the dead" than a combat medic who is doing everything in his power to keep his battle brothers alive while in the thick of battle.

He doesn't even look like a battlefield medic, he looks like an over grown biologist doing a post battle analyst of the enemy dead..

He would make a great model for a follower of Fabius Bile with a few addiitons and paint sceheme - FB even likes making Big Marines - maybe Cawl knows him.

Definitely would fit fine in the apothecary is the last guy you ever want helping you look the Fabius Bile gives. The I'm not here to help anyone...I just want easy victims for experiments.