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I'm pretty sure they said in one of their articles that possessed are getting buffed.

Yeah, Possessed are getting +1W in the CSM codex.
So for 22Pts you could get a unit with S5, T4, 2w, 3+/5++ and possibly DR (in DG codex).
I'm not sure how CC-Plague Marines can compete with that, as the new weapons cost them additional points so you'll have a PM with Axe for 25points, still only 1-2 attacks and 1 wound.

Another possibility could be that possessed get +1W, T5 and DR for an increased point cost to make them even to our PMs.

After playing Helbrutes and the Drone on the weekend I'm really excited if they'll give DR to our vehicles as well (like seen on warhammer TV). It makes them so much more resilient really, the Drone is a real beast to bring down already.

Well I'd totally love for possessed to come over to our book, I'm just a bit skeptical with this sort of thing. I'm sure I'll be pleasently surspised though.

I'm going to assume the new Plague Crawler tank will have DR, and I'd really love for my Contemptor to have it too.

T5, DR possessed would be amazing, but they would totally require an upped point cost, most likely costing more than the PM's with axes.

But I'm not sure, would DR be our "legion tactic"? "All Infantry and hellbrutes gain DR and T5 if they have the Death Guard legion Keyword"? But then, that would give us basically the best legion tactic of all time haha. Or would it just be on all of our entries, and they'll all be named "Death Guard [name of unit]" and be higher in point cost, with something else as our special rules?

I'm quite interested in how our rules and units will work.

 Tiberius501 wrote:


But I'm not sure, would DR be our "legion tactic"? "All Infantry and hellbrutes gain DR and T5 if they have the Death Guard legion Keyword"? But then, that would give us basically the best legion tactic of all time haha. Or would it just be on all of our entries, and they'll all be named "Death Guard [name of unit]" and be higher in point cost, with something else as our special rules?

I'm quite interested in how our rules and units will work.

Yeah, exactly my thoughts. I think we can assume that the unit entries from the index will make it to our codex bar the ones that didn't make it to the CSM codex (i.e. palanquins, which is sad, really). I'd also think we might lose sorcerers and lords as we have our own versions, same with apostle. Not sure about warpsmith.
So what would our list consist of?

HQ:
Mortarion
Typhus
Lord of Contagion
Plaguecaster
Exalted Plague Champion?!

Troops:
Cultists
Poxwalkers
Plague marines

Elite:
Blightbringer
Helbrute
Terminators
Possessed

Fast attack:
Spawn
Drone
(there's room for more here... but we're Death Guard )

Support:
Predator
Plaguecrawler
Deffi

Since the CSM codex has all the Daemon troops in it I wouldn't be surprised at all if all Nurgle Daemons would make it into our codex! The lists in the rulebook which show combined forces of DG and daemons as well as the artwork with Mortarion make it quite plausible to me.

Also notice no replacement for Chosen/Havocs. After we've seen the weapon choices for PMs I simply don't think they'll release an additional set of plague marines to fill our special/heavy weapons out. After all, the DG was fluffwise all about every marine can do anything - which our PMs seem to be able to do.

Do we know if Death Guard will get cult chosen? I have a whole bunch of paint FW DG already & want to use the new DG as chosen due to their bigger size & detail.

I'm expecting news of the Death Guard Codex near the end of this week or next.

Here's hoping that it *IS* the next Dex to be released.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:


But I'm not sure, would DR be our "legion tactic"? "All Infantry and hellbrutes gain DR and T5 if they have the Death Guard legion Keyword"? But then, that would give us basically the best legion tactic of all time haha. Or would it just be on all of our entries, and they'll all be named "Death Guard [name of unit]" and be higher in point cost, with something else as our special rules?

I'm quite interested in how our rules and units will work.

Yeah, exactly my thoughts. I think we can assume that the unit entries from the index will make it to our codex bar the ones that didn't make it to the CSM codex (i.e. palanquins, which is sad, really). I'd also think we might lose sorcerers and lords as we have our own versions, same with apostle. Not sure about warpsmith.
So what would our list consist of?

HQ:
Mortarion
Typhus
Lord of Contagion
Plaguecaster
Exalted Plague Champion?!

Troops:
Cultists
Poxwalkers
Plague marines

Elite:
Blightbringer
Helbrute
Terminators
Possessed

Fast attack:
Spawn
Drone
(there's room for more here... but we're Death Guard )

Support:
Predator
Plaguecrawler
Deffi

Since the CSM codex has all the Daemon troops in it I wouldn't be surprised at all if all Nurgle Daemons would make it into our codex! The lists in the rulebook which show combined forces of DG and daemons as well as the artwork with Mortarion make it quite plausible to me.

Also notice no replacement for Chosen/Havocs. After we've seen the weapon choices for PMs I simply don't think they'll release an additional set of plague marines to fill our special/heavy weapons out. After all, the DG was fluffwise all about every marine can do anything - which our PMs seem to be able to do.

I think Mortarion will be a lord of war like Gulliman.

God I'm excited to see what Mortarion looks like and what he can do

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Yeah, Possessed are getting +1W in the CSM codex.
So for 22Pts you could get a unit with S5, T4, 2w, 3+/5++ and possibly DR (in DG codex).
I'm not sure how CC-Plague Marines can compete with that, as the new weapons cost them additional points so you'll have a PM with Axe for 25points, still only 1-2 attacks and 1 wound.

The DG have ranged weapons (boltguns)and access to flamers, blight launchers, plasma etc. They also have plague weapons and we dont know whether nurgle possessed will yet. They may also have certain other rules such as not being able to claim objectives or get -2 to hit when standing in cover etc. DG are still viable, its just that possessed will be hitting harder in cc. Also remember that some units (banshees, daemonettes) will be striking first in cc and in these instances id rather have DG to shoot some up rather than go toe to toe with them

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Yeah, Possessed are getting +1W in the CSM codex.
So for 22Pts you could get a unit with S5, T4, 2w, 3+/5++ and possibly DR (in DG codex).
I'm not sure how CC-Plague Marines can compete with that, as the new weapons cost them additional points so you'll have a PM with Axe for 25points, still only 1-2 attacks and 1 wound.

The DG have ranged weapons (boltguns)and access to flamers, blight launchers, plasma etc. They also have plague weapons and we dont know whether nurgle possessed will yet. They may also have certain other rules such as not being able to claim objectives or get -2 to hit when standing in cover etc. DG are still viable, its just that possessed will be hitting harder in cc. Also remember that some units (banshees, daemonettes) will be striking first in cc and in these instances id rather have DG to shoot some up rather than go toe to toe with them

I don't doubt their viability concerning what they've done since the beginning of 8th: sitting on an objective and firing blight launchers or plasmas. I was referring to their new CC-weapons, though. They now have a load of weapons - but will those be useful when we can simply take Possessed with two wounds and the same damage output? We'll have to see. I hope there'll be some stratagems or HQs to make plague weapons better. Re-rolling 1s to wound so far doesn't impress me on their 1 attack.

I just want to see some new Nurgle Daemon models.
I want to believe a new Great Unclean One is coming.

I expect a new GUO with the Daemons codex, he'll be better than the index version and probably similar to the Glotkin in size. Also, fwiw Beasts of Nurgle will get a new model as we've had teasers of something nurgley for months now. The other models are good/great imo and hold up really well against other more recent models.

I'd be okay with Possessed paying for DR or even not having it (or only having access to it via a stratagem) despite that not making sense, just don't remove them as an option damn you GW!

I think whilst the Possessed sheer close combat output betters melee Plague Marines (aside from the flail which 1:1 is hands down better than D3 S5 AP2 D1), you have to remember that the PMs get ranged options, 9" on both 'flamers' is good and the the ability to hit the opponent with that then either charge or overwatch is quite nice. A plasma gun and a powerfist too gives further utility. While PMs won't be a melee beatstick they will do a lot of the 24-0" stuff really well, lack of attacks is worrying but re-rolling 1s is a carrot at least. Plus T5 with 3+ & DR is nothing to sneeze at for resiliance, especially if you can get a Plaguecaster to cast a cheeky -1 to hit.

Possessed with DR may well be too good, but we'll leave that to the games designers and wait with baited breath. I think that sentence is the only time in my life were 'possessed' and 'too good' has been in the same conversation!

What I'm milling over in my head now is this... [i]If I take poxwalkers (80 @ 4 x 20) and am paying for 2 Blightbringers is it cheaper (and better) to run Plague Marines on foot and advance them using his ability or should I go for Rhinos too? More bodies or Rhinos for speed and security? I'm really not sure which...

I think Plague Marines are more about all-round support. They aren't particularly beastly at ranged or melee, but they can do either and help out whoever they need to. They're our jack-of-all-trades unit, like they should be, comparing them to the fluff. I like it, and it makes sense. And if they back each other up, their effectiveness stacks pretty quickly.

I'm expecting poxwalkers to get bigger unit sizes, maybe up to 30-40. If even Plague Marines can now be taken in blocks of 20, I can't see poxwalkers staying at 20 max. Also, going by their rule of getting +1 to their to-hit rolls if they're above 10 models leads me to believe that, if they're above 20 models, they'll get +2. That would make them good and worth taking big groups of them too.

I could see a couple of Blightbringers allowing your lines to advance more reliably being a cheap way of marching the men up the board, but I can also see everyone getting cut down still without the METAL MAWXES! protecting them, but maybe a nice horde of pox walkers will scare the enemy into putting most of their fire into them while your marines march up unaffected. It's what I plan on doing

If/when a new GUO does appear I wonder if it will be possible to make Ku'Gath out of it.
I'm going to probably say no and he will be a different kit like Skarbrand.
The amount of extra pieces would be just too high.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Yeah, exactly my thoughts. I think we can assume that the unit entries from the index will make it to our codex bar the ones that didn't make it to the CSM codex (i.e. palanquins, which is sad, really). I'd also think we might lose sorcerers and lords as we have our own versions, same with apostle. Not sure about warpsmith.
So what would our list consist of?

Losing access to generic HQs would really hurt, basically takes away all the decent aura abilities. It's another thing I'm worried about.

I think terminators are effectively going to be our chosen/havoc replacement, I'm hoping they have a lot of customization. I know that's more than likely to not be the case, but the sheer variety of options the new PM have makes me feel better about the chances.

I really like the new melee options for plagues, maybe we could even get a new ranged option that every PM in a unit and not only 2 can take (something like a "plague bolter"). I feel like the only problem PMs have is that they still dont feel as resilent as they should feel, although you can blame that on 8th i guess. It would be lovely to have 2W plague marines, but i feel like this would be a bit too much (especially because DG Terminators would have to have 3W, which would be ridiculous ). I also noticed that the DG list lacks hard hitting weapons and heavy Support, would like to see a bit more dakka in the DG codex.

 dan2026 wrote:
If/when a new GUO does appear I wonder if it will be possible to make Ku'Gath out of it.
I'm going to probably say no and he will be a different kit like Skarbrand.
The amount of extra pieces would be just too high.

I don't have it in front of me, but was Ku'gath in the Chaos index? For some reason I thought he wasn't. I'm hoping that when they get new kits, there will be a few builds for the GUO, much like the blood thirster. I also hope we finally get a Character KoS (other then Zara from forgeworld).

What do you think the chances are of getting a Lord of Contagion kit, which has a bunch of new weapons options. I feel like he, and the Pox/Bell/Dude will have more buildouts in the actual codex. A plastic Palaquin kit would also make sense, with the option for a DG lord, or Epidimius/generic herald.

I'm also really pumped about the new weapon options for PMs! I have a LOT of the old plastic ones, which I will be converting like mad, once the codex is in hand!

So regarding 'Plague Havocs', it could that they're a separate unit from Plague marines. Like how some vehicles or infantry kits are. That would explain why there were no heavy options for Plague Marines

expecting the actual leaks from this to start annnny daaay nowwww

 gigasnail wrote:
expecting the actual leaks from this to start annnny daaay nowwww

You're in the wrong thread then, since Death Guard isn't even up for preorder yet.

You want the CSM thread.

/shrug they're on deck next as far as anyone knows. i was hoping for leaks today, pre-order this week, pick up next week. pre-order next week as worst case.

but, hey. hope, road, disappointment, etc.

 gigasnail wrote:
/shrug they're on deck next as far as anyone knows. i was hoping for leaks today, pre-order this week, pick up next week. pre-order next week as worst case.

but, hey. hope, road, disappointment, etc.

We already know what's for preorder this week. We also know that the General's Handbook is being released this month. Realistically I wouldn't expect to see the Death Guard go on preorder until the 26th for release on September 2nd.

I'd say 19th coming out on the 26th. My guess is the genreal handbook and cards are this week.

What would be nice is if GW put up some kind of date teaser for when we expect to see some info.

*prayers to Nurgle*

Hopefully next week for previews, but no, it won't be DG preorders on the 19th as the General's Handbook is not out this week. I expect that will take next wek up and Nurgle will follow the week after, preorders on the 26th

 Hulksmash wrote:
I'd say 19th coming out on the 26th. My guess is the genreal handbook and cards are this week.

Bell of Lost Souls confirms what GW has already told us was going on preorder. The General's Handbook is not on preorder this week

We already know any cc oriented DG will not be viable, so there isn't much direct comparison to possessed. No unit that moves 5" and has 2a with weak cc weapons is useful. This edition is even more shooting focused so I don't see how you'd use anything other than the shooting variant.

The problem CC Death Guard have is...well...speed.

That and they're not berserkers.

They've never really been a CC unit. They've always been good at objective sitting and being an anvil for a hammer to charge but that's it.

I do not like this new determination to shove CC builds in our face or to try and get us to buy their new kit for whatever new weapon they've produced. End of the day I'm honestly unimpressed.

And probably looking at running my DG at Alpha Legion or IW successors if we get shafted over.

I would have liked to see more ranged rather than melee options for plague marines as well, but as long as we can take some of the new melee weapons for the DG Terminators its ok for me.
2 Attacks with theses flails and great cleavers could be devestating. I think what normal plagues need is either the option for more than 2 models per unit to take "special" weapons or more resilence. Or both

By way of helterskelter over on B&C: first clear short of Morty

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/6fiuF

Good model, paint job leaves a bit to be desired but if you can ignore that solid model imo.