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I don't really see potential in Martyrdom or the Blade. I mean I guess they don't cost points.

Jancoran wrote:I played by friend twice with his Tyranids and wiped him both times.

Thus far the Carnifex has impressed me (dont know what it costs but I damn sure learned what it can do). Nothing else impresses me. I feel like they have more potential than previous because they definitely bit back hard, but I did not fel the game was in doubt at any point.

So I am somewhat unconvinced that a lot of changes are needed to account for them. I think volume of fire is still totally solid against Tyranids and I think that flamers are especially effective against their "-1 to hit" shenanigans.

I know I will fight progressively tougher versions but so far nothing has struck me as overly dangerous. Except Carnifex's. they are good. Probably Exocrines too.

Tyranids have a pretty strong deep strike ability, which I'm concerned about at least. I've been concerned about it from the beginning, but the re-roll failed charges thing is, at least in my mind, a serious problem when combined with Trygons, 'stealers, and Hormagaunts.

So with the points adjustment in Chapter Approved my list suddenly had another 72 points to play with. With a little jiggering here and there of other squads I managed to add a few extra Sister's and an Eversor assassin. Have any of you tried out or faced off against old crazy skull mask in 8th?

My current list went up 118 points with no changes. I have 2 Xiphons in the mail and they went up 30 points each... Ugh. Not sure if they're worth fielding at 240 points each now.

My list went up 121pts.

I will need to either take 1 less vehicle or move some units to troops and take 1 vehicle for 2.

Yeah mine went up by about 80. I was pretty upset for a bit because a 28% increase on the repressor seemed excessive before I released that most of the stuff I struggled with went up by way more.

I'll most likely be dropping my bike libby, culuxess assassin, acolytes, and adding a detachment of a canoness and 3x Dialogus.

The eversor is pretty good this edition, especially as a counter charge unit.

The Nid and BA preview just reinforce the importance of screening units and good deployment.

Rynner wrote:
Yeah mine went up by about 80. I was pretty upset for a bit because a 28% increase on the repressor seemed excessive before I released that most of the stuff I struggled with went up by way more.

I'll most likely be dropping my bike libby, culuxess assassin, acolytes, and adding a detachment of a canoness and 3x Dialogus.

A martyr farm?

DIALOGUS? CHARGE!




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I've been thinking of taking more imagifers now that they have two uses.

 pretre wrote:
DIALOGUS? CHARGE!




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I've been thinking of taking more imagifers now that they have two uses.

Yeah, i'm thinking of taking 1 as well, i just thought about take 2 Ret HB units with 2 Imagifiers. I needed to cut out a unit and vehicle, but thinking of taking out 2 of my 7 lol.

 MacPhail wrote:

Rynner wrote:
Yeah mine went up by about 80. I was pretty upset for a bit because a 28% increase on the repressor seemed excessive before I released that most of the stuff I struggled with went up by way more.

I'll most likely be dropping my bike libby, culuxess assassin, acolytes, and adding a detachment of a canoness and 3x Dialogus.

A martyr farm?

Yeah but I want to see the exact wording of the rule when the book drops.

@Amishprn86 I tried that a GT. Afterwards I found it generally would have been better to just buy a 3rd heavy bolter squad. However with the Stratagem and the modified character rules imagifers might have their place again although I doubt it.

I've been running 2 Imagifiers in the back with a clear purpose (HB Rets) and one up front with the melee Canoness whose role has been a little muddy. Sometimes she activates melta Doms shooting, sometimes she slingshots the Canoness into a distant fight, but I think her role just got a little more obvious.

What's the new detail about how characters function?

My 2000 pt tourney list went up by exactly 200 points (ouch), so I’m having to make some tough decisions, at least the rules on the Repressors didn’t get a nerf...

Points increases-
Solo Celestine 50
6 Repressors 120
Temp Prime Command Rod 5
5 Scions meltaguns 25

As was mentioned previously, some of my toughest opponents’ units also went up, so I don’t feel too shafted.

 MacPhail wrote:
I've been running 2 Imagifiers in the back with a clear purpose (HB Rets) and one up front with the melee Canoness whose role has been a little muddy. Sometimes she activates melta Doms shooting, sometimes she slingshots the Canoness into a distant fight, but I think her role just got a little more obvious.

What's the new detail about how characters function?

Supposedly you can not target a character unless they are closest unit. So if there is a unit of grots 1" from you out of LOS but a weird boy that is in the open but is 1.1" from you the grots prevent you from targeting the character.

Rynner wrote:

 MacPhail wrote:
I've been running 2 Imagifiers in the back with a clear purpose (HB Rets) and one up front with the melee Canoness whose role has been a little muddy. Sometimes she activates melta Doms shooting, sometimes she slingshots the Canoness into a distant fight, but I think her role just got a little more obvious.

What's the new detail about how characters function?

Supposedly you can not target a character unless they are closest unit. So if there is a unit of grots 1" from you out of LOS but a weird boy that is in the open but is 1.1" from you the grots prevent you from targeting the character.

If i remember correctly unit counts as closest if you can se them, so in this example you can shoot to weirdboy.

 Spera wrote:

Rynner wrote:

 MacPhail wrote:
I've been running 2 Imagifiers in the back with a clear purpose (HB Rets) and one up front with the melee Canoness whose role has been a little muddy. Sometimes she activates melta Doms shooting, sometimes she slingshots the Canoness into a distant fight, but I think her role just got a little more obvious.

What's the new detail about how characters function?

Supposedly you can not target a character unless they are closest unit. So if there is a unit of grots 1" from you out of LOS but a weird boy that is in the open but is 1.1" from you the grots prevent you from targeting the character.

If i remember correctly unit counts as closest if you can se them, so in this example you can shoot to weirdboy.

The rumored new rule states that regardless of LOS, if the character is not the nearest unit it cannot be shot at.


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Question for the thread: If a squad is embarked on a Repressor, is it able to use an AoF to shoot out of the firing ports (Divine Guidance)?

 davidgr33n wrote:

Question for the thread: If a squad is embarked on a Repressor, is it able to use an AoF to shoot out of the firing ports (Divine Guidance)?

No

 dracpanzer wrote:

 davidgr33n wrote:

Question for the thread: If a squad is embarked on a Repressor, is it able to use an AoF to shoot out of the firing ports (Divine Guidance)?

No

Didn’t think so and have never played it that way, but I read on another site that you could.
Thanks

Rynner wrote:
Yeah but I want to see the exact wording of the rule when the book drops.

"Use this Strategem at the end of a phase in which an Adepta Sororitas character from your army has been slain. REMOVE THAT UNIT FROM THE BATTLEFIELD. Roll a d6, on a roll of 2+ one unit from your army with the Act of Faith ability can perform an Act of Faith."

Thanks for the leak. The Stratagem is okay. Time will tell how good it is in practice.

Is the Blade of Admonition only damage 1?

PanzerLeader wrote:
Is the Blade of Admonition only damage 1?

Looks like standard "3" to me.


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Rynner wrote:
Thanks for the leak. The Stratagem is okay. Time will tell how good it is in practice.

I think it definitely has some possibilities with how cheap Dialogus are. Riding in a transport with BSS or Rets, vehicle gets crushed, lose a model? Dialogus takes the hit and 2+ to get a free AoF for Celestine. Or you use them to hold objectives and opponents may think twice about clearing you off it knowng Celestine takes it so personal. Even if all you are doing is healing Celestine, thats enough. But imagine martyrdom popping during your opponents shooting phase allowing you to move his charge target a full move + adv out of the way. Will be fun if you get imaginitive and a bit lucky.

The Deny power is nice. A 4+ with a re-roll to deny buffed up Magnus isn't so bad when it only costs you CP and you don't have to get in to the psyker business to even compete. May not need to use it all the time, but there are moments you really don't want a power to go off for your opponent and a couple CP is fairly cheap knowing you can quite reliably do so.

@dracpanzer: I hope its a 3. I think I'm going to shuffle some characters around in my list so that I can a Blade canoness, Celestine, and a thunder hammer marine captain for counter-assault alongside my flagellants.

Has anyone had luck incorporating stock hereticus inquisition units into a sisters list? I've found them pretty overpriced for what they do.

Ha. Okay, those are pretty okay. The two stratagems are both solid and the blade on a Geminae or Canoness is solid as well.

It bothers me that you have to pay 29 points for a Gemini instead of 25 because of the powersword.

I think I just like round numbers.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
It bothers me that you have to pay 29 points for a Gemini instead of 25 because of the powersword.

I think I just like round numbers.

You don't pay for their wargear

 pretre wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
It bothers me that you have to pay 29 points for a Gemini instead of 25 because of the powersword.

I think I just like round numbers.

You don't pay for their wargear

Spoiler:

AHHHHHHHHHH *melts*

Thanks.

I... I'm bad.

Now to find some ways to make an alternate dialogous so I don't have to buy a bunch of the bad ones.


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So funny list:

Brigade at 2k
C+2G - 250
Canoness with Evis/BP - 57 (with SOB 1 in Rhino)
Canoness with Evis/BP - 57 (with SOB 2 in Rhino)
5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 228
5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 228
8 Seraph with 4 IP, Sup with CS/BP - 124
8 Seraph with 4 IP, Sup with CS/BP - 124
5 BSS with 3 SB in Rhino - 126
5 BSS with 3 SB in Rhino - 126
5 BSS with 3 SB in Rhino - 126
5 BSS with 3 SB in Immo - 154
5 BSS with 3 SB in Immo - 154
5 BSS with 3 SB in Immo - 154
Dialogus - 15
Dialogus - 15
Dialogus - 15
Dialogus - 15
Dialogus - 15
Dialogus - 15

Each Canoness rides in a Rhino with BSS. Dialogous in every BSS transport. Relic to one of the Gems.



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And I definitely don't have that many dialogus or SB.

it would probably be better to condense the dialogus into immagifiers for the purposes of faith economy. I mean if we're going to go down the route of generating faith through martyrdom we might as well double down with it. Try to make it so that for every 1 turn the enemy gets we effectively get 2 turns.

I still don't see a Gemini being able to take the relic sword. It goes against every other codex.

 deviantduck wrote:
I still don't see a Gemini being able to take the relic sword. It goes against every other codex.

Ok. Sounds like YMDC!