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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
So 10? Faith Points. I just hope the "Tests of Faith" roles aren't too punishing. Having to spend one, then roll a 5+, then fail, sucks. I don't recall if the article mentioned whether or not you spend one if the roll fails, but if you do... womp. I saw there's an Army Trait to mitigate that, and I usually bring lots of Imagifiers/Dialoguses, but my girls are Argent Shroud minor order ladies, and the Argent Shroud trait isn't spoiled yet. Ebon Chalice strikes me as the real winner.

You must run foot if you have 100 models.

And yeah, I remember when we switched to automatic faith checks, it was amazing. The old ones were roll for. That being said, Celestine had an automatic one and there was a relic for an automatic one.

We can probably guess that a Simulacrum will be back to adding +1 to faith rolls in an aura and Laud Hailers granting rerolls.

It's a brave new world, gents.

Already posted it to Reddit, but I'll add it here as well, because the new Faith system is disgusting.

I've created a Leafblower Sisters list, because of the way the new AoF system works.

AoF triggers at the beginning of the associated phase, so if you have a way to generate additional microphases of the correct type (ex- Burning Descent generates a shooting microphase), you can trigger AoF at the beginning of that phase. The trick is that you're not limited to the unit which generated the microphase, so if you target your Ebon Chalice Dialogus with the Shoot Twice act (which explicitly says it can be selected to shoot twice in that phase), it gets two shooting phases. Oh, and you gave it Book of Saint Timewalk as a relic. And then use Vessel of the Emperor's Timewalk on the success, and splash it out to your whole army.

Vessel doesn't have any targeting restrictions, so it gives vehicles Shoot Twice.

Tada, your whole army is shooting twice in the Seraphim's microphase.

So far, the most I've been able to get up to is 3 additional shooting phases (ergo every unit in the deathstar can be selected to shoot eight times in a turn). Although only 2 of those can be done on the first turn if you use the newer deepstrike beta rules.

Yeah, that's not going to happen. There's no such thing as a 'shooting microphase'.
Burning Descent, for example, says 'You can immediately shoot with that unit as if it were your shooting phase'. You never enter the Shooting Phase so there's no start of the shooting phase to use an act in.

Basically, even without a faq, I can't see any TO allowing that even if the RAI or RAW supported it, which it looks like it doesn't.

And where are you getting the Shoot Twice act? I haven't seen that posted yet.

PuppetSoul wrote:
Already posted it to Reddit, but I'll add it here as well, because the new Faith system is disgusting.

I've created a Leafblower Sisters list, because of the way the new AoF system works.

AoF triggers at the beginning of the associated phase, so if you have a way to generate additional microphases of the correct type (ex- Burning Descent generates a shooting microphase), you can trigger AoF at the beginning of that phase. The trick is that you're not limited to the unit which generated the microphase, so if you target your Ebon Chalice Dialogus with the Shoot Twice act (which explicitly says it can be selected to shoot twice in that phase), it gets two shooting phases. Oh, and you gave it Book of Saint Timewalk as a relic. And then use Vessel of the Emperor's Timewalk on the success, and splash it out to your whole army.

Vessel doesn't have any targeting restrictions, so it gives vehicles Shoot Twice.

Tada, your whole army is shooting twice in the Seraphim's microphase.

So far, the most I've been able to get up to is 3 additional shooting phases (ergo every unit in the deathstar can be selected to shoot eight times in a turn). Although only 2 of those can be done on the first turn if you use the newer deepstrike beta rules.

You know this isn't going to fly at any real competitive event right? Obviously unintended. No other army gets to shoot more than twice per turn and neither will sisters.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
You know this isn't going to fly at any real competitive event right? Obviously unintended. No other army gets to shoot more than twice per turn and neither will sisters.

I really don't even think we can count it as 'unintended'. It's really reaching.

If the Acts fo Faith is on a D6 then having them at 5+ is pretty rubbish - hopefully St C's reincarnate one is not that fething hard.

At the moment with only a few facts the AOF element seems to be a huge nerf, but the Stats the opposite

So you think that the thing other armies have to pay 3 CP for, to Fight Twice, Sisters should get on a 5+ on 2d6?

RrriiiiIIIIIGGHTt...

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, that's not going to happen. There's no such thing as a 'shooting microphase'.
Burning Descent, for example, says 'You can immediately shoot with that unit as if it were your shooting phase'. You never enter the Shooting Phase so there's no start of the shooting phase to use an act in.

Basically, even without a faq, I can't see any TO allowing that even if the RAI or RAW supported it, which it looks like it doesn't.

And where are you getting the Shoot Twice act? I haven't seen that posted yet.

Warhammer Community site released the SoB beta codex teaser today.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/12/06/6th-dec-faction-focus-sisters-of-battlegw-homepage-post-1/

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, that's not going to happen. There's no such thing as a 'shooting microphase'.
Burning Descent, for example, says 'You can immediately shoot with that unit as if it were your shooting phase'. You never enter the Shooting Phase so there's no start of the shooting phase to use an act in.

Basically, even without a faq, I can't see any TO allowing that even if the RAI or RAW supported it, which it looks like it doesn't.

And where are you getting the Shoot Twice act? I haven't seen that posted yet.

Shoot twice hasn't been posted yet.

The "as if it were your X phase" is the part that generates the microphase. That's how the original AoF and Vanguard move system works, in that Vanguard move can Advance instead of just moving, because the rule says "as if it were the movement phase" instead of just "may move 12" inches" like other scout moves.

It's also why stratagems like Take Cover, etc. can be used during current Acts of Faith: because "as if it were your shooting phase" means you and your opponent can use stratagems that can only be played during your shooting phase. And when that microphase ends, the stratagem ends, and does not carry over to other microphases, even if those microphases are also shooting phases, or to the "real" shooting phase.

So if it has an end, it must also have a beginning. When does it begin? In most cases, immediately after the dice resolved. We currently don't care that phases begin and skip defining that part, because we didn't have anything that triggered during them. Now we do.

 Frowbakk wrote:
So you think that the thing other armies have to pay 3 CP for, to Fight Twice, Sisters should get on a 5+ on 2d6?

RrriiiiIIIIIGGHTt...

It's on a D6, which makes Ebon Chalice basically mandatory given the strength of double-acting.

Vessel of the Emperor’s Will sounds amazing!

I play Horde sisters mostly, iw ill for sure being to have 7-8 AOF a turn without trying.

I still dont know if Penitent Engines will be worth it, it will come down to points, they are very very very easy to kill.

My only concern now is the points, are basic points going up for them? If the rumor is true that SM are going down a 1pt then i cant see why we would go up 1pt,

Also we dont know if AoF will work on vehicles, it might just flat out wont let us, cant wait to see if it does or doesnt b.c that will change how i play.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Vessel of the Emperor’s Will sounds amazing!

I play Horde sisters mostly, iw ill for sure being to have 7-8 AOF a turn without trying.

The AoF resources are generated by model count, and do not regenerate.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Also we dont know if AoF will work on vehicles, it might just flat out wont let us, cant wait to see if it does or doesnt b.c that will change how i play.

Vessel will splash to vehicles unless they FAQ it, because they're Ad Sororitas units, and it has no other targeting restrictions (doesn't care that the unit doesn't have Acts of Faith keyword).

PuppetSoul wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Vessel of the Emperor’s Will sounds amazing!

I play Horde sisters mostly, iw ill for sure being to have 7-8 AOF a turn without trying.

The AoF resources are generated by model count, and do not regenerate.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Also we dont know if AoF will work on vehicles, it might just flat out wont let us, cant wait to see if it does or doesnt b.c that will change how i play.

Vessel will splash to vehicles unless they FAQ it, because they're Ad Sororitas units, and it has no other targeting restrictions (doesn't care that the unit doesn't have Acts of Faith keyword).

I've seen a few post like this. Was there a tease i missed that told us how the Faith points were generated. (I only skimmed the tease today so I could very well missed it)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/12/06/6th-dec-faction-focus-sisters-of-battlegw-homepage-post-1/?fbclid=IwAR25rVlOQdZ4ktXgcTEpj9sMw1QAMKuIDyFE2Msn3exEzxtAHkMSMDEPp0M

 Amishprn86 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/12/06/6th-dec-faction-focus-sisters-of-battlegw-homepage-post-1/?fbclid=IwAR25rVlOQdZ4ktXgcTEpj9sMw1QAMKuIDyFE2Msn3exEzxtAHkMSMDEPp0M

So confirmed 1 per 10. But we have no idea how much they cost or if the points are only generated once per game. Even then most of my lists had 80+ sisters in it so a minimum 8 points and there sounds like theres at least 2 ways to get a +1 nor anything yet saying multiple units can't attempt the same AoF. I'd say in larger games it could very well be a side grade at worst.

We also dont know if HQ's will give more, if we can gain more during battle, what Elite characters will do,what other stratagems will there be, etc..

We will know in a couple weeks tho

 Tauris_Blazestar wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, that's not going to happen. There's no such thing as a 'shooting microphase'.
Burning Descent, for example, says 'You can immediately shoot with that unit as if it were your shooting phase'. You never enter the Shooting Phase so there's no start of the shooting phase to use an act in.

Basically, even without a faq, I can't see any TO allowing that even if the RAI or RAW supported it, which it looks like it doesn't.

And where are you getting the Shoot Twice act? I haven't seen that posted yet.

Warhammer Community site released the SoB beta codex teaser today.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/12/06/6th-dec-faction-focus-sisters-of-battlegw-homepage-post-1/

I know, I'm the one who posted it here. Shoot twice wasn't posted.

 Frowbakk wrote:
So you think that the thing other armies have to pay 3 CP for, to Fight Twice, Sisters should get on a 5+ on 2d6?

RrriiiiIIIIIGGHTt...

IF we only get 8-10 per game AND then have to roll 5+ to make a Act work - its not great esp if St C has to roll 5+ to stand up say.

Wat we don't know is if you get X Faith Points/10 models per battle or per turn or whatever and what Acts do apart from this one.

We also dont know how easy it is to get +1's or if we can get more AoF/AoF points other ways.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
We also dont know how easy it is to get +1's or if we can get more AoF/AoF points other ways.

If we go back to the old days, we'll have real martyrdom again. It used to be whenever a faith generating character died you got one back. This time, it might be 'gain a Faith point for every 10 models you lose'.

Still not quite enough info to tell if things are good or not. The acts of Faith seem good so far, just not really sure how easy it is to get them off. Old school faith you used to get another Faith point when a unit died, so maybe we'll be able to regenerate some. If faith powers continue to be great, and the roll for them is on a D6, then Ebon Chalice may be a definite auto take. Unless it's easy to get other ways to increase the faith rolls.

Strats are a mixed bag so far, don't know enough about relics or warlord traits yet either. I think things are going in the right direction, too many details left out. Excited to find out more though

Glad we finally see some stuff after suffering through days of Narrative play and Open play nonsense.

Not sure about penitents, their downfall has always been being unable to get into combat, not their damage output. Will really come down to cost and armor/invuln save. If they're cheap enough having a couple as a counter attack unit could be useful.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
We also dont know how easy it is to get +1's or if we can get more AoF/AoF points other ways.

Ebon Chalice faction trait is +1 to the roll.

It is mentioned that Dialogus and Simulacrum effect it in some way.

Since the Dialogus does not have legitimate weapons, it's very likely that it has either a +1 or reroll aura.

The Simulacrum will likely be the option the Dialogus isn't.

According to Bob on War of Sigmar, Faith Poitns are generated when you create your army list - so a list with 100 faithful models has an additional 10 Faith points to use for the entire game while a list with 47 has 4.

He also says the tests are on 1d6 and that there are only 3 ways to get +1. We know Ebon Chalice is one of those, the other two are likely Similacrums and Diagolus.

For the record, and as briefly as possible: Wooooooo!!

I almost don't care how playable anything is, I'm just glad to have All The Things.

For a slight shift of topic, it's clear that Ministorum units are in our Codex. There's a reference to "Canoness or Missionary" in terms of Warlord Traits and Relics. What are the odds they've lowered the barrier between factions? Will Priests and PEs run alongside Battle Sisters again?

Also, now that we've seen the new formation/detachment structure from the Vigilus material, any guess on whether we get one o f those right out of the gate?

We've seen the contents page, we're listed in the factions but i didn't see anything in the faction rules section that jumps out as being a section on sisters. So probably no. i could be wrong though.

Forces of the Adepta Sororitas ..... page 94
nothing stands out in the faction rules.
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Screen-Shot-2018-12-03-at-17.43.02-e1543859122664.png

That's the ToC for Vigilus, not for CA2018

My point was that if we were to get a Vigilus style detachment, then we can rule it out of coming from that book rather than CA. Unlike Tau for example who weren't mentioned in Vigilus but are getting their Farsight bodyguard thing in CA, we were mentioned in Vigilus. Which kinda makes it unlikely, although still possible, that they might include it with the beta codex in CA.

It depends whether a detachment is a codex level feature going forward. I could see them using those to drive traffic to supplements and leaving them out of codices. They seem to be good, but not essential.

Just saw leaked points.
Flamers - 6
Heavy Flamers - 14
Combi-Flamer - 8
Combi-Melta - 15
Meltaguns - 14
Multi-Melta - 22
Eviscerator - 11
Inferno Pistol - 7
Plasma Pistol - 5

Repressor - 91 points

So with 2 Storm Bolters and a Heavy Flamer (AKA Factory Specifications) it's 109 points.