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 Melissia wrote:
At least it's better to owe them a beer than a bear.

You're welcome

Which brings up the point that there should be a Sister Vehicular.

Adepta Ministorum Techsister? Techabbess? Techprioress. Techpostulant.

Maybe Sororitas Mechaniplomat or some other less ridiculous name-- a religious diplomat between the ecclesiarchy and mechanicus to try to ensure mechanicus loyalty through preaching the Omnissiah doctrine and denouncing other doctrines that don't encourage worship of the Emperor.

or.... Wrench Wench?

I'd rather the official in-universe title sound respectful as opposed to sexist.

 Melissia wrote:
I'd rather the official in-universe title sound respectful as opposed to sexist.

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Far be it for me to agree with M, but yeah...

I was under the impression that the Mechanicus quietly resents having to support the Sororitas. In fact, I recall someone telling me they were so sore over the Fornosian Accords that they slapped together the immolator and quietly concealed the real STC designs that were recovered and released them later as the hellhound...

I don't think either organization is ready to acknowledge the other's claim of divine right.

 deviantduck wrote:
Adepta Ministorum Techsister? Techabbess? Techprioress. Techpostulant.

in my old fandex I had:

Apparatus Guardianus
The Adepta Sororitas maintain a body of those sanctified and pure of heart to care for the powerful and arcane machinery
at their disposal. Years of training go towards achieving this respected position and aspirants must learn how to
divine the runes of engineering, memorise the liturgy of maintenance and constantly study the routines of service. It is a
position of great honour to care for this sacred technology and the Sororitas were granted this concession from the
Adeptus Mechancius following the Icara Crusade. Apparatus gaurdianus are seldom risked din battle for they are
invaluable in not merely maintaining the Orders weaponry and vehicles but passing that knowledge to their aspirants.

Unlike the Astartes, the Sororitas do not send those they choose to learn the arcane art of technomancy to the metal
worlds of the Mechanicus, but are allowed by ancient treaty to pass on their knowledge within their orders. Aspirants are
few in number and seldom risked in battle if it can be avoided.

Be nice to have something that discusses how the Sororitas maintain their Tech.

 Melissia wrote:
I'd rather the official in-universe title sound respectful as opposed to sexist.

I agree. Fake latin is good.

I've been using AoF to repair tanks.

Spirit heals 1d3 to a unit, doesn't specify infantry.

Granted, I'm in the Imagifers and Celestine works on anything sisters camp, so grain of salt I guess?

 Mmmpi wrote:
I've been using AoF to repair tanks.

Spirit heals 1d3 to a unit, doesn't specify infantry.

Granted, I'm in the Imagifers and Celestine works on anything sisters camp, so grain of salt I guess?

That does bring up a good point though. Why would you ever take a Hospitaller?
A Hospitaller restores wounds within 3" to infantry on a 4+
An imagifer can restore wounds to any Order unit on a 4+ and if you don't want to do that, can trigger other acts of faith.
For 10 points, you get a lot more utility.

Agreed. I don't see any value in the Hospitalier unless you just really love the model or need another Elite choice and have run out of Imagifier models. Speaking of which, I've been running two Imagifiers and a Dialogus but I'm not convinced that they're worth the points. If I drop them and a few random girls I can get another Rhino. How many Imagifiers are you guys running at 2k?

The main reason I got excited about hospitallers over imagifiers in the other thread was before I read the fine print of their rules. If imagifiers healed every squad within that 3" aura they'd be very much a valid option to take instead of imagifiers. But they only heal one :(

 Melissia wrote:
I'd rather the official in-universe title sound respectful as opposed to sexist.

Good point. Instead... Spanner Wench

No.

IandI wrote:
Agreed. I don't see any value in the Hospitalier unless you just really love the model or need another Elite choice and have run out of Imagifier models. Speaking of which, I've been running two Imagifiers and a Dialogus but I'm not convinced that they're worth the points. If I drop them and a few random girls I can get another Rhino. How many Imagifiers are you guys running at 2k?

I have a banner bearer for pretty much every one of my squads, so I just converted them to Imagifers.
I'm running 2 at 1500 and probably 3-4 at 2k.

IandI wrote:
Agreed. I don't see any value in the Hospitalier unless you just really love the model or need another Elite choice and have run out of Imagifier models. Speaking of which, I've been running two Imagifiers and a Dialogus but I'm not convinced that they're worth the points. If I drop them and a few random girls I can get another Rhino. How many Imagifiers are you guys running at 2k?

My 2k list has 5.

 Mythantor wrote:
I just thought it would be cleaner to start a new thred for 8th edition considering the old one is 243 pages.

New thread to herald my return! LoL

Been a few year(s) without posting, but i still get the very best info from this thread.
8th Ed. Sisters are looking good, especially with a few Repressors in the mix. They will have to do until Rhinos / Immolators get Fire points back...


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 deviantduck wrote:

 Hoitash wrote:
On the subject of Forgeworld: are Avenger Strike Fighters still a thing we can take? It's taking me forever to finish painting mine and I'm just curious if there's a point (I'll still finish it of course but figured I'd ask.)

It will be in the FW: Astra Militarum Index that drops Saturday.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Imperial-Armour-Index-Astra-Militarum-2017

As Pretre said, it will most likely not have any valuable keywords for us other than <Imperial>. We don't have any of its rules yet.

Dragging back an old subject, possibly, but these rules are out:
Faction Keywords seem to be: Imperium, Astra Militarum, Aeronautica Imperialis.

Been out of the hobby / loop for too long, but how did we ever get this plane into our Lists in the past?

I vaguely remember some wording in the FW book that they could be Adepta Sororitas Heavy supports, but i've now come to doubt myself as i did not have that book?

IandI wrote:
Agreed. I don't see any value in the Hospitalier unless you just really love the model or need another Elite choice and have run out of Imagifier models. Speaking of which, I've been running two Imagifiers and a Dialogus but I'm not convinced that they're worth the points. If I drop them and a few random girls I can get another Rhino. How many Imagifiers are you guys running at 2k?

That depends on how many Seraphim and Retributors I end up using. Right now, none, because Celestine services the only unit I brought more than adequately, and because Seraphim are insanely expensive, I'm at a shortage for them.

If I can get 2 more [full] Seraphim units, I might go with 3 Imagifiers to launch them forwards, and 2 Retributor units for them to support every turn thereafter.


That's the real question. Right now, my list brings with a Shadowsword for exploding knights and other big things, and reducing the total number of drops I have. The only other things in my backfield are an Exorcist and a Canoness, everything else is Dominions, or Celestine and her Seraphim. Do I want to swap the Shadowsword for 2x additional Seraphim units, 2x Retributor units, and a few Imagifiers? They're a lot of drops, and I don't think they're quite as good as the Shadowsword. The Seraphim and Rets would net me 2 extra CP, though, and I don't feel the 4 I have is quite enough.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

IandI wrote:
Agreed. I don't see any value in the Hospitalier unless you just really love the model or need another Elite choice and have run out of Imagifier models. Speaking of which, I've been running two Imagifiers and a Dialogus but I'm not convinced that they're worth the points. If I drop them and a few random girls I can get another Rhino. How many Imagifiers are you guys running at 2k?

That depends on how many Seraphim and Retributors I end up using. Right now, none, because Celestine services the only unit I brought more than adequately, and because Seraphim are insanely expensive, I'm at a shortage for them.

If I can get 2 more [full] Seraphim units, I might go with 3 Imagifiers to launch them forwards, and 2 Retributor units for them to support every turn thereafter.


That's the real question. Right now, my list brings with a Shadowsword for exploding knights and other big things, and reducing the total number of drops I have. The only other things in my backfield are an Exorcist and a Canoness, everything else is Dominions, or Celestine and her Seraphim. Do I want to swap the Shadowsword for 2x additional Seraphim units, 2x Retributor units, and a few Imagifiers? They're a lot of drops, and I don't think they're quite as good as the Shadowsword. The Seraphim and Rets would net me 2 extra CP, though, and I don't feel the 4 I have is quite enough.

I built a Shadowsword + Brigade list, but it also relies on guard with cheap plasma to make it all fit and also makes some questionable choices based on what I have already painted (does a list really need 20 HB? Handflamers seem overpriced especially in a list that is super tight on points) and trying to limit the cheesiness (No Elysian drop troops instead of scions even though the 2 ppm savings is badly needed, no filling FA slots with a single Cyberwolf and keeping the list to just Sisters and Guard in general).

Mavnas wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

IandI wrote:
Agreed. I don't see any value in the Hospitalier unless you just really love the model or need another Elite choice and have run out of Imagifier models. Speaking of which, I've been running two Imagifiers and a Dialogus but I'm not convinced that they're worth the points. If I drop them and a few random girls I can get another Rhino. How many Imagifiers are you guys running at 2k?

That depends on how many Seraphim and Retributors I end up using. Right now, none, because Celestine services the only unit I brought more than adequately, and because Seraphim are insanely expensive, I'm at a shortage for them.

If I can get 2 more [full] Seraphim units, I might go with 3 Imagifiers to launch them forwards, and 2 Retributor units for them to support every turn thereafter.


That's the real question. Right now, my list brings with a Shadowsword for exploding knights and other big things, and reducing the total number of drops I have. The only other things in my backfield are an Exorcist and a Canoness, everything else is Dominions, or Celestine and her Seraphim. Do I want to swap the Shadowsword for 2x additional Seraphim units, 2x Retributor units, and a few Imagifiers? They're a lot of drops, and I don't think they're quite as good as the Shadowsword. The Seraphim and Rets would net me 2 extra CP, though, and I don't feel the 4 I have is quite enough.

I built a Shadowsword + Brigade list, but it also relies on guard with cheap plasma to make it all fit and also makes some questionable choices based on what I have already painted (does a list really need 20 HB? Handflamers seem overpriced especially in a list that is super tight on points) and trying to limit the cheesiness (No Elysian drop troops instead of scions even though the 2 ppm savings is badly needed, no filling FA slots with a single Cyberwolf and keeping the list to just Sisters and Guard in general).

I don't think I'll be aiming for a full Brigade at 2000, but the 4 I have is fairly, well, thin. I have 1 for seizing the initiative, and 1 reserved for Celestine, which leaves only 2 re-rolls for the Volcano Cannon to get, and no opportunity to break charges or anything of the sort.

Even as is, it has 9 drops, which is bordering on too many, because the other lists in this points level I've seen have about the same amount, and because I can't take charges and am generally capitalizing on Dominions' Vanguard move for an alpha-strike, I can't really afford to go second.

I could drop the Exorcist and add in yet another squad of Dominions, making them share a Repressor with another squad, but then I would be very short on units to secure my backfield and forward natural objectives.

I'm considering switching out more Immolators for Repressors, and taking more Dominions with Meltaguns to make up the difference in antitank power, so I can double-up in transports to further reduce drops.

Yeah, I think that list ends up haviing 18 drops.

I've been taking lists with lots of support units and a bunch of drops so I haven't even come close to going first yet, and it doesn't seem like a big disadvantage, because by the time my opponent has fully deployed I haven't put many meaningful units down. It allows me to carefully counter deploy and put my heavy hitters where they can absorb the opening salvos, and respond in kind. My deployment looks about like this: Support Canoness, Dialogus, Imagifier, Exorcist, priest, HB Retributors, Exorcist, 10 Sisters, Canoness, 5 BSS in Immolator, 10 Sisters, Seraphim, Celestine, Dominions, Dominions. By the time I put down the priest, I have a pretty good idea of what the other guy will be trying to do and act accordingly. With how tough tanks are and easy 2+ saves for ground pounders, I haven't seen much of a serious alpha strike yet ( but I'm sure it'll come) and what has happened so far is my enemies have obligingly driven directly into melta, flamer, and Celestine range. Granted, my first few games have been against assault heavy armies (Ork horde, Wolves in Rhinos, Marines in land raider and Rhinos, Mechanized Death Company) It helps that we play with a lot of terrain, and having 10-12 tall buildings on our tables is very common.


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I haven't even used the Dominions Vanguard rule yet. They've been hiding out and ambushing approaching tank columns-to somewhat mixed results. I've found flamer Immolators to be excellent roadblocks, and have thrown them out to be charge bait. With 3, it's hard to tie up all of them, so she'll fall back and let the others create a rolling volley of auto hit AP -1 fire.

Its an Australian Peel but with flamer thrower tanks and a few chicks with meltaguns...

2000 point game tonight.

Went for a double outrider along with a single spearhead at 2000.

Played a Deathwing list that had a Land Raider Crusader, Belial and all terminators.

My opponent had turn first turn so I null deployed him so he would have to deepstrike in front of my lines (no room behind me or to my side). I failed to seize

He went on to concede at the end of my second turn. All he had left were Belial, an apothecary and a chaplain. I had lost two seraphims and three dominions so a little over 60 points.

We spoke about the game after the fact and he really lost when he decided to keep things in reserve for turn two and dropped units on different flanks. He would have needed to all drop in the same spot to make proper use of Belial and crush one of my flanks. instead he allowed me to pick all of his units apart and was unable to generate enough firepower to open my tanks.

SIsters are in a very good spot this edition. We have mobility and very good weapons to chose from. I have never been this happy to be a sister player

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 deviantduck wrote:

 Hoitash wrote:
On the subject of Forgeworld: are Avenger Strike Fighters still a thing we can take? It's taking me forever to finish painting mine and I'm just curious if there's a point (I'll still finish it of course but figured I'd ask.)

Dragging back an old subject, possibly, but these rules are out:
Faction Keywords seem to be: Imperium, Astra Militarum, Aeronautica Imperialis.

Been out of the hobby / loop for too long, but how did we ever get this plane into our Lists in the past?

I vaguely remember some wording in the FW book that they could be Adepta Sororitas Heavy supports, but i've now come to doubt myself as i did not have that book?

You just add it as a Flyer choice as both AS and AA are Imperium Keywords. It just won't receive any bonuses from anything that enhances "Adepta Sororitas" units but that's the only issue.

Has anyone tried this idea?

6 Doms or 6 BSS with stormbolters in a Repressor. Add 4 Arco flaggelants or DCAs. The arcos jump out and charge when the opportunity is right, while the squad utilises the fire points. You could charge with the Repressor first to absorb the overwatch. 4 arcos do 8d6 S5 attacks, or 4 DCAs 16 -2AP attacks. Doms won't be able to use vanguard though. A BSS unit like this comes out to 252pts.

A group of 3 of these units seems to be a recent starting point for an army.

the_Jakman wrote:
Has anyone tried this idea?

6 Doms or 6 BSS with stormbolters in a Repressor. Add 4 Arco flaggelants or DCAs. The arcos jump out and charge when the opportunity is right, while the squad utilises the fire points. You could charge with the Repressor first to absorb the overwatch. 4 arcos do 8d6 S5 attacks, or 4 DCAs 16 -2AP attacks. Doms won't be able to use vanguard though. A BSS unit like this comes out to 252pts.

A group of 3 of these units seems to be a decent starting point for an army.

16 DCA attacks only kill 4 tactical marines and you'd lose them to pretty much any counter attack, even the remaining 6 tactical marines should swing and kill 3-4 and 4 arcos is wildly unreliable. Then you're combining different range bands, adding unnecessary bodies, gimping one or both units, and there are just so many better options.

Take the points from the 4 DCA and buy 5 seraphim with a hand flamer girl, increases mobility, increases target saturation, excellent for crippling thing like dev squads, honor guards celestine, etc. Trying to cram CQC and shooting into a repressor is just putting too many hats on too many hats.

I do think there's a case for putting DCAs or arcos in a rhino or repressor. It may as well be with battle sisters for the cps I think. Note that actually only <order> infantry are allowed in a repressor. FW may FAQ that at some point.

Obviously you can just buy them their own transport if you like. You don't need the sisters.