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Couple models sneaked into that army picture too, circled in red. One has vials around his waist and the other with the giant vat on his back.

hmm...haven't seen that chap down the bottom with the big tank of goop on his back...wonder who/what he is...


(man, I've gotta start posting faster! )

 Prometheum5 wrote:
Maaan those Plague Brethren are lame. $40 for mirrored and slightly tweaked starter set models. I get that digital design makes production easier, but they're barely modified from the previous versions of the same sculpts. Why is the rest of the DG stuff not coming until October?

It's three models that basically let you bulk out the existing push-fits and add a meltagun to the squad.

Also, likely a big part of it is that it's:
a)exclusive to the GW webstore.
b)coming with three art prints and designer's notes

 Marshal Loss wrote:
You're right, I don't see how a xenotech scythe mutated into a daemon weapon over 10,000 years, held by a Primarch that is the incarnation of death and looks like a literal grim reaper, could possibly compare. Found the Magnus fanboy.

We'll see. I'll happily wager that you're wrong - even if the damage is random, I expect it to be at least D6 minimum, with higher threshold.

I'm actually a Curze fanboy, gotta love Space Batman.

But I'd say that you're quite the Morty fan boy if you can't see why Magnus would be far more powerful and by extension his weapon.

"I don't see how a mutating Daemon Weapon, forged by the Red King himself, imbued with the power of the most powerful being in the galaxy, held by a Primarch that was the Strongest and most powerful Primarch before he ascended to Daemon hood and is literally a giant who can mutate to the size of a titan, could possibly be compared to Morty. Found the Mortarion fanboy."

Whether or not GW will stick to the fluff or beaf up their new big villain for more sales is unknown to me.

 ZoBo wrote:
hmm...haven't seen that chap down the bottom with the big tank of goop on his back...wonder who/what he is...

Spoiler:

(man, I've gotta start posting faster! )

He might be one of the plague spewer models, the heavy flamer version for the Plague Marines as shown in the CSM codex.

Off, this has me conflicted

The Plague Brethren:
halfassed mirrored sculpts of the DI minis. While I might have been interested in the booklet and art cards on their own merit, £25 is unjustifiable for those models

Mortarion
Looks nice enough, if I was going to base a whole army around him then maybe the £85 would be OK, but I don't tend to go for named characters so he's a no-no for me. Might bits-order Silence or the Lantern for conversions

Codex:
Lots of new info here: 7 new characters, 33 units (I'm assuming the 7 characters are part of that number, leaving us 26 units and 7 characters. Codex: CSM had 45 datasheets, so we're gonna be losing a lot)
14 Stratagems (I would assume that "get extra relics" and other common stratagems we've seen in the other codices are going to be in there)

These seem like good contenders for the characters
Mortarion
Foul Blightspawn
Biologus Putrifier
Lord of Contagion
Noxious Blightbringer
Malignant Plaguecaster
Tallyman?

As for the Stratagems:
Blight Bombardment
Putrid Detonation
Cloud of Flies
Grandfather's Blessings
+10 more

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:
Maaan those Plague Brethren are lame. $40 for mirrored and slightly tweaked starter set models. I get that digital design makes production easier, but they're barely modified from the previous versions of the same sculpts. Why is the rest of the DG stuff not coming until October?

It's three models that basically let you bulk out the existing push-fits and add a meltagun to the squad.

Also, likely a big part of it is that it's:
a)exclusive to the GW webstore.
b)coming with three art prints and designer's notes

I know, and all the extra crap is still going to get me to buy it. I am glad for 3x guys and another special weapon to round out my starter guys, but the actual models do seem a little weak.

Fluff has never been a great indicator of a models effectiveness in the game.

Magnus was very recently bested by Guilliman.

Updated first post

Take in mind that dates/prices may be wrong in WD

This is only the first week of DG release, although the teaser for next issue is 'Death Guard', I'm sure the other kits will follow directly afterward, on the 16th and so on

Sorry to report but there isnt anything on first and second sight about Necromunda in this issue.

The other articles are pretty good, lots of tidbits about 40k and some nice hobby articles.

Two battle reports, none with the new Death Guard in this one.

 XT-1984 wrote:

Fluff has never been a great indicator of a models effectiveness in the game.

Magnus was very recently bested by Guilliman.

That's why I wouldn't wager that Morty is worse than Magnus: GW gotta sell their new stuff somehow!

The upgrade squad is coming out before the main Plague Marines box?
That's a bit weird.

Some interesting observations by DeadFingers on B&C

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338494-codex-death-guard-first-look/page-12#entry4870372

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 Whumbachumba wrote:
Couple models sneaked into that army picture too, circled in red. One has vials around his waist and the other with the giant vat on his back.

Spoiler:

And these Sorry if it seemed I ignored you

 dan2026 wrote:
The upgrade squad is coming out before the main Plague Marines box?
That's a bit weird.

It's an upgrade squad for the Plague Marines in Dark Imperium.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Some interesting observations by DeadFingers on B&C

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338494-codex-death-guard-first-look/page-12#entry4870372

Death Guard apothecary?

They keep showing cool art of this guy.
Oh how I hope a new model is coming.

Not really a fan of Mortarion.. just seems too "busy" looking. Maybe I just need to see some different paint jobs. I do like those mortar tanks though.

Am I allowed to feel a little disappointed that we're seeing mortarion before the Plagueburster and Terminators? Between princes and Typhus and blightbringers and plaguecasters I feel like I have enough big characters in my DG army... I really need some deepstrike or some long range.

Guess maybe I'll try to pick up a vindicator ?

Anybody know if the Mortarion comes with weapon options or are we stuck with the pistol and scythe?

 Huginn wrote:
Anybody know if the Mortarion comes with weapon options or are we stuck with the pistol and scythe?

Why would he come with weapon options...?

Charax wrote:
Codex:
Lots of new info here: 7 new characters, 33 units (I'm assuming the 7 characters are part of that number, leaving us 26 units and 7 characters. Codex: CSM had 45 datasheets, so we're gonna be losing a lot)

Well, there were 21 units in our army list in the index, 22 if you count the sorcerer on palanquin that was errata'd in. Factor in 7 new characters and that's 28/29. Which means 4-5 new units compared to the index, 6 if we assume both of the daemon mounted hqs don't make it. We know three of those (two varieties of terminators and the new vehicle). We should also assume plague bearers are also in there, because they were in the normal CSM book. So that's 2 potential units that haven't been accounted for.

So either there are a couple units we haven't seen, we are getting a couple of additional units back from the CSM book, or we actually get to keep our palanquin mounted hqs and not have them demoted to legacy.

The guy with the vat on his back is pretty intriguing. Looks like he is pouring the stuff in the vat into a grenade.

Huh... those things that are hanging off Mortarion aren't censors. They're bombs of some kind haha

 Prometheum5 wrote:

 Huginn wrote:
Anybody know if the Mortarion comes with weapon options or are we stuck with the pistol and scythe?

Why would he come with weapon options...?

Magnus came with different options for his blade and with other weapons that were optional.

To be honest... for the price tag I really hope there is just as much customization for Mortarion as there was for Magnus. Different heads. Different styles versions of Silence. Different style flies or something.

For $140 USD it better be more than what we've seen in these pictures.


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SilverAlien wrote:

Charax wrote:
Codex:
Lots of new info here: 7 new characters, 33 units (I'm assuming the 7 characters are part of that number, leaving us 26 units and 7 characters. Codex: CSM had 45 datasheets, so we're gonna be losing a lot)

Well, there were 21 units in our army list in the index, 22 if you count the sorcerer on palanquin that was errata'd in. Factor in 7 new characters and that's 28/29. Which means 4-5 new units compared to the index, 6 if we assume both of the daemon mounted hqs don't make it. We know three of those (two varieties of terminators and the new vehicle). We should also assume plague bearers are also in there, because they were in the normal CSM book. So that's 2 potential units that haven't been accounted for.

So either there are a couple units we haven't seen, we are getting a couple of additional units back from the CSM book, or we actually get to keep our palanquin mounted hqs and not have them demoted to legacy.

Leaves enough room for the Tallyman and the Biologus Putrifier

Those would be characters and thus included in the 7 mentioned. Even if they are elites they are characters.

It's also worth mentioning that, in my estimate, the 7 new characters were all new as in "not in the index". If those three from the index are counted as part of the "new" characters, that's three more potential units.

I really hope those two soda cans on his face look better in real life. Also, he's still looking wide. I have a feeling that all of the primarchs but Magnus are going to have that "Heroic Scale" to them...

bleh.

Qlanth wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:

 Huginn wrote:
Anybody know if the Mortarion comes with weapon options or are we stuck with the pistol and scythe?

Why would he come with weapon options...?

Magnus came with different options for his blade and with other weapons that were optional.

And Magnus is the Daemon Primarch of Tzeentch, the Lord of Change. It makes sense for Magnus, not so much for Mortarion.

 Ghaz wrote:

Qlanth wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:

 Huginn wrote:
Anybody know if the Mortarion comes with weapon options or are we stuck with the pistol and scythe?

Why would he come with weapon options...?

Magnus came with different options for his blade and with other weapons that were optional.

And Magnus is the Daemon Primarch of Tzeentch, the Lord of Change. It makes sense for Magnus, not so much for Mortarion.

I could see him, like Nagash, having an option for Silence held or slung on his back or Lantern holstered or drawn.

Maybe an option with a grenade/bomb or whatever out.

Qlanth wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:

 Huginn wrote:
Anybody know if the Mortarion comes with weapon options or are we stuck with the pistol and scythe?

Why would he come with weapon options...?

Magnus came with different options for his blade and with other weapons that were optional.

The blade of Magnus is noted as having whatever form Magnus chooses for it, so it would make sense for there to be multiple options for the blade.

Qlanth wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:


Magnus came with different options for his blade and with other weapons that were optional.

To be honest... for the price tag I really hope there is just as much customization for Mortarion as there was for Magnus. Different heads. Different styles versions of Silence. Different style flies or something.

For $140 USD it better be more than what we've seen in these pictures.

... why on earth would he have different weapon options? The only reason magnus could be wielded with the sword was because he had a scabbard for it in the first place. Also asking for his signature weapon to have different versions is absurd. Just 'cause the thing cost a lot doesn't mean it accommodates to a variety of options. That said, I expect at the least head options and perhaps a third hand option, but that's about it

If Mortarion costs $140 has no options for faces/weapons/poses or extras included in the kit I'm going to be pretty disappointed. Thats a gakload of money for something that looks to be about the size of a Riptide and costs twice as much.


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 aracersss wrote:

Qlanth wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:


Magnus came with different options for his blade and with other weapons that were optional.

To be honest... for the price tag I really hope there is just as much customization for Mortarion as there was for Magnus. Different heads. Different styles versions of Silence. Different style flies or something.

For $140 USD it better be more than what we've seen in these pictures.

... why on earth would he have different weapon options? The only reason magnus could be wielded with the sword was because he had a scabbard for it in the first place. Also asking for his signature weapon to have different versions is absurd. Just 'cause the thing cost a lot doesn't mean it accommodates to a variety of options. That said, I expect at the least head options and perhaps a third hand option, but that's about it

Because it would be fun! And fun things are good! Especially if you're spending a shload of money