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 Thunderfrog wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:

If there is codex creep.....I will not be so happy.

I have bad news for you, then...it's going to happen. I don't say this to be cynical, but just by adding this amount of material, there's bound to be things that come out as more powerful. Especially considering how many codices we're likely to see.

There hasn't been codex creep in AoS yet.

Elves disagree.

Also, savage orruks happened.

Elves? Codex creep means that successive releases are stronger than previous ones. Elves were sub-par right at the GHB launch, battletome releases have nothing to do with it. As for bonesplittaz, its common knowledge that the only problem is one battalion (formation in 40k lingo) out of the whole thing.

 luke1705 wrote:

Rynner wrote:
It won't be Sisters.

This feels like a massive cash grab. I'm actually pretty upset that after buying all 5 indexes and the rule book they are going to get invalided pretty shortly after.

They should have made the indexes free or next to free. This is kind of outrageous and upsetting.

Most of us are going to buy the rules for the addition at least twice at this point.

So you would prefer that the indices were say, $50 like the codices of old? $25 for the ability to play 3-5 armies is literally next to free, and the digital bundles were even cheaper. Not sure what you were expecting but this is about as good as it gets. I, for one, welcome the ability to have each army have what is effectively a supplement. Will be awesome to see how the options increase and the flavor of each army expands.

The AoS Hardbacks have been $35 - $40 followed by $25 soft backs, but I'm not sure that will be the case here. GW has abandoned some of the cost friendly measures they had in place for AoS already. Still the battalions, army wide rules, and points made buying the army books worth it for AoS.

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 silent25 wrote:
So on the actual topic of the SM Codex. Anyone notice what they listed are part of the subfactions in it?

Spoiler:

CHAOS LEGIONS?!?!

We've complained so long that the chaos marines are never as good as loyalists, so they just made them normal marines

In my mind, silent changed his avatar just for this post

Phear the evil little loli war criminal.

Back in 3rd edition you had to have the SM codex along with the BA and DA book to play those armies.

Shame really, only hope we do actually get "Chatper Tactics" for all Factions - or if not Marines pay for power boosts.

I'm so happy I had the Farsight to not grab any indices. Now I can just grab the codex for my army (next year) since no way in hell is GW releasing any Xenos other than craftworld this year. I suspect some of the updated xenos codices will get released since so many of the rumours have said that they want next year to have a lot of xenos focus.

To all those who bought some. I am so sorry for your loss. YOu have officially been beta tested video game style. Welcome to new GW.

I bet the release list will be:
1. Space Marines
2. Grey Knights
3. Chaos Space Marines
4. Death Guard
5. Primaris Marines
6. Blood Angels
7. Space Wolves
8. Dark Angels
9. Thousand Sons
10. Deathwatch
11. World Eaters
Then next year we will see:
12. Emperors Childen
13. Chaos Daemons
14. Chaos Daemons - Nurgle
15. Chaos Daemons - Tzeentch
16. Chaos Daemons - Khrone
17. Chaos Daemons - Slaanesh

 Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
I am mad that I literally ordered my index 1 last night, and because the Space Marine Codex isn't available for pre-order yet, I just wasted $20. Only 2 days back in the game and GW let me down already.


EDIT: Spelling

I am in the same boat as you. Bought my index last week (they were sold out until then). It's completely useless in 2 weeks lol.


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 MadCowCrazy wrote:
I bet the release list will be:
1. Space Marines
2. Grey Knights
3. Chaos Space Marines
4. Death Guard
5. Primaris Marines
6. Blood Angels
7. Space Wolves
8. Dark Angels
9. Thousand Sons
10. Deathwatch
11. World Eaters
Then next year we will see:
12. Emperors Childen
13. Chaos Daemons
14. Chaos Daemons - Nurgle
15. Chaos Daemons - Tzeentch
16. Chaos Daemons - Khrone
17. Chaos Daemons - Slaanesh

Primaris marines are obviously in the adept astartes codex - it has a primaris marine on the front.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
I bet the release list will be:
1. Space Marines
2. Grey Knights
3. Chaos Space Marines
4. Death Guard
5. Primaris Marines
6. Blood Angels
7. Space Wolves
8. Dark Angels
9. Thousand Sons
10. Deathwatch
11. World Eaters
Then next year we will see:
12. Emperors Childen
13. Chaos Daemons
14. Chaos Daemons - Nurgle
15. Chaos Daemons - Tzeentch
16. Chaos Daemons - Khrone
17. Chaos Daemons - Slaanesh

Not sure about a separate Primaris one. The marine on the cover is a Primaris Marine. They might have everything planned so far in there.

Well this thread just saved me $25, $50 or $75

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
I bet the release list will be:
1. Space Marines
2. Grey Knights
3. Chaos Space Marines
4. Death Guard
5. Primaris Marines
6. Blood Angels
7. Space Wolves
8. Dark Angels
9. Thousand Sons
10. Deathwatch
11. World Eaters
Then next year we will see:
12. Emperors Childen
13. Chaos Daemons
14. Chaos Daemons - Nurgle
15. Chaos Daemons - Tzeentch
16. Chaos Daemons - Khrone
17. Chaos Daemons - Slaanesh

Urggh that looks dismal :(

 Gamgee wrote:
I'm so happy I had the Farsight to not grab any indices. Now I can just grab the codex for my army (next year) since no way in hell is GW releasing any Xenos other than craftworld this year. I suspect some of the updated xenos codices will get released since so many of the rumours have said that they want next year to have a lot of xenos focus.

To all those who bought some. I am so sorry for your loss. YOu have officially been beta tested video game style. Welcome to new GW.

So you're happy you saved fifteen quid so you can't play until sometime between 2-6 months after the new edition dropped minimum, and have missed out on a bunch of extra rules which may have allowed you to experiment with another army?

Gimme a fething break, there's a whole chunk of people in the thread who need to get some fething perspective.

OK now...when will the leaks start showing the new rules???? I have an army on the table, I need to decide what color to slap on them.

I dunno about you... but, I'm excited as all hell about this aggressive Codex release schedules...

'member when you had to play the old Dark Eldar, Sisters, Necron codices for years spanning over multiple editions?

I 'member...

My only concern is whether the new C:SM will have all of the Primaris rules. Will it have the rules for models still not released at time of publication? If, for example, that Repulsor tank is to be released a month after the codex, will it still be in the codex? I really hope GW's policy of "no model = no rules" won't apply here.

 whembly wrote:
I dunno about you... but, I'm excited as all hell about this aggressive Codex release schedules...

'member when you had to play the old Dark Eldar, Sisters, Necron codices for years spanning over multiple editions?

I 'member...

Only "Major Factions" get a Codex - apparently thats the usual snowflake Chapters of marines - I haev several Marine armies including Wolves - but its depressing as hell that my other armies have to wait whilst the slightly different Chapters get a shiny Codex instead.

Except all the sub factions they've said will get rules included in the codexes for the more major ones?

 Bull0 wrote:
oh great, yet another 40k thread. Can't have enough of those! And confirming something that was obviously happening? I might need a sit down!

Now complete with complaining! But wait, there's more: complaining about complaining!

Glad I skipped the imperial indices.

I really really REALLY hate them going back to chapter codexes, it's unnecessary and just a blatant cash grab. It's annoying for stockists and annoying for gamers who get all codexes.
It also slows down releases...

I bet at least 6 of the 10 codexes before christmas are power armour related. The only power armour codex I'd like to see is Sisters of Battle or Adeptus Ministorum as it seems they will be now, then again knowing GW Adeptus Ministorum will probably be a separate codex as well.

When it comes to codexes less is good, more is not. The more codexes there are the longer non SM players have to wait for updates.
We all know that SM HAS TO get new stuff every single year, so if GW had 6months of AoS and 6months of 40K a year then 5 of those 40K slots could be other armies but more likely would be 3 non power armour releases in a year.
Then what about codex updates, do they do them in order? Of course not, SM will get updates before everyone else and every year. I bet some armies will get updates every other year and GWs response will be that they simply didn't have time to get around to them, yet SM will of course get updates.

Now with the Primaris marines we will probably see a kit for them every other month. When each chapter codex comes out there will probably be a Primaris marines release to go with them.

I wouldn't be surprised if Primaris marines had 10-15 different kits before the end of the year. That's more than some armies have in total but because they are Spess Mehreneez they have priority over everything else.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Except all the sub factions they've said will get rules included in the codexes for the more major ones?

Where does it say that? I seem to have missed it - or are just refering to sub faction Marines? Thanks

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Except all the sub factions they've said will get rules included in the codexes for the more major ones?

Where does it say that? I seem to have missed it - or are just refering to sub faction Marines? Thanks

Or, more completely..

For you gamers out there, one very exciting addition are new rules representing specific sub-groups in many of the major factions; these range from old classics like the Space Marine Chapters or Chaos Space Marine Legions to returning rules for individual craftworlds, as well as previously unexplored groupings like Necron dynasties and Adeptus Mechanicus forge worlds. These will be included in each codex.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Or, more completely..

For you gamers out there, one very exciting addition are new rules representing specific sub-groups in many of the major factions; these range from old classics like the Space Marine Chapters or Chaos Space Marine Legions to returning rules for individual craftworlds, as well as previously unexplored groupings like Necron dynasties and Adeptus Mechanicus forge worlds. These will be included in each codex.

Thanks - but without definiation of what is a "Major Faction" beyond model range becuase its nothing to do with universe importance, we don't know which factions / sub factions will be entirely ignored - well except Sisters of Battle of course :(

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
My only concern is whether the new C:SM will have all of the Primaris rules. Will it have the rules for models still not released at time of publication? If, for example, that Repulsor tank is to be released a month after the codex, will it still be in the codex? I really hope GW's policy of "no model = no rules" won't apply here.

The Codex will NOT contain rules for unreleased models. They've already said that units like the new Primaris Dreadnought will not be in the codex. Rules will be in the box and Matched Play points will be 'available online'.

From the Codex FAQ article...
"Rules for new models not covered in the index (like the upcoming Redemptor Dreadnought) will be available in the box with the model and matched play points for these units will be made available online."

So, if you're one of the lucky people who get a Codex and new models, you'll potentially need the Core Rules, your Index, your Codex, the rules in the box for new units and some sort of downloaded file for points. Nice and easy.

 Kriswall wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
My only concern is whether the new C:SM will have all of the Primaris rules. Will it have the rules for models still not released at time of publication? If, for example, that Repulsor tank is to be released a month after the codex, will it still be in the codex? I really hope GW's policy of "no model = no rules" won't apply here.

The Codex will NOT contain rules for unreleased models. They've already said that units like the new Primaris Dreadnought will not be in the codex. Rules will be in the box and Matched Play points will be 'available online'.

From the Codex FAQ article...
"Rules for new models not covered in the index (like the upcoming Redemptor Dreadnought) will be available in the box with the model and matched play points for these units will be made available online."

So, if you're one of the lucky people who get a Codex and new models, you'll potentially need the Core Rules, your Index, your Codex, the rules in the box for new units and some sort of downloaded file for points. Nice and easy.

It has happend before and it will happen again - sadly.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Or, more completely..

For you gamers out there, one very exciting addition are new rules representing specific sub-groups in many of the major factions; these range from old classics like the Space Marine Chapters or Chaos Space Marine Legions to returning rules for individual craftworlds, as well as previously unexplored groupings like Necron dynasties and Adeptus Mechanicus forge worlds. These will be included in each codex.

Thanks - but without definiation of what is a "Major Faction" beyond model range becuase its nothing to do with universe importance, we don't know which factions / sub factions will be entirely ignored - well except Sisters of Battle of course :(

You've got 30 years odd of precedent to make an educated guess.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I'm so happy I had the Farsight to not grab any indices. Now I can just grab the codex for my army (next year) since no way in hell is GW releasing any Xenos other than craftworld this year. I suspect some of the updated xenos codices will get released since so many of the rumours have said that they want next year to have a lot of xenos focus.

To all those who bought some. I am so sorry for your loss. YOu have officially been beta tested video game style. Welcome to new GW.

So you're happy you saved fifteen quid so you can't play until sometime between 2-6 months after the new edition dropped minimum, and have missed out on a bunch of extra rules which may have allowed you to experiment with another army?

Gimme a fething break, there's a whole chunk of people in the thread who need to get some fething perspective.

-he thinks that a person "not buying" the indices means that they don't have them

If I wasn't on my phone I'd post a picture of a smug anime girl. You'll just have to use your imagination. She is extremely smug.

As far as what releases, I'm confident that we'll get at least Orks and Eldar this year. Maybe Tau.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I'm so happy I had the Farsight to not grab any indices. Now I can just grab the codex for my army (next year) since no way in hell is GW releasing any Xenos other than craftworld this year. I suspect some of the updated xenos codices will get released since so many of the rumours have said that they want next year to have a lot of xenos focus.

To all those who bought some. I am so sorry for your loss. YOu have officially been beta tested video game style. Welcome to new GW.

So you're happy you saved fifteen quid so you can't play until sometime between 2-6 months after the new edition dropped minimum, and have missed out on a bunch of extra rules which may have allowed you to experiment with another army?

Gimme a fething break, there's a whole chunk of people in the thread who need to get some fething perspective.

You mean the indexes and rules that were also leaked and posted online?

Im glad I only bought one Index ( but i have all of them).

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Or, more completely..

For you gamers out there, one very exciting addition are new rules representing specific sub-groups in many of the major factions; these range from old classics like the Space Marine Chapters or Chaos Space Marine Legions to returning rules for individual craftworlds, as well as previously unexplored groupings like Necron dynasties and Adeptus Mechanicus forge worlds. These will be included in each codex.

Thanks - but without definiation of what is a "Major Faction" beyond model range becuase its nothing to do with universe importance, we don't know which factions / sub factions will be entirely ignored - well except Sisters of Battle of course :(

You've got 30 years odd of precedent to make an educated guess.

I'm guessing that we currently have 21 factions that warrant a Codex, based on 7th Edition and how the Indexes are split up. I've listed them out earlier in this thread.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I'm so happy I had the Farsight to not grab any indices. Now I can just grab the codex for my army (next year) since no way in hell is GW releasing any Xenos other than craftworld this year. I suspect some of the updated xenos codices will get released since so many of the rumours have said that they want next year to have a lot of xenos focus.

To all those who bought some. I am so sorry for your loss. YOu have officially been beta tested video game style. Welcome to new GW.

So you're happy you saved fifteen quid so you can't play until sometime between 2-6 months after the new edition dropped minimum, and have missed out on a bunch of extra rules which may have allowed you to experiment with another army?

Gimme a fething break, there's a whole chunk of people in the thread who need to get some fething perspective.

-he thinks that a person "not buying" the indices means that they don't have them

If I wasn't on my phone I'd post a picture of a smug anime girl. You'll just have to use your imagination. She is extremely smug.

As far as what releases, I'm confident that we'll get at least Orks and Eldar this year. Maybe Tau.

Yeah, I'm that naive.

I'm not above using alternative stores myself, but for something so cheap and readily accessible, it actually seems really petty not to buy it, plus there's potential issues based on where you may need to play.

Either way, crowing you're glad you didn't buy something not, as would be needed to make the point, because you had "foresight" but because you were too much of a tightwad to pay fifteen quid for a hard copy or however much a legitimate digi copy is and ripped it off instead undermines his point.

Not including forgeworld in the codexes. That debunks that rumor.

Sucks for people like the Necrons who only have a single forgeworld dynasty to buy a whole book to get their <dynasty> rules for (probably 3-5 years from now).

On the other hand Nids have nothing to get they don't already have from the index, and things like GSC don't have gak.