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AM vs Tau : Tau victory

Saw a pair of those larger battlesuits wipe out a pair of pristine leman russ's in a single round of shooting. Damn things are powerful, especially the triple flamers the damn things were packing

 ChargerIIC wrote:
AM vs Tau : Tau victory

Saw a pair of those larger battlesuits wipe out a pair of pristine leman russ's in a single round of shooting. Damn things are powerful, especially the triple flamers the damn things were packing

Forgeworld BS. Why people defend forgeworld is beyond me. Back to our regularly scheduled program.

 Jancoran wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
AM vs Tau : Tau victory

Saw a pair of those larger battlesuits wipe out a pair of pristine leman russ's in a single round of shooting. Damn things are powerful, especially the triple flamers the damn things were packing

Forgeworld BS. Why people defend forgeworld is beyond me. Back to our regularly scheduled program.

I'm just going to chime in and say I agree. I hope anyone who likes Forgeworld faces 2 fire raptors and Azrael every game for the rest of their life.

 Jancoran wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
AM vs Tau : Tau victory

Saw a pair of those larger battlesuits wipe out a pair of pristine leman russ's in a single round of shooting. Damn things are powerful, especially the triple flamers the damn things were packing

Forgeworld BS. Why people defend forgeworld is beyond me. Back to our regularly scheduled program.

Because the most offensive models in 7th were from good 'ol GW. FW hating is so 5th ed.

 Marmatag wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
AM vs Tau : Tau victory

Saw a pair of those larger battlesuits wipe out a pair of pristine leman russ's in a single round of shooting. Damn things are powerful, especially the triple flamers the damn things were packing

Forgeworld BS. Why people defend forgeworld is beyond me. Back to our regularly scheduled program.

I'm just going to chime in and say I agree. I hope anyone who likes Forgeworld faces 2 fire raptors and Azrael every game for the rest of their life.

Good thing Forge World gives us the tools to do that!

 Marmatag wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
AM vs Tau : Tau victory

Saw a pair of those larger battlesuits wipe out a pair of pristine leman russ's in a single round of shooting. Damn things are powerful, especially the triple flamers the damn things were packing

Forgeworld BS. Why people defend forgeworld is beyond me. Back to our regularly scheduled program.

I'm just going to chime in and say I agree. I hope anyone who likes Forgeworld faces 2 fire raptors and Azrael every game for the rest of their life.

I'd rather face Fire Raptors than conscripts at this point.

 Jancoran wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
AM vs Tau : Tau victory

Saw a pair of those larger battlesuits wipe out a pair of pristine leman russ's in a single round of shooting. Damn things are powerful, especially the triple flamers the damn things were packing

Forgeworld BS. Why people defend forgeworld is beyond me. Back to our regularly scheduled program.

Yes, how dare ~800 points take out ~300 points.... You do realize a Y'Vahra is 400ish points with it's main weapon having an 8 inch range?

Deadawake1347 wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
AM vs Tau : Tau victory

Saw a pair of those larger battlesuits wipe out a pair of pristine leman russ's in a single round of shooting. Damn things are powerful, especially the triple flamers the damn things were packing

Forgeworld BS. Why people defend forgeworld is beyond me. Back to our regularly scheduled program.

Yes, how dare ~800 points take out ~300 points.... You do realize a Y'Vahra is 400ish points with it's main weapon having an 8 inch range?

Its range is irrelevant as you know. spare me.

Not if the Russes are wrapped up 20" deep in conscripts.

 Jancoran wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
AM vs Tau : Tau victory

Saw a pair of those larger battlesuits wipe out a pair of pristine leman russ's in a single round of shooting. Damn things are powerful, especially the triple flamers the damn things were packing

Forgeworld BS. Why people defend forgeworld is beyond me. Back to our regularly scheduled program.

Yes, how dare ~800 points take out ~300 points.... You do realize a Y'Vahra is 400ish points with it's main weapon having an 8 inch range?

Its range is irrelevant as you know. spare me.

Even assuming the range is irrelevant, which is not the case as guard can easily shut it off from it's prime targets with proper screening, you still don't think that you should be able to remove a bit over a third of your point value? I could understand if it was equivalent points, or close to it, but for the cost of the two Y'Vahra you can take what, five Leman Russes?

Deadawake1347 wrote:
Even assuming the range is irrelevant, which is not the case as guard can easily shut it off from it's prime targets with proper screening, you still don't think that you should be able to remove a bit over a third of your point value? I could understand if it was equivalent points, or close to it, but for the cost of the two Y'Vahra you can take what, five Leman Russes?

Damn near exactly.

Martel732 wrote:
Not if the Russes are wrapped up 20" deep in conscripts.

MM hm. We're going to go down the boogeyman route with this like we do everything else? I understand the Conscript thing. I do. What does any of that have to do with the actual Y'Vahra? That SAME conscript problem exists for ALL units ,so naming them as a specific justification for allowing a broken thing or excusing it isn't really working for me. If the Conscript thing were UNIQUELY effective against the thing sure. But no. So no. A thing is broken itf a thing is broken, regardless of whether something clever can slow it down because the "something" in that sentence does the same to all kinds of units.

How many FW units are actually OP though? Or are we calling the FW line all OP because of a battlesuit and a flyer?

When a significant number of top lists are based on FW models that should tell you something.

What good is GW's playtesting if FW can just show up and invalidate it?

The game would be more balanced without Forgeworld. That should be reason enough to ditch it.

 Marmatag wrote:
When a significant number of top lists are based on FW models that should tell you something.

What good is GW's playtesting if FW can just show up and invalidate it?

The game would be more balanced without Forgeworld. That should be reason enough to ditch it.

Ah you mean like the top lists that are based off of Stormravens or Magnus or Horrors or Berzerkers or Noise Marines or Conscripts or Azrael's parking lot or Razorwings or Boyz or Genestealers. Yes the top tier lists are just flooded with FW.

Since the nerf not much is based on storm ravens.

Orks and Dark Angels absolutely have forgeworld in the list at the top tiers.

 Marmatag wrote:
Since the nerf not much is based on storm ravens.

Orks and Dark Angels absolutely have forgeworld in the list at the top tiers.

Not that I've seen in any major tournament: Orks have been running Boy spam with Weirdboy transportation and grot gun support, Dark Angels have been running Azrael's parking lot with some Termies thrown in for alpha strike and bikers for anti-horde.

Two games on the weekend.

Imperial Fists v World Eaters - WE win (it was close)

Imperial Fists v Tyranids - Tyranids got wrecked

 Jancoran wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Not if the Russes are wrapped up 20" deep in conscripts.

MM hm. We're going to go down the boogeyman route with this like we do everything else? I understand the Conscript thing. I do. What does any of that have to do with the actual Y'Vahra? That SAME conscript problem exists for ALL units ,so naming them as a specific justification for allowing a broken thing or excusing it isn't really working for me. If the Conscript thing were UNIQUELY effective against the thing sure. But no. So no. A thing is broken itf a thing is broken, regardless of whether something clever can slow it down because the "something" in that sentence does the same to all kinds of units.

My point really is that gw puts out plenty of stuff as broken or more than fw.

SoB vs IW (codex) : Sisters win

Codex CSM: Black Legion vs. Tau - Black Legion win
Codex CSM: Black Legion vs. Necrons - Black Legion win
Codex CSM: Black Legion vs. Codex CSM: Black Legion - uhhhh. . . Black Legion win

Oh sure, people fear my FW DE Reaper and Tantalus and I repeatedly table my opponents at the tournaments thanks to them... not.

Btw, I heard lists with conscripts and/or Guilliman are OP. The game would be more balanced without the Imperium faction. Let's ditch it.

This 'FW is OP' has no bearing at all since 6th ed. Also, GW accepts FW on their official Grand Tournament. Absolutely no reason to ban FW at all when the base company completely allows it.

mrhappyface, I'd suggest you to make a deal with the mods: delete any post that isn't related to posting game results. Discussing SoB tactics or if FW is OP or not isn't the purpose of this thread.

My results so far with Crons', all matches 2 000pts

Necrons vs Orks - Necrons Win (major victory)
Necrons vs Tau - Necrons Win (major victory)
Necrons vs Death Guard - Necrons Win (major victory)
Necrons vs Daemons - Necrons Win (major victory)
Necrons vs IG - Necrons Loss (close match, minor victory for the IG player)
Necrons vs Nidz - Necrons Win (major victory)
Necrons vs Tau - Necrons Win (minor victory)
Necrons vs Orks - Necrons Win (major victory)
Necrons vs Nidz - Necrons Win (major victory)
Necrons vs IG - Draw

Tau Vs. Chaos Space Marines (Iron Warriors, Codex) - Tau Win.

 Vector Strike wrote:
This 'FW is OP' has no bearing at all since 6th ed. Also, GW accepts FW on their official Grand Tournament. Absolutely no reason to ban FW at all when the base company completely allows it.

mrhappyface, I'd suggest you to make a deal with the mods: delete any post that isn't related to posting game results. Discussing SoB tactics or if FW is OP or not isn't the purpose of this thread.

The purpose of any thread is to have a discussion, what's the point of collecting results if we don't discuss them?

 Marmatag wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
This 'FW is OP' has no bearing at all since 6th ed. Also, GW accepts FW on their official Grand Tournament. Absolutely no reason to ban FW at all when the base company completely allows it.

mrhappyface, I'd suggest you to make a deal with the mods: delete any post that isn't related to posting game results. Discussing SoB tactics or if FW is OP or not isn't the purpose of this thread.

The purpose of any thread is to have a discussion, what's the point of collecting results if we don't discuss them?

Hear hear! Data without interpretation is just numbers and bytes!

 Vector Strike wrote:
This 'FW is OP' has no bearing at all since 6th ed. Also, GW accepts FW on their official Grand Tournament. Absolutely no reason to ban FW at all when the base company completely allows it.

mrhappyface, I'd suggest you to make a deal with the mods: delete any post that isn't related to posting game results. Discussing SoB tactics or if FW is OP or not isn't the purpose of this thread.

As long as it doesn't turn malicious discussing tactics, models or FW/GW that may affect these results is fine. The warning on the OP is due to a conscript discussion that spand several pages and started to turn nasty.

My $0.02 on the Forge World results:

I think they are absolutely skewing it... but possibly downwards. My local meta has a ton of people that will play things like the Land Raider Achilles, which is scary but is EXTREMELY vulnerable to people who know its rules and weaknesses. I have a hunch that barring a few select cases, people running Forge World gear and lists are probably bringing themselves down rather than up. Just look at the DKOK or R&H lists for example!

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
My $0.02 on the Forge World results:

I think they are absolutely skewing it... but possibly downwards. My local meta has a ton of people that will play things like the Land Raider Achilles, which is scary but is EXTREMELY vulnerable to people who know its rules and weaknesses. I have a hunch that barring a few select cases, people running Forge World gear and lists are probably bringing themselves down rather than up. Just look at the DKOK or R&H lists for example!

Opposite for me in the bay area. It's pretty competitive out here and when people run Forgeworld it's the broken most units.

I would be *100% fine* with Forgeworld if it had been tested as a part of the playtesting. But it wasn't! To me that is disgusting. The whole point of this being "the edition we asked for" was that they were testing it and balancing it.

Forgeworld feels like their rules were designed to sell models not to be a part of a balanced game.