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Thanks for the link/video

Wonderwolf wrote:
So I wouldn't expect Death Guard to really get going until September and their "own" White Dwarf, Mortarion on the cover and all.

Maybe, though they're releasing both Chaos and Grey Knight codexes at the same time, while still releasing Primaris minis for the Marines, so it's not too much of a stretch to get DG in August. They seem pretty keen to chuck as much stuff out as quickly as possible

I hope the new DG codex gets rid of all the references to Vector. It's like some intern went to the transmissible disease wikipedia page and was like "vector is a cool word, let's pound it into the ground like Wolf for Space Wolves"

 Kirasu wrote:
I hope the new DG codex gets rid of all the references to Vector. It's like some intern went to the transmissible disease wikipedia page and was like "vector is a cool word, let's pound it into the ground like Wolf for Space Wolves"

It's vectorium or vectoriam or whatever. You'd better believe that once it's pseudo-latinized, they're not going to let it go again. Wolf!

3 layers of rules would be pretty awesome: Mark of Nurgle - Death Guard - Vector. I must say I don't find it that likely, though. Maybe there'll just be stratagems to represent the styles of these vectors.
I'm still expecting different kinds of plaguecasters, though. The DG booklet in the DI set mentioned 3 other kinds of sorcerers with specific designations. These where also not translated into German - which is otherwise the case only for actual unit names. The Deathshroud on the other hand, has been translated in the book, that's why I don't think we'll see them. Not the strongest arguments I know, just a thought.

 Kirasu wrote:
I hope the new DG codex gets rid of all the references to Vector. It's like some intern went to the transmissible disease wikipedia page and was like "vector is a cool word, let's pound it into the ground like Wolf for Space Wolves"

Calling Death Guard Warbands "Vector" is pretty cool. Maybe is because I'm from the spain so it has the "cool word" effect because is from other lenguage.

 Kirasu wrote:
I hope the new DG codex gets rid of all the references to Vector. It's like some intern went to the transmissible disease wikipedia page and was like "vector is a cool word, let's pound it into the ground like Wolf for Space Wolves"

Nothing will beat Wolf Wolfborn, of the Space Wolves, riding his giant wolf, with his wolf claws and his wolf tail talisman and his wolf tooth necklace, accompanied by wolves, wolf wolf wolf wolf.

Hey guys, so someone reviewing the Chaos codex in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W069dPLTXg0
shows off the Plague Marine page briefly, and I had a read through (If you want to check it out, he flicks to the page at about 15mins through the vid).
They get a HEAP of new weapon options, and they've gone down to 19pts each!
My favourite new weapon is the big flail thing, +2 Str, -2AP, 2dmg. And the dmg spills over! They also get D3 attacks with it, instead of just 1.
Also, every marine can replace their Boltguns with melee weapons, which is pretty nifty, and they're all Blight weapons and an equivalent power weapon.
Super excited about this stuff

I REALLY want to see the stats for those new weapons!

You can make them out if you look closely. For anyone who can't be bothered, a summary

For ranged we have two options (as well as still newish blight launchers), which are a flamer and heavy flamer with an extra inch of range and rerolling wound rolls of 1. Which isn't too shabby.

For melee we have four new options, all with plague weapon reroll 1s thing. The great plague cleaver is a powerfist with d6 damage. The mace is a power maul with -1 to hit and 3 damage. The axe is just a power axe, except the plague weapon ability. The flail is the same as deathwing knights flail with only -2 AP and d3 attacks.

Also, you can get two attacks for double plague knives, knife and axe, or axe and mace. Which is nice, pushes them back to being a melee/ranged hybrid.

It's worth mentioning there is now a reason to run a unit of 7: the sarge can have his various loadouts (including plain plasma, without powerfist if desired), plus 2 special weapons, plus 2 axe and mace, plus 2 flail or cleaver. Oh, and an icon of despair if you leave someone with a boltgun or dual plague knives but it's still fairly worthless (though it has a 6" range now... wooo?).

Personally, between the new options and the price break (so they are costed correctly assuming plague knives aren't a point now or something) I think plague marines are now fairly usable. They seem to be pushing the melee/ranged hybrid angle.

So the weapons are:

1) Blight Launcher, which has had a slight change. It does D3 dmg, instead of 2. Good and bad I guess.
2) Boltgun, obviously.
3) Melta gun.
4) Plague Belcher, which is a flamer but with the Plague Weapon rule: S4, 1dmg.
5) Plague Spewer, which is a heavy flamer but with the Plague Weapon rule: S5, -1AP, 1dmg.
6) Plasma gun.
7) Plasma pistol.
8) Bubotic Axe (I'm pretty sure that's how it's spelt), which looks like a power axe, but with the Plague Weapon rule: +1S, -2AP, 1dmg. This thing is the one that any Plague Marine can swap their boltgun for.
9) Flail of Corruption, this thing seems beast to me. Two dudes can take this in a unit. +2S, -2AP, 2dmg, Plague Weapon rule, D3 attacks instead of 1 and dmg spills over. Yes plez.
10) Great Plague Cleaver (this thing has a glorious name). x2S, -3AP, D6dmg, Plague Weapon, -1 when making hit rolls. Seems like a pretty devastating anti-tank/character weapon, though with only one attack on a Plague Marine and the -1 to hit, I don't see this choice being taken very often.
11) Mace of Contagion: +2S, -1AP, 3dmg, Plague weapon and -1 to hit with. seems pretty cool.
12) Plague Knife, obviously.
13) Plaguesword, obviously.
14) Blight and Krak grenades, obviously.

Their options:
- Champion may replace their Plague knife with a Plaguesword
- Champion may replace their boltgun with a bolt pistol, plasma pistol or plasma gun (no more having to take a plasma gun AND fist!)
- Champion may take a powerfist
- Up to two Plague Marines may replace their boltgun with a Plague belcher, Plague spewer, Melta gun, plasma gun or Blight Launcher
- Any Plague Marine may replace their boltgun with either a Bubonic Axe or a second Plague Knife
- Up to two Plague Marines may each replace their boltgun with a Mace of Contagion and a Bubonic Axe
- Up to two Plague Marines may each replace their boltgun with a Great Plague Cleaver or a Flail of Corruption
- One Plague Marines armed with a boltgun or two Plague knives can take an Icon of Dispare (oddly specific)

And a new special rule, called Vectors of Death and Disease, allows dudes with two Plague knives, a knife and Bubonic Axe, or a Mace of Contagion and Bubonic Axe, have an attack value of 2 rather than 1.

So a bucket load of melee weapons, interestingly. And Plague Marines now being only 19pts per model means a few extra upgrades can probably be chucked on with no additional cost to what we're used to now, which is grand.

Unfortunately he doesn't look at the points page properly, so I couldn't make out the weapons points costs.

10 for plague flamer, 19 for the plague heavy flamer. So a point or two for the reroll and extra inch of range, which seems fair.

SilverAlien wrote:
10 for plague flamer, 19 for the plague heavy flamer. So a point or two for the reroll and extra inch of range, which seems fair.

Ah nice, that's not too bad

Flail of Corruption <3 I'm so pumped for this Codex release. I don't remember the last time I looked forward to a release this much.

Still no goddamn Bolt Pistols!

Interesting that they've gone hard melee for PMs, wonder if they'll keep those options the same for the Death Guard

Charax wrote:
Still no goddamn Bolt Pistols!

Interesting that they've gone hard melee for PMs, wonder if they'll keep those options the same for the Death Guard

I'm curious if the sarge will get more options, he lost all access to combi weapons (or anything but plasma gun/pistol) for ranged, and his melee weapons are now plague knife/sword and power fist. It'd be nice if he had access to the new blight/plague weapons in the DG codex.

Charax wrote:
Still no goddamn Bolt Pistols!

Interesting that they've gone hard melee for PMs, wonder if they'll keep those options the same for the Death Guard

I'm wondering if the new terminators will have access to those flails!

 puma713 wrote:

Charax wrote:
Still no goddamn Bolt Pistols!

Interesting that they've gone hard melee for PMs, wonder if they'll keep those options the same for the Death Guard

I'm wondering if the new terminators will have access to those flails!

Yes plez!

I don't recall a plasma fetish from Death Guard. Meltas and flamers, or rather pisto versions like inferno guns and hand flamers as well as anything with the name in it would make sense for sarges, IMO. We can now safely guess what weapons will be in the kit, though.

A mace and axe combi sounds like a weird look, but we'll see. I'm ready for more gribbly Nurglers.

I wouldn't say it's necessary a "fetish", but Mortarion's Lantern pistol was essentially the relicest relic plasma pistol imaginable from what I can recall.

Was just randomly scrolling through the Chaos units on the GW website and noticed that Typhus is now, "no longer available."

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Was just randomly scrolling through the Chaos units on the GW website and noticed that Typhus is now, "no longer available."

He's still available in the UK, which is the most important IMHO. Its the plastic Eldar Farseer who seems to be 'Sold Out - No Longer Available' almost worldwide.

It's the year 2017 and people still think that models being out of stock or unavailable are some kind of clue. Why?

 Binabik15 wrote:
I don't recall a plasma fetish from Death Guard. Meltas and flamers, or rather pisto versions like inferno guns and hand flamers as well as anything with the name in it would make sense for sarges, IMO. We can now safely guess what weapons will be in the kit, though.

A mace and axe combi sounds like a weird look, but we'll see. I'm ready for more gribbly Nurglers.

I find the plasma on the sarge odd, but assume it's less to do with fluff and more to do with it being a common weapon to equip DG with the past few editions. Still, I'd love to be able to run three blight launchers instead.

Also, DG no longer use flamers apparently, having moved entirely over to plague spewing weapons to replace them.

SilverAlien wrote:


Also, DG no longer use flamers apparently, having moved entirely over to plague spewing weapons to replace them.

That's right. Flames cleanse plague and filth away. We can't have that.

I'm all for as much plague stuff as possible in the Death Guard toolkit, personally.

Yeah I'm all for all this Plague stuff. The only thing I'm a little iffy on is plasma and fist being the only things you can put on the champion. I'd of liked to give him a Blight Launcher or one of those cleavers

Plague Bolters would have been a nice touch

I hope those CC-weapons are very cheap as I'm not really sold on using them on one-attack models. I also think from the way the entry is written, we might draw a conclusion on how the new PM set is laid out: 2 of each special weapon, maybe axes for everyone, a whole lot of knives (one also for a right arm).

 Tiberius501 wrote:

- Champion may replace their Plague knife with a Plaguesword
- Champion may replace their boltgun with a bolt pistol, plasma pistol or plasma gun (no more having to take a plasma gun AND fist!)
- Champion may take a powerfist

Pretty livid I just converted a champion with a combiplasma...