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Virules wrote: I guess the real joke is on me; I spent months converting my DG Obliterators and Mutilators
Spoiler:
That really sucks. We all knew we'd be losing stuff when we got our new full army status, but seeing models like that makes it worse.
Maybe they will get power fists so at least those can be your heavy weapon terminators.
If you think losing those conversions sucks for me...
2 Squads of Havocs (Heavy Bolter and Autocannon).
1 squad of Raptors.
1 squad of Obliterators.
Pretty sure my Jump Lord is going to be invalidated.
My Terminators are questionable as well now.
Are nurgle marked terminators that aren't deathguard specific an option in the Deathguard codex or do you have to make a separate detachment in order to use them as a chaos soup army?
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warboss wrote: Are nurgle marked terminators that aren't deathguard specific an option in the Deathguard codex or do you have to make a separate detachment in order to use them as a chaos soup army?
Though, to be fair, our CT is narrow enough in scope (three maybe four units benefit from it to any real degree) that you can probably fit everything which needs it in a single detachment, and use any others as mixed detachments. Assuming you didn't want a generic CSM ct for that division.
To be fair, we didn't have DG terminators till the Traitor Legions book, before that the 3.5 codex but there was nothing special beyond fearless and T5. They've always been just Nurgle Terminators up until recent.
But I feels. For Traitor Legions, I converted my FW Deathshroud termies to carry combi plasmas, so now they're a bastard mix of Shrouds and Blight Lords.
Nightlord1987 wrote: To be fair, we didn't have DG terminators till the Traitor Legions book, before that the 3.5 codex but there was nothing special beyond fearless and T5. They've always been just Nurgle Terminators up until recent.
But I feels. For Traitor Legions, I converted my FW Deathshroud termies to carry combi plasmas, so now they're a bastard mix of Shrouds and Blight Lords.
Oblits are easy enough to call Iron Warriors.
To be fair, there was nothing special about Plague Marines beyond T5 and Fearless til the sorry mess of the late 4th edition Codex.
In 3.5 T5 and Fearless was defacto Plague Terminators.
In 3rd we had Plague Terminators as well - don't make me find the original Index Astartes article again....
broxus wrote: Anyone know the final cost of a hauler with all the weapon options included?
135 I think (83+25+27+0+0). Which would be about right for power 7. Which means only 405 points for a squadron of 3, not too shabby.
I just hope the model isn't horrible. I love the bloat drones so you'd think I'd dig the blight hauler but the one image of it we have I think looks awful. I like the art, though, so maybe once we see it from more angles I'll be able to cheerfully buy three...
H.B.M.C. wrote: So...... they've invalidated the squads of anyone who owns these:
Just use them as Chaos Terminators with the Mark of Nurgle?
Man, this approach really pisses me off.
'DUR HURR JUST USE THEM AS X'.
Um. No. They've been Death Guard Terminators for the past 4 editions. They're painted up in my army's colour scheme. They're modelled appropriately too.
And now they suddenly...aren't Death Guard? What?
It means I'm going to have to do a lot of rigging about which is a bastard with the squads as they are.
One squad
- 2 Power Axe/Combi- bolters - fine, I guess?
- 1 combi-flamer/ icon - I suppose the icon can count as about anything so fine.
- 1 Chainfist/combi- flamer
- 1 Power Fist/Heavy Flamer
I suppose if I count the fists as Swords?
Second Squad (in a bone scheme)
1 Power Axe/Combi Bolter - Fine
3 Power Fist/Combi-bolters - uh....
1 Reaper/Power Fist - Uh........
Third Squad
1 Power Sword/combi bolter - Fine
1 Lightning Claw/combi-bolter - Uh....count as a sword?
2 Lightning Claw pairs - Ummmmm....
1 Reaper/Chainfist - Uh......
Well. This is fun. I have to ramshackle something for this weekend out of them. And no, just using a keyword isn't okay. Because that'll require a whole OTHER detachment to field sub-par Terminators. This is what I was fearing...going to be a lot of counts as I guess.
Honestly it's partly your fault for doing such a schizo loadout for each Terminator squad.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
Honestly it's partly your fault for doing such a schizo loadout for each Terminator squad.
First squad is done up as a pseudo command squad. Combi-flamers, flamers. The Power Axes are on the original Champion and the LoC that has become the new Champion for the squad.
You say schizo loadout - I say keeping to a theme. The Power Fist/Heavy Flamer is converted up as a techmarine, the Chainfist-combi flamer converted up as an Apothecary, the Icon (Maul), Combi-flamer as a standard bearer. It was also built back when Typhus had a flame template as well - so it was a 4 template squad that drove forward in a Land Raider, disembarked, set fire to things and then assaulted what was left.
The second squad is a direct ape of a standard Imperial Terminator Squad - Powerfists, Reaper, Power Axe on champion instead of power sword. Schizo? Realy? This is a bog standard mockery of an Imperial layout - a bog standard Imperial layout. Perhaps not ZOMG CHEAP COMBI-PLAS spam that you're used to but massed powerfists on top of high toughness, a good save, an invuln and with Traitor Legions FNP pretty much waded into most things and did not care.
The third squad has a bit more variety as it was done as a pseudo-assault squad. And I generally preferred the Tartaros Reaper to the Heavy Flamer. So 2 pairs of lightning claws, a single claw, a single chainfist (in case of dreadnought or vehicle) and a power sword champion. Largely came about due to needing a bit of assaulty oomph in 7th against 'nids and Orks.
Generally champions were kept cheap and cheerful - even more so in 6th and 7th because mandatory challenges rendered them pretty useless (GOTTA CHALLENGE THAT BLOODTHIRSTER YO). Heck, they even served a purpose soaking challenges for other characters that accompanied them.
Honestly, you're being an arse about something you don't even know. Perhaps you're upset I went with flavour rather than running 3 man Termicide squads.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
... also is not like chaos terminators with mark of nurgle don't exist anymore or something ... you can have both
See, I never got this argument.
They aren't the same. They don't share Death Guard rules. Therefore they don't belong in an all Death Guard army.
All units in an army should always include the exact same blanket rules, It drives me absolutely nuts when things are different. It completely removes the immersion.
This codex absolutely should have included death guard versions of every unit in the chaos codex. There is absolutely no reason not to. For the exception of other god dedicated units obviously.
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Kill Primaris, Kill the Primarchs. They don't belong in 40K
40K is fantasy in space, not sci-fi
... also is not like chaos terminators with mark of nurgle don't exist anymore or something ... you can have both
See, I never got this argument.
They aren't the same. They don't share Death Guard rules. Therefore they don't belong in an all Death Guard army.
All units in an army should always include the exact same blanket rules, It drives me absolutely nuts when things are different. It completely removes the immersion.
This codex absolutely should have included death guard versions of every unit in the chaos codex. There is absolutely no reason not to. For the exception of other god dedicated units obviously.
I hear you brother! Here, waiting for my Sternguards, Vanguard Veterans and Tartaros and Cathapractii terminators for my Dark Angels
But now being honets, I think that subfactions should lose some units to gain some units, because if they just gain units and rules, they end being VanillaCodex+1 (Like Space Wolves in the past), but they should respect past rules to don't make useless things like some Terminators configurations. Theres literally 0 reasons why DG Blightlord Terminators shouldn't have Lighting Claws.
I can see the argument against' warptalons, raptors, bikers, etc... "Death Guard shouldn't have fast units to compensate and have a distinc playstile", but the Terminator move was literally just a money-wise decision.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
... also is not like chaos terminators with mark of nurgle don't exist anymore or something ... you can have both
See, I never got this argument.
They aren't the same. They don't share Death Guard rules. Therefore they don't belong in an all Death Guard army.
All units in an army should always include the exact same blanket rules, It drives me absolutely nuts when things are different. It completely removes the immersion.
This codex absolutely should have included death guard versions of every unit in the chaos codex. There is absolutely no reason not to. For the exception of other god dedicated units obviously.
The problem there is then <Subfaction Codex> simply becomes <Main Codex ++++> and all the happy little min-maxers and even people who simply want a competitive army of that type say "feth this for a joke - why would I ever play <Main Codex> when <Subfaction Codex> has everything in it, plus all of the new shiny additional releases.
The fact is that as long as all of the other stuff can still be taken as Chaos guys with or without the Mark of Nurgle in an allied detachment then you can still run them. The only "immersion" that's ultimately removed is a bit of mechanical rules power.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
I'm thinking 2x 3-man Deathshroud squads with 4x 5-man Blightlord squads with some characters smattered in.
Maybe a few Poxwalker squads for ObSec?
sounds cool, the elite part of a larger army striking in as poxwalkers overwhelm defences and the terminators go to grab some vital tech/vip/objective/kill some vip dude
I'm not going to re-read the lunacy that is the last few pages of this thread, but I'd be very surprised if anyone actually said that. Even that one guy banging on about how relatively difficult it might be for an Inquisitor to acquire power armour, I don't think even that guy said that.
Im basically having to re-build all my lists anyways 
<Dynasty> 
War Coven of the Coruscating Gaze 
~3000pts
Thrice-Damned Plague Corps 
~3250pts
Admech (TBN) 