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I concur, I toyed with the idea of HB Immolators after my first game when the MM Immolators did Jack squat and the flamer version murdered tons of guys. But for me the auto hits far surpasses the range and cost benefits of the HB version. HB Retributors are cheaper and have more shots, and the extra range doesn't really help because 9 times out of 10 your payload of sisters wants to be close.

I do feel like the Immolation flamer is the best, the HB is okay, and the MM version is not worth the points. I'd rather have a Rhino and more points than the MM Immolator. Also, before anybody says it, I don't own any Repressors so they're out of the discussion.

Have you heard about our lord and savior, Repressor?

Oh Repressor, save us from the sins of our enemies.

I'm agreed on the superiority of the immolation flamer, but I only have one until I convert some more. Heavy bolters I have plenty, and they're not too bad unless you're forced to lean on them for heavy infantry or vehicles. I also need to acquire some more infantry heavy bolters before I can retire the ones on transports. My core group is Forge World-free, so Repressor conversions are far down my list.

I'm also liking Rhinos more and more. I've been messing with doubling up the units in them and haven't suffered for it yet. Vehicles are tough enough to get them where they're going and the chances of losing models in an explosion are not too terrible. I'm thinking of running Rhinos with a BSS unit with 2x melta guns and a combi-melta AND a Retributer unit with 4x heavy flamers. These would follow the Dominion Immos across the table, with meltas to finish off a vehicle that survived the initial melta rush and the flamers to pile on wounds and force saves for the occupants, while the Rhino adds storm bolter shots and screens against charging enemies.

That combo is just under 300 points. In a 1500 point game, one could run 2x Immos full of melta Doms, 1x Seraphim with flamers, 2x BSS w/ melta loadout and 2x Rets with heavy flamers doubled up in Rhinos, 1x HB Rets to stand in the back, Celestine, Canoness, and a few flex points to suit one's style. At 2000, add Exorcists, storm bolter blobs, Priests, Imagifiers, and make your way to a Brigade.

I am going to be retiring my rhinos in favor of Repressors. The cost difference vs what you get is too good to ignore.

I have seen the light! Glory to the Repressor hallelujah!!! May the burning remains of heretics light my path and guide me to salvation.

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
I am going to be retiring my rhinos in favor of Repressors. The cost difference vs what you get is too good to ignore.

I have seen the light! Glory to the Repressor hallelujah!!! May the burning remains of heretics light my path and guide me to salvation.

Didn't care for repressor spam in 7th, still don't care for it in 8th. I always, always regret not having better target saturation, better range, and a vehicle that's plenty terrifying on it's own once the girls hop out when I take a repressor.

I'd take it for melta girls but more than 1 or 2 just seems...icky to me.

Well I am going to talk about what you guys would say is sacrilegious and thats having a Ministorum army with no Sisters of Battle (except Celestine she basically fights with Astra Militarum or Sisters and her personal background is OK so she can come), So I intend to build an assault based list using Arco-Flagellants and the like in Rhino's trundling up the board and then unleashing the maniacs.

I intend to bring in support form the Astra Militarum to deal with flyers and Tanks (although I am deciding what form that support should take).

The reason for this is quite simple, I am not a fan of the Nuns with guns! I am not a fan of how they play which is mid/close range firepower and I am not a fan of their Aesthetic or Fluff. I am a fan however of the rest of the Ecclesiarchy namely the Frateris Militia (http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Frateris_Militia) .

I think Arco flagellants are excellent and only Khorne Berzerkers compete with them for sheer number of attacks. Penitent Engines I think have potential I am not sure whether I will take them at the moment (if I could get people's thoughts on these that would be great) .

I am not sure whether Death cult Assassins or Crusaders are worth it compared to Arco-Flagellants I will have to have a look and make up my mind (again people's thoughts on this would be great) .

So people's opinions on the Crusaders, Death cult assassins, Arco flagellants and Death cult Assassins would be nice and feel free to try and convert me to Sisters (I don't think you will make me repent but you can try!)

ERJAK wrote:

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
I am going to be retiring my rhinos in favor of Repressors. The cost difference vs what you get is too good to ignore.

I have seen the light! Glory to the Repressor hallelujah!!! May the burning remains of heretics light my path and guide me to salvation.

Didn't care for repressor spam in 7th, still don't care for it in 8th. I always, always regret not having better target saturation, better range, and a vehicle that's plenty terrifying on it's own once the girls hop out when I take a repressor.

I'd take it for melta girls but more than 1 or 2 just seems...icky to me.

The Repressor is the same cost as a similarly loaded Immolator, so you're not getting any more target saturation. It's more durable than Rhinos or Immolators, has the same firepower as an Immolator with 2x Flamers (albiet with lesser range/mobility,) and makes for a vastly superior transport than Immolators and a somewhat better one than Rhinos.
Where's the drawback?


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0604854:
I've used a Penitent Engine twice. Once against a shootybangbang list, once against a semi-shooty Death Guard list.
Against pure ShootyBangBang, it wasn't great, but against the hybrid list, it did wonders. On the charge it does enough damage to kill most midstrength enemies, and thanks to its 'Double-attack' ability, you could potentially move 12" in the Fight phase through pile in and consolidation. I was able to literally rampage across the board with mine, which was one of my favorite moments from 8th so far.

Waaaghpower wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
I am going to be retiring my rhinos in favor of Repressors. The cost difference vs what you get is too good to ignore.

I have seen the light! Glory to the Repressor hallelujah!!! May the burning remains of heretics light my path and guide me to salvation.

Didn't care for repressor spam in 7th, still don't care for it in 8th. I always, always regret not having better target saturation, better range, and a vehicle that's plenty terrifying on it's own once the girls hop out when I take a repressor.

I'd take it for melta girls but more than 1 or 2 just seems...icky to me.

The Repressor is the same cost as a similarly loaded Immolator, so you're not getting any more target saturation. It's more durable than Rhinos or Immolators, has the same firepower as an Immolator with 2x Flamers (albiet with lesser range/mobility,) and makes for a vastly superior transport than Immolators and a somewhat better one than Rhinos.
Where's the drawback?


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0604854:
I've used a Penitent Engine twice. Once against a shootybangbang list, once against a semi-shooty Death Guard list.
Against pure ShootyBangBang, it wasn't great, but against the hybrid list, it did wonders. On the charge it does enough damage to kill most midstrength enemies, and thanks to its 'Double-attack' ability, you could potentially move 12" in the Fight phase through pile in and consolidation. I was able to literally rampage across the board with mine, which was one of my favorite moments from 8th so far.

I am thinking with the Flagellants in Rhino's also drawing firepower that these guys could get into the fight and do some good damage.

I am still keeping my Immolators it is just the rhinos that are being replaced

 pretre wrote:
No biggie. That's basically not a source.

Hindsight's 20-20, neh, what with the announcement of 10 codexes by the end of the year? That's about 2 a month

Taikishi wrote:

 pretre wrote:
No biggie. That's basically not a source.

Hindsight's 20-20, neh, what with the announcement of 10 codexes by the end of the year? That's about 2 a month

Even a broken clock.


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0604854 wrote:
The reason for this is quite simple, I am not a fan of the Nuns with guns! I am not a fan of how they play which is mid/close range firepower and I am not a fan of their Aesthetic or Fluff. I am a fan however of the rest of the Ecclesiarchy namely the Frateris Militia (http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Frateris_Militia) .

I think you may be in the wrong thread.

"Certain armies will get new miniatures alongside their new codex, and others won’t."

Is it cynical to feel like they're talking to me?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/05/codexes-your-questions-answered-july-5gw-homepage-post-2/

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0604854 wrote:
The reason for this is quite simple, I am not a fan of the Nuns with guns! I am not a fan of how they play which is mid/close range firepower and I am not a fan of their Aesthetic or Fluff. I am a fan however of the rest of the Ecclesiarchy namely the Frateris Militia (http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Frateris_Militia) .

I think you may be in the wrong thread.

I agree. Sounds more like you want to play Guard and Ecclesiarchy. There's nothing wrong with that, but I'm not positive you're going to find what you're looking for here. Also, Conscripts probably make better Frateris Militia than Crusaders and Arco-Flagellants

 pretre wrote:

Taikishi wrote:

 pretre wrote:
No biggie. That's basically not a source.

Hindsight's 20-20, neh, what with the announcement of 10 codexes by the end of the year? That's about 2 a month

Even a broken clock.

Honestly, considering GW themselves said they were going to be aggressive in getting Codexes out, the part about how quickly the codexes were coming combined with what we'd been hearing locally was totally believable. The order? *shrugs* I'll believe the order of release when I hear it from GW.

And MacPhail, I want to believe but I'm expecting Sisters to be left out in the cold. Again.

0604854 wrote:
I think Arco flagellants are excellent and only Khorne Berzerkers compete with them for sheer number of attacks. Penitent Engines I think have potential I am not sure whether I will take them at the moment (if I could get people's thoughts on these that would be great) .

I am not sure whether Death cult Assassins or Crusaders are worth it compared to Arco-Flagellants I will have to have a look and make up my mind (again people's thoughts on this would be great) .

So people's opinions on the Crusaders, Death cult assassins, Arco flagellants and Death cult Assassins would be nice and feel free to try and convert me to Sisters (I don't think you will make me repent but you can try!)

I tried the crusaders, and I found they died to easily from morale while not packing enough punch. They can have a use of charging nasty CC unit that strike with small number of high S low AP attacks to tank them for a while with the 3++, but that's about it.
Death cults and arcos are both greats, it mostly depends on the target. I did some maths a while back comparing 10 death cults to 9 arcos + priest (170pts each), and as expected arcos a better at cleaning hordes but deathcults are better against everything from MEQ and above.

Did talk about the Designer's commentary that made HB rets really good?

(Non-shooting phase attacks can target characters.)

Was that confirmed anywhere ?

0604854 wrote:

The reason for this is quite simple, I am not a fan of the Nuns with guns! I am not a fan of how they play which is mid/close range firepower and I am not a fan of their Aesthetic or Fluff. I am a fan however of the rest of the Ecclesiarchy namely the Frateris Militia (http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Frateris_Militia) .

You're in the wrong place, my friend.

As for the other stuff [non Sisters-of-Battle stuff], I don't see a compelling reason to have it as an auxiliary to Guard. [Addendum: I don't see a compelling reason to have it a all.] You'd do better with just Guardsmen and their artillery.


Actually, I don't think Celestine is super viable in an IG list either. She needs to advance on the enemy to be effective, and without any other Sisters units, you're wasting an Act of Faith. There aren't any Imperial Guard units that can keep up with her, so she's going to be well beyond your front line and shot to death. A couple artillery pieces, or a Leman Russ tank variant of your choice, would contribute more to your force.


Anyway, I would recommend asking the Guard for tactica. After all, if you're not playing Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Battle tactica isn't particularly valuable to you, is it.

 pretre wrote:
Did talk about the Designer's commentary that made HB rets really good?

(Non-shooting phase attacks can target characters.)

Wait.. what?

 deviantduck wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Did talk about the Designer's commentary that made HB rets really good?

(Non-shooting phase attacks can target characters.)

Wait.. what?

Q. When can I target an enemy Character that has a
Wounds characteristic of less than 10?
A. Such a Character can only be targeted in the
Shooting phase if it is the nearest visible model to
the firing model. You can target enemy Characters
without restriction in the Psychic phase*, Charge
phase, Fight phase, etc. You may also make shooting
attacks at enemy Characters which occur outside the
Shooting phase (i.e. when resolving Overwatch in the
Charge phase).
*Note, however, that some psychic powers, such as Smite, do
not target units but instead affect the nearest enemy unit.

Right... but then it reads:

Divine Guidance: The unit can immediately shoot as if it were the
Shooting phase.

So the first person I try that against goes "it's just like it's the shooting phase". So just like in the shooting phase, you can't.

Unless 'psychic powers say as if it were the shooting phase' too.

I agree. Overwatch is not a shooting attack "as if it were the shooting phase". It's not comparable to our act of faith.

Overwatch is resolved like a normal
shooting attack (albeit one resolved in the enemy’s Charge
phase) and uses all the normal rules except that a 6 is
always required for a successful hit roll, irrespective of the
firing model’s Ballistic Skill or any modifiers.


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Characters
Some models are noted as being a
Character on their datasheet.
These heroes, officers, prophets
and warlords are powerful
individuals that can have a great
impact on the course of a battle.
The swirling maelstrom of the
battlefield can make it difficult
to pick out such individuals as
targets, however. A Character
can only be chosen as a target in
the Shooting phase if they are the
closest visible enemy unit to the
model that is shooting. This does
not apply to Characters with
a Wounds characteristic of 10 or
more, due to their sheer size.

I see your point, there's just no way I could sell that to my opponent without a FAQ.

Yeah it's pretty clear why overwatch bypass the character rule. It's a shooting attack that happen during the charge phase (it litterally say so). So a rule that applies during the shooting phase has no power here.

On the other hand, during our AoF we shoot as if we were in the shooting phase. So for the purpose of the AoF shooting attack, we have to consider we're in the shooting phase.

P.S.: Also the character rule is a modifier of the normal shooting attack rules, not part of it.

I generally agree. I believe this also limits shooting based on having Advanced via AoF?

Hello everyone, I'm new to this forum and a new player of the Sisters of Battle (750 ponts more or less) ,and I have a few questions regarding this army and I hope you brothers and sisters can help me!


The first one is about Sisters of Battle Dominion squad with new acts of faith combo. According to the index, the dominion sisters can move at the begining of the game because of a special rule. Can I move, then Act of Faith hand of the Emperor (to move again) and then move normally like moving phase? I think this is a good combo to hunt monsters with a full melta squad. Any suggestion or combos for the sisters?


The next one is about Celestine. She is my commander and, she is great, I absolutely love her and think she is one of the strongest Sisters of battle units in the codex. My friends are scared of Celestine because of this, and will always try to focus and kill her the fastest way possible. Any tips on proecting Celestine like for example hiding her in buildings? Any strategy to play her the optimal way possible? Thanks


Sorry if my english is kinda lame, but i hope you guys can understand it.


Have a good night!

 HollowAcid wrote:
Hello everyone, I'm new to this forum and a new player of the Sisters of Battle (750 ponts more or less) ,and I have a few questions regarding this army and I hope you brothers and sisters can help me!


The first one is about Sisters of Battle Dominion squad with new acts of faith combo. According to the index, the dominion sisters can move at the begining of the game because of a special rule. Can I move, then Act of Faith hand of the Emperor (to move again) and then move normally like moving phase? I think this is a good combo to hunt monsters with a full melta squad. Any suggestion or combos for the sisters?


The next one is about Celestine. She is my commander and, she is great, I absolutely love her and think she is one of the strongest Sisters of battle units in the codex. My friends are scared of Celestine because of this, and will always try to focus and kill her the fastest way possible. Any tips on proecting Celestine like for example hiding her in buildings? Any strategy to play her the optimal way possible? Thanks


Sorry if my english is kinda lame, but i hope you guys can understand it.


Have a good night!

First: No, you can't. Because Acts of Faith occur before the movement phase, and a vehicle is ineligible to be the target of an Act of Faith, Dominions cannot move under Vanguard, move under Hand of the Emperor, and then disembark/move in the movement phase, because they'll still be loaded up in their transport at the time Hand of the Emperor occurs and aren't on the board to act.

Second: Seraphim or Dominions are fairly effective at protecting Celestine. She is a character, and cannot be targeted if a friendly unit is closer than she is, so Seraphim, who match her movement, and Dominions, who can get ahead of her with their Vanguard move, make good bodyguards. Hiding Celestine isn't something you want to do, because her shooting attack is hilariously weak. You want her to be in the enemy's face and hacking those traitors and xenos apart with her sword. Seraphim are better bodyguards than Dominions, because they can join her in the hack-and-slashing without a significant reduction in efficiency, but if you don't have any, just stay behind a Dominion squad. Also, the Dominions' transport can make an excellent bodyguard for her, just keep it between her and the scary enemy that might kill her.

I run Celestine either alone in small games or accompanied by a block of Seraphim. The Seraphim can help to soften up enemies and screen Celestine from fire, and are the target for the Saintly Blessings ability, so that both them and Celestine move up 12+D6" as an Act of Faith, and then move another 12" during their movement phase, then charge in the charge phase together.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 HollowAcid wrote:
Hello everyone, I'm new to this forum and a new player of the Sisters of Battle (750 ponts more or less) ,and I have a few questions regarding this army and I hope you brothers and sisters can help me!


The first one is about Sisters of Battle Dominion squad with new acts of faith combo. According to the index, the dominion sisters can move at the begining of the game because of a special rule. Can I move, then Act of Faith hand of the Emperor (to move again) and then move normally like moving phase? I think this is a good combo to hunt monsters with a full melta squad. Any suggestion or combos for the sisters?


The next one is about Celestine. She is my commander and, she is great, I absolutely love her and think she is one of the strongest Sisters of battle units in the codex. My friends are scared of Celestine because of this, and will always try to focus and kill her the fastest way possible. Any tips on proecting Celestine like for example hiding her in buildings? Any strategy to play her the optimal way possible? Thanks


Sorry if my english is kinda lame, but i hope you guys can understand it.


Have a good night!

First: No, you can't. Because Acts of Faith occur before the movement phase, and a vehicle is ineligible to be the target of an Act of Faith, Dominions cannot move under Vanguard, move under Hand of the Emperor, and then disembark/move in the movement phase, because they'll still be loaded up in their transport at the time Hand of the Emperor occurs and aren't on the board to act.

Second: Seraphim or Dominions are fairly effective at protecting Celestine. She is a character, and cannot be targeted if a friendly unit is closer than she is, so Seraphim, who match her movement, and Dominions, who can get ahead of her with their Vanguard move, make good bodyguards. Hiding Celestine isn't something you want to do, because her shooting attack is hilariously weak. You want her to be in the enemy's face and hacking those traitors and xenos apart with her sword. Seraphim are better bodyguards than Dominions, because they can join her in the hack-and-slashing without a significant reduction in efficiency, but if you don't have any, just stay behind a Dominion squad. Also, the Dominions' transport can make an excellent bodyguard for her, just keep it between her and the scary enemy that might kill her.

I run Celestine either alone in small games or accompanied by a block of Seraphim. The Seraphim can help to soften up enemies and screen Celestine from fire, and are the target for the Saintly Blessings ability, so that both them and Celestine move up 12+D6" as an Act of Faith, and then move another 12" during their movement phase, then charge in the charge phase together.

Thanks for the tips!

My army consists of:

Celestine and her bodyguards
1 Canoness
2 Imagifiers
20 Battle Sisters
1 Immolator
1 Penitent Engine
1 Rhino
5 Sisters of Silence
1 Canonness

and then 17 space marines that I play them like regular battle sisters since it's an expensive army and I can't afford the official price ones, so I stick with these guys and slowly replace them with sisters.


How should I continue my army? Maybe repentias or seraphims? Or stack even more battle sisters? Thanks for your help!

Be on the lookout for good options on ebay and in your local game circles to start building your collection. I'd say mess around with different unit builds, convert some combi weapons, and get your core force together, which probably doesn't need Repentia as much as fully loaded Dominions and Retributers. Play some games with different tactical outlooks too... fast vs. heavy vs. mech vs. blob, and proxy your Marines in casual games to try units you don't own.