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The hole into which a magazine is inserted, one would assume...

Yes; it's properly called a "Magazine Well" but you can see how jargon kicks in to shorten that by a few syllables.

Something that a rotary tool could have recessed a bit and then painted black to look much better, but I'm guessing they didn't think it worth the trouble.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What's a magwell? I looked it up on google, and I couldn't really find anything?

The part of a gun where you insert the magazine in.

 AduroT wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
I will say it's nice to see some actual marines with something other than two close combat weapons or holding a boltgun. The small things make the squad stand out (the slung boltguns, the boltgun w/ the launcher and sling, the marine changes magazines, etc.) It's nice to see stuff like that. Would like to see an actual kneeling marine sometime, or even a few at a jog/run.

My only complaint with the Marine changing his mag is they stuck him into a photo shoot with a unit carrying auto bolt rifles, so he's loading the wrong mag.

I wonder how complicated it will be to try and convert this to match the squad's weapons, be they assault or stalker.

 MLaw wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I haven't really looked at them side by side, but are the hands of Primaries Marines the same size as regular marines? If the hands are close in size, conversions might be a little easier. Especially when it comes to close combat weapons.

The hands are workable but the length of most CCWs just isn't going to work. Terminator weapons seem to be closer in size to what I would expect.. actually.. think I'll compare my termie power sword to the one that came in the DI box..

Hmm. That sucks. So where are we supposed to get a chainsword for Intercessor Sergeants for Blood Angels and Space Wolves?

 Krinsath wrote:
Yes; it's properly called a "Magazine Well" but you can see how jargon kicks in to shorten that by a few syllables.

Something that a rotary tool could have recessed a bit and then painted black to look much better, but I'm guessing they didn't think it worth the trouble.

...especially because it would require them to cast the bolter into two pieces to achieve that. So, yes, it is not worth their trouble.

 theharrower wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I haven't really looked at them side by side, but are the hands of Primaries Marines the same size as regular marines? If the hands are close in size, conversions might be a little easier. Especially when it comes to close combat weapons.

The hands are workable but the length of most CCWs just isn't going to work. Terminator weapons seem to be closer in size to what I would expect.. actually.. think I'll compare my termie power sword to the one that came in the DI box..

Hmm. That sucks. So where are we supposed to get a chainsword for Intercessor Sergeants for Blood Angels and Space Wolves?

Normal marine power armour hands an weapons work just fine. Terminator hands are too big.


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This guy has a combination of weapons no primaris marine can have...

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
Yes; it's properly called a "Magazine Well" but you can see how jargon kicks in to shorten that by a few syllables.

Something that a rotary tool could have recessed a bit and then painted black to look much better, but I'm guessing they didn't think it worth the trouble.

...especially because it would require them to cast the bolter into two pieces to achieve that. So, yes, it is not worth their trouble.

You do know that hobbyists use rotary tools all the time to do things after production? It's akin to drilling out the muzzle of the bolter; it's not part of most kits on the sprue, but lots of people do it because it looks dramatically better for reasonably minimal effort. Shaving down a couple millimeters from the magwell to create a visible shadow would be far trickier than the muzzles, but likely still do-able if done prior to assembly. Alternately, plane it down a bit, then re-build a rim with green stuff.

Daedalus81 wrote:
...especially because it would require them to cast the bolter into two pieces to achieve that. So, yes, it is not worth their trouble.

1- they've done plenty of angled castings with slight recesses that probably wouldn't have required 2-part casts
2- they could have painted a little black rectangle showing that it was a recess instead of painting it to look solid, which is probably what most players with any attention to detail will do.

 theharrower wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I haven't really looked at them side by side, but are the hands of Primaries Marines the same size as regular marines? If the hands are close in size, conversions might be a little easier. Especially when it comes to close combat weapons.

The hands are workable but the length of most CCWs just isn't going to work. Terminator weapons seem to be closer in size to what I would expect.. actually.. think I'll compare my termie power sword to the one that came in the DI box..

Hmm. That sucks. So where are we supposed to get a chainsword for Intercessor Sergeants for Blood Angels and Space Wolves?

My guess is the Intercessor kit will have a chainsword and power sword in it.

 Crimson wrote:

 theharrower wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I haven't really looked at them side by side, but are the hands of Primaries Marines the same size as regular marines? If the hands are close in size, conversions might be a little easier. Especially when it comes to close combat weapons.

The hands are workable but the length of most CCWs just isn't going to work. Terminator weapons seem to be closer in size to what I would expect.. actually.. think I'll compare my termie power sword to the one that came in the DI box..

Hmm. That sucks. So where are we supposed to get a chainsword for Intercessor Sergeants for Blood Angels and Space Wolves?

Normal marine power armour hands an weapons work just fine. Terminator hands are too big.

Someone else mentioned the weapons were too small. So chaindaggers?


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My guess is the Intercessor kit will have a chainsword and power sword in it.

I don't think it'll have a chainsword. It's not an option in the Space Marines Codex. My guess is the Primaris Upgrade Kit for Blood Angels and Space Wolves will have a chainsword. Just dumb that the premier close combat marines can't use Power Swords. Makes no sense.

 theharrower wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 theharrower wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I haven't really looked at them side by side, but are the hands of Primaries Marines the same size as regular marines? If the hands are close in size, conversions might be a little easier. Especially when it comes to close combat weapons.

The hands are workable but the length of most CCWs just isn't going to work. Terminator weapons seem to be closer in size to what I would expect.. actually.. think I'll compare my termie power sword to the one that came in the DI box..

Hmm. That sucks. So where are we supposed to get a chainsword for Intercessor Sergeants for Blood Angels and Space Wolves?

Normal marine power armour hands an weapons work just fine. Terminator hands are too big.

Someone else mentioned the weapons were too small. So chaindaggers?

40k weapons are humongous to begin with. Instead of being the height of the entire Marine, a chainsword reaches below the gorget of a Primaris. I'd hardly call that too small.

 Crimson wrote:



This guy has a combination of weapons no primaris marine can have...

Yes, and that is...a sad thing.

 theharrower wrote:

Someone else mentioned the weapons were too small. So chaindaggers?

They aren't too small. Marine weapons are enormous to begin with and they look fine on the primaris.

 Crimson wrote:

 theharrower wrote:

Someone else mentioned the weapons were too small. So chaindaggers?

They aren't too small. Marine weapons are enormous to begin with and they look fine on the primaris.

Good to hear.

 Crimson wrote:

Hmm. That sucks. So where are we supposed to get a chainsword for Intercessor Sergeants for Blood Angels and Space Wolves?

Normal marine power armour hands an weapons work just fine. Terminator hands are too big.


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This guy has a combination of weapons no primaris marine can have...

It's almost like the left hand (the Heavy Metal team) doesn't know what the right hand (the Rules team) is doing... I suspect even they were surprised about the lack of customizability that previously was inherent to the game (at least since 3rd edition when I started).

As for chainswords and normal weapons, I don't think it'll be an issue. If you're really worried about it, the eviscerator bits could be used for larger chainswords although personally I think it's overkill visually.

Oh, yeah, there's no need at all to make weapons bigger - next to Primaris the existing weapon range actually begins to approach "properly" scaled. I still think it's bizarre that they scaled up the Marines and then gave them HUEG even-bigger-bolters to immediately negate that.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Oh, yeah, there's no need at all to make weapons bigger - next to Primaris the existing weapon range actually begins to approach "properly" scaled. I still think it's bizarre that they scaled up the Marines and then gave them HUEG even-bigger-bolters to immediately negate that.

If you like the look of smaller bolters on big marines, you can model your Intercessors with bolt carbines from the Reaver kit, which are the size of the old bolters. And as bolt carbines and auto bolt rifles have the same stats, it will even by WYSIWYG.

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Oh, yeah, there's no need at all to make weapons bigger - next to Primaris the existing weapon range actually begins to approach "properly" scaled. I still think it's bizarre that they scaled up the Marines and then gave them HUEG even-bigger-bolters to immediately negate that.

If you like the look of smaller bolters on big marines, you can model your Intercessors with bolt carbines from the Reaver kit, which are the size of the old bolters. And as bolt carbines and auto bolt rifles have the same stats, it will even by WYSIWYG.

Since I love the look of bolt carbines, I might actually do that!

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
Yes; it's properly called a "Magazine Well" but you can see how jargon kicks in to shorten that by a few syllables.

Something that a rotary tool could have recessed a bit and then painted black to look much better, but I'm guessing they didn't think it worth the trouble.

...especially because it would require them to cast the bolter into two pieces to achieve that. So, yes, it is not worth their trouble.

He wasn't talking about making the part for casting. It's just a finishing touch that would have made this particular conversion look a little better, given how visible the bottom of the bolter is with the way he's holding it.


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 warboss wrote:
It's almost like the left hand (the Heavy Metal team) doesn't know what the right hand (the Rules team) is doing...

I suspect it's more that they were making some cool conversions, rather than trying to make game-ready models.

 theharrower wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I haven't really looked at them side by side, but are the hands of Primaries Marines the same size as regular marines? If the hands are close in size, conversions might be a little easier. Especially when it comes to close combat weapons.

The hands are workable but the length of most CCWs just isn't going to work. Terminator weapons seem to be closer in size to what I would expect.. actually.. think I'll compare my termie power sword to the one that came in the DI box..

Hmm. That sucks. So where are we supposed to get a chainsword for Intercessor Sergeants for Blood Angels and Space Wolves?

I don't think that's an accurate statement. I converted the sword on my Gravis armor CaptIan using the Ultramarines gladius blade from the UM upgrade kit. The sword was the exact same length as the one he was already carrying, and the hands aren't noticibly different. Guns don't look right, but melee weapons look just fine.

 theharrower wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I haven't really looked at them side by side, but are the hands of Primaries Marines the same size as regular marines? If the hands are close in size, conversions might be a little easier. Especially when it comes to close combat weapons.

The hands are workable but the length of most CCWs just isn't going to work. Terminator weapons seem to be closer in size to what I would expect.. actually.. think I'll compare my termie power sword to the one that came in the DI box..

Hmm. That sucks. So where are we supposed to get a chainsword for Intercessor Sergeants for Blood Angels and Space Wolves?

A lot of people are chiming in that I'm mistaken in my opinion.. which is funny.. but to my eye the chainsword looks off. YES, normally the weapons are oversized but the stock chainsword looks a touch short and not quite thick enough. I have both Primaris marines and a stock chainsword in front of me and it just doesn't look right. A conversion you can do that was popular with the -I- codices were out for 4th and nobody had eviscerators is to take the top off a stock chainsword, and take the top 1/3 off of another. If you're careful about how you do your cuts and use putty to fill your gaps you can use one chainsword to make 2 or 3 of them longer. I will probably run a strip of plasticard up the back of a chainsword too just to give it another 1 or 2mm of thickness.

For power swords and other weapons, they vary wildly. The maces/mauls from the DA kits are pretty big and might work. I think stock BT axes are probably okay but they might look a bit undersized. Power Swords are where it gets weird. Most are really wide and it's okay for the length compared to a normal marine.. but it looks like a short sword in the hand of a Primaris... in most instances. There is a really big one that comes in the DA upgrade frame and it's almost identical in size to the PS from the DI box.

As to everyone saying the normal weapons are oversized or these are fine or whatever.. The main reason I'm not in this bandwagon (when it's something I've been saying about old marines for ages) is that they scaled up the oversized weapons too.. so normal sized melee next to "heroic" oversized guns looks ridiculous..

RE: Magwells - That's not the first time they've done that. I'm almost positive there is an Ork version of the magazine/magwell reload build option. It's just as flat. I am pretty sure I drilled and filed mine to get it to be an actual hole like drilling a barrel. On my IG I clipped the magazine and built a new one for the reloading hand but didn't bother with the magwell.. it's so small that it's not particularly noticeable. The same cannot be said for shootas and obviously the Primaris ..uh.. bolt..(wtf are they called now?)


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 Bi'ios wrote:

 theharrower wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I haven't really looked at them side by side, but are the hands of Primaries Marines the same size as regular marines? If the hands are close in size, conversions might be a little easier. Especially when it comes to close combat weapons.

The hands are workable but the length of most CCWs just isn't going to work. Terminator weapons seem to be closer in size to what I would expect.. actually.. think I'll compare my termie power sword to the one that came in the DI box..

Hmm. That sucks. So where are we supposed to get a chainsword for Intercessor Sergeants for Blood Angels and Space Wolves?

I don't think that's an accurate statement. I converted the sword on my Gravis armor CaptIan using the Ultramarines gladius blade from the UM upgrade kit. The sword was the exact same length as the one he was already carrying, and the hands aren't noticibly different. Guns don't look right, but melee weapons look just fine.

Different kits have different length power swords. As I said in my last reply, one of the PS from my DA box is fine but others are shorter by about 10mm or so.

 insaniak wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
Yes; it's properly called a "Magazine Well" but you can see how jargon kicks in to shorten that by a few syllables.

Something that a rotary tool could have recessed a bit and then painted black to look much better, but I'm guessing they didn't think it worth the trouble.

...especially because it would require them to cast the bolter into two pieces to achieve that. So, yes, it is not worth their trouble.

He wasn't talking about making the part for casting. It's just a finishing touch that would have made this particular conversion look a little better, given how visible the bottom of the bolter is with the way he's holding it.


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 warboss wrote:
It's almost like the left hand (the Heavy Metal team) doesn't know what the right hand (the Rules team) is doing...

I suspect it's more that they were making some cool conversions, rather than trying to make game-ready models.

Considering the Riever Squad has models reloading where the Mag well is solid, I dont think that is a conversion.

Check out the Iron Hand from Kill Team Cassius. His magwell has a molded divot/ lip around it, so it doesnt look solid. Why'd they take a step backward

 Yodhrin wrote:
Oh, yeah, there's no need at all to make weapons bigger - next to Primaris the existing weapon range actually begins to approach "properly" scaled. I still think it's bizarre that they scaled up the Marines and then gave them HUEG even-bigger-bolters to immediately negate that.

I'm not, since it isn't about GW 'properly scaling' things. Primaris are even-more-bigger SM, not any sort of attempt at 'truescale.' They're bigger models, they get bigger guns to keep to GW's 'heroic scale'

keep in mind bolters aren't supposed to be AK-47s. they're supposed to beasicly fire 50 cal rocket propelled explosive shells

Voss wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Oh, yeah, there's no need at all to make weapons bigger - next to Primaris the existing weapon range actually begins to approach "properly" scaled. I still think it's bizarre that they scaled up the Marines and then gave them HUEG even-bigger-bolters to immediately negate that.

I'm not, since it isn't about GW 'properly scaling' things. Primaris are even-more-bigger SM, not any sort of attempt at 'truescale.' They're bigger models, they get bigger guns to keep to GW's 'heroic scale'

That would hold more water if not for the self-evident effort to fix the proportions for the Primaris models. They're not simply bigger heroic scale Space Marines, they're "truescale Marines" with a newshiny crispy sugar shell so they can be sold as an addition to the range rather than a replacement in the short term. Compare the Reiver weapons to regular Marines with a similar loadout - the pistols & knives aren't anywhere near as ridiculously oversized as the old models.

BrianDavion wrote:
keep in mind bolters aren't supposed to be AK-47s. they're supposed to beasicly fire 50 cal rocket propelled explosive shells

.75 cal.
(This may as well be an automated message)

On topic - I see an Iron Hand conversion that I envy. Gib, gib, GIB.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Spoiler:

This guy has a combination of weapons no primaris marine can have...

Yes, and that is...a sad thing.

Make. Your. Own. Datasheet.

Obviously it won't be legal in a tournament, but since GW printed a list of points in the back of the codex it really shouldn't be a problem in friendly or narrative games. Seriously, unless you're some sort of gangsta thug neckbeard tourney player who sees casual gamers as an affront to the hhhobby, I really don't see why this is even an issue.

Sheesh - settle down, please!