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I'm probably going to just use Mark III marines as plague marines. All I need is some extra plasma guns and I'm pretty much set.

Warhams-77 wrote:

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:
THX Warhams-77 for the overview. B2 aka "the frogman" is my favourite.
I may add:


EDIT: Forget it, that is D2.

Edit: You meant the Terminator?

That's a nice helmet. I read somewhere on Disqus that people found 12 different PM chest plates in the photos but I dont know if that is actually correct. 9 would be okay, too

Looking through the codex I found 12-14 Helmets too, not including bare heads

 TheWaspinator wrote:
I'm probably going to just use Mark III marines as plague marines. All I need is some extra plasma guns and I'm pretty much set.

I've been thinking about how the plastic MkIIIs could be integrated, but straight from the box they won't match the fancy new PMs. I'm really curious to see the parts breakdown of the PM box, and hopefully things like the chest plates or torsos will be broken down such that they can be mashed with the MkIIIs. If nothing else, I'm hoping to get an extra box of the Easy Builds and spread those parts into the mix to get 10 guys out of a PM box.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
I'm probably going to just use Mark III marines as plague marines. All I need is some extra plasma guns and I'm pretty much set.

They are positively tiny in comparison though.

Anyone have any other ideas for conversion bits? I've ordered the Putrid Blightkings arms and some various chaos heads. What are some other bits that would match for shoulder pads and arms?

 Prometheum5 wrote:

 TheWaspinator wrote:
I'm probably going to just use Mark III marines as plague marines. All I need is some extra plasma guns and I'm pretty much set.

I've been thinking about how the plastic MkIIIs could be integrated, but straight from the box they won't match the fancy new PMs. I'm really curious to see the parts breakdown of the PM box, and hopefully things like the chest plates or torsos will be broken down such that they can be mashed with the MkIIIs. If nothing else, I'm hoping to get an extra box of the Easy Builds and spread those parts into the mix to get 10 guys out of a PM box.

Just buy Dark imperium plague marines at half the price so you don't need to kitbash pieces that aren't the same scale or that look totally out of place.

 Mymearan wrote:

 TheWaspinator wrote:
I'm probably going to just use Mark III marines as plague marines. All I need is some extra plasma guns and I'm pretty much set.

They are positively tiny in comparison though.

Extremely. I've got several at home, and the older metal PM's barely come up to the shoulder of the DI PM

 Kirasu wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:

 TheWaspinator wrote:
I'm probably going to just use Mark III marines as plague marines. All I need is some extra plasma guns and I'm pretty much set.

I've been thinking about how the plastic MkIIIs could be integrated, but straight from the box they won't match the fancy new PMs. I'm really curious to see the parts breakdown of the PM box, and hopefully things like the chest plates or torsos will be broken down such that they can be mashed with the MkIIIs. If nothing else, I'm hoping to get an extra box of the Easy Builds and spread those parts into the mix to get 10 guys out of a PM box.

Just buy Dark imperium plague marines at half the price so you don't need to kitbash pieces that aren't the same scale or that look totally out of place.

Or just get one and one

How many plague marines do you really need. how many could you realistically fit in a list anyway.

 Luciferian wrote:
Anyone have any other ideas for conversion bits? I've ordered the Putrid Blightkings arms and some various chaos heads. What are some other bits that would match for shoulder pads and arms?

I built 2 mace + axe guys using the Chaos Knight but you have to carve the weapons. I love the Blightkings weapons because they are already corroded.
I kept the Fly head for the tallyman when I will buy it; I will find a bird head for the Plague Doctor.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:
Anyone have any other ideas for conversion bits? I've ordered the Putrid Blightkings arms and some various chaos heads. What are some other bits that would match for shoulder pads and arms?

I built 2 mace + axe guys using the Chaos Knight but you have to carve the weapons. I love the Blightkings weapons because they are already corroded.
I kept the Fly head for the tallyman when I will buy it; I will find a bird head for the Plague Doctor.

Some might not agree with this, but using a small drop of plastic glue and a pin vice actually can make for a really nice corrosion effect. The plastic glue makes the area around it a bit weaker and as you drill through, it kind of "mixes" with the remaining plastic to really mess with it in a cool effect.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:
Anyone have any other ideas for conversion bits? I've ordered the Putrid Blightkings arms and some various chaos heads. What are some other bits that would match for shoulder pads and arms?

I built 2 mace + axe guys using the Chaos Knight but you have to carve the weapons. I love the Blightkings weapons because they are already corroded.
I kept the Fly head for the tallyman when I will buy it; I will find a bird head for the Plague Doctor.

Some might not agree with this, but using a small drop of plastic glue and a pin vice actually can make for a really nice corrosion effect. The plastic glue makes the area around it a bit weaker and as you drill through, it kind of "mixes" with the remaining plastic to really mess with it in a cool effect.

I "roughed" up with some green stuff, super thin layer, but this is simple and very smart. I have to try. Thanks.

 Desubot wrote:


Or just get one and one

How many plague marines do you really need. how many could you realistically fit in a list anyway.

This. One box, one easy build kit, and one set from the DI box is plenty. Going to grab one more DI bloat drone and one new kit for the weapons / headplate as well. It's an expensive release but it can be mitigated if you're smart.

Edit: how many times can I mix up bloat drones and plague drones.,....

 Raphael the Raven wrote:

 Desubot wrote:


Or just get one and one

How many plague marines do you really need. how many could you realistically fit in a list anyway.

This. One box, one easy build kit, and one set from the DI box is plenty. Going to grab one more DI bloat drone and one new kit for the weapons / headplate as well. It's an expensive release but it can be mitigated if you're smart.

Edit: how many times can I mix up bloat drones and plague drones.,....

What?

One box, an easy build kit and the Di box - 17 models? And you believe this, less than a full squad, is sufficient for the infamously Infantry heavy Death Guard?

I guess the theme is consistent - this release is perfectly fine so long as you ignore the last two decades of Death Guard background

Charax wrote:

 Raphael the Raven wrote:

 Desubot wrote:


Or just get one and one

How many plague marines do you really need. how many could you realistically fit in a list anyway.

This. One box, one easy build kit, and one set from the DI box is plenty. Going to grab one more DI bloat drone and one new kit for the weapons / headplate as well. It's an expensive release but it can be mitigated if you're smart.

Edit: how many times can I mix up bloat drones and plague drones.,....

What?

One box, an easy build kit and the Di box - 17 models? And you believe this, less than a full squad, is sufficient for the infamously Infantry heavy Death Guard?

I guess the theme is consistent - this release is perfectly fine so long as you ignore the last two decades of Death Guard background

Well it depends if you're going for a fluffy list or a practical list. I'm gonna get all the PM sculpts 19 unique with DI, snap fits and 7 man box + champ + Iconbearer. and then get on repeat which I'll heavily convert to be different to end up with a grand total of 20 PM's.

I suppose if you wanted to get an army of all PM infantry and didn't want repeat sculpts that would be an annoyance but between the 19 sculpts, and the loaded troops choices not to mention the whole rest of he codex, if you're taking much more than that you will be weak in another area, either less elites, less fast attack or less heavy support, which won;t bode well, as these are some of the best DG units.

I agree that it's a hassle, but I'm willing to work with it given how gorgeous all the models are.

I'll have a few units of PM in my games. Will buy 2-3 boxes and convert them to make them more unique. From what we've seen so far there should be a decent variety of chest plates / heads

a couple units of 7 with plasma guns and a unit of 14 Plague Marines - 2 Blight Launchers & rest with Axes and knives. Will advance up the field taking advantage of stratagems like Cloud of Flies and Blight Bombardment.

 Hive City Dweller wrote:

Well it depends if you're going for a fluffy list or a practical list.

But here's the kicker.

A fluffy list is now a practical list. The 'Trait' seriously supports running heavy amounts of infantry - 18 inch rapid fire, no penalty for moving and firing heavy weapons or advancing and firing assault weapons? Yeah, that just screams to run footsloggers. If anything I feel like the bloat drones are a trap to be avoided.

But my issue with the PMs? Not the variety of the chest plates or whatever...but the fact they are literally FIXED into that position.

When legs and back are merged so that your only 'options' are arms (doubtless with moulded on shoulder pads ), heads and a chest plate....ugh. No. No no no.

And that's EXACTLY what the Blightlord Terminators are.

Sorry, that's not variety. That's barely above the snapfits from the starter sets. And yet they have us paying a premium for it. They have us at the same price mark as the plastic 30k stuff which is far superior. And that's just...ugh.

When your approach to the reasons behind not having a 10 man box is BUY THE 3 MAN SET FOR £5 less or BUY SNAPFIT STARTER MODELS then you've lost touch somewhere along the line.

Most armies would kill for all the kits/dark imperium options this army has

This thread man

RIPferdy wrote:
Most armies would kill for all the kits/dark imperium options this army has

This thread man

Haha, agreed!

RIPferdy wrote:
Most armies would kill for all the kits/dark imperium options this army has

This thread man

Most people would want monopose kits with limited options for high prices?

Looks like from the pictures there are 2 plasma guns in the kit. Lets hope there are 3.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

RIPferdy wrote:
Most armies would kill for all the kits/dark imperium options this army has

This thread man

Most people would want monopose kits with limited options for high prices?

GW should do things more like Infinty/Warmachine/X-Wing is probably the single most repeated theme on this board for the past 10-15 years or so (including SoB discussions).

broxus wrote:
Looks like from the pictures there are 2 plasma guns in the kit. Lets hope there are 3.

Plasma isn't too hard to find and kitbash, though scale may be an issue now. What I'm more worried about is the unique options we won't find outside the kit.

RIPferdy wrote:
Most armies would kill for all the kits/dark imperium options this army has

This thread man

You sure about this?

Do you really, really want substandard kits at prices above others for less?

Because this is what this is.

Average Tactical Marine - 10 components not including optional extras like purity seals, pouches or holsters.
Likely Plague Marine - 6 components, 7 if we're lucky.

Maybe you don't like having flexibility or customisation but...that's kinda been the core of Chaos since the word go.

So yeah, not touching these with a bargepole. Or the Blightlords or the Deathshroud.

FW kits and conversion kits will be the way forward.

Haha super sure

You get 10 PMs for super cheap through the starter

3 for a good price through the add on

And then 7 ace looking ones through this!

I love my GSCs and appreciate the board game box they come in (talk about mono pose) and even like the 5 acolyte box and people on here are crying a river over this incredible release :/

Last month people complained about GW killing converting as an aspect of the hobby.

This month, people complain they have to convert stuff to match their preferred levels of visual variety.

I get that both sides have a legitimate gripe with the new system, but at the same time it feels like a game GW cannot win.

We understood. For how many pages is this going to be continued? It has been brought up, everyone understood, discuss it elsewhere if you feel it hasn't been mentioned enough. There are more releases to come and I want this thread to be kept open for a while. Repeating that point ad infinitum is to provoke aggression in this topic which I am not going to accept.

RIPferdy wrote:
Haha super sure

You get 10 PMs for super cheap through the starter

3 for a good price through the add on

And then 7 ace looking ones through this!

I love my GSCs and appreciate the board game box they come in (talk about mono pose) and even like the 5 acolyte box and people on here are crying a river over this incredible release :/

Boy oh boy are your numbers wrong.

Through the starter you say? You get 7. Not 10. You get 7.

A snapfit intro box should NEVER be considered a mandatory or good idea to bulk out a collection. There's a reason they're snap fit and come on pre-coloured plastic. They're intro kits. Designed to get people started. Not supplement an existing army or compensate for odd numbers in a squad box. And that's what's being pushed here.

For a good price you say?

Back in second ed you got 5 monopose models for £5.

Now we have the choice of....

3 for £10 - one of which is a champion by default and one of which is a special weapon by default - sucks if you wanted alternative layouts, eh? Oh, and monopose.
3 for £25 - oh but these are resculpts of the DI plague marines - one is a special weapon by default too. Oh, monopose.

What a sad world we live in where people are just happy to roll over and accept sub-par sculpts and monopose standard as 'a good thing'.

Even more sad when you're willing to accept having to fork out £40 minimum for a 10 man squad which forces your squad composition by default and decry those who look at it, recoil in horror and decide to just use Mk IIIs or similar kits. I mean, hell, if you're telling me it's acceptable to drop £40 or £55 for 10 Marines...may as well buy a box of Mk IIIs and a DG Conversion kit from FW and have models that you can actually pose, get a variety of weapons with and get plenty of leftover bits to make further units look better.

Just curious, but do all the people that hate the "mono pose marines" also hate the skitarii kit? I don't remember people freaking out about that. Its mono pose with bodies/legs. Pretty much the same with the weapons, though you get 3 heavy weapon options. Or the Skitarii Ruststalkers/Infiltraitors. Bodies and legs are all one pose, you get different weapon arms/heads as its a duel kit. Or the Electro Priests? Monopose. Tech Priest Dominus, yup mono pose.

str00dles1 wrote:
Just curious, but do all the people that hate the "mono pose marines" also hate the skitarii kit? I don't remember people freaking out about that. Its mono pose with bodies/legs. Pretty much the same with the weapons, though you get 3 heavy weapon options. Or the Skitarii Ruststalkers/Infiltraitors. Bodies and legs are all one pose, you get different weapon arms/heads as its a duel kit. Or the Electro Priests? Monopose. Tech Priest Dominus, yup mono pose.

I think it's proabably got something to do with the fact that chaos players have had a dumpsterfire of a model line for years, so most of us have become so ingrained in the habits of kitbashing, part-swapping, converting, personalising, etc...that models that you just put together the one way, as they're supposed to be, by the book, and they look good - feels very odd and limiting to us

also, the lack of options and the high prices of the new kits, when we're used to fairly cheap, older kits, that usually had quite a lot of options - not as much as loyalist marines, granted, but still...

str00dles1 wrote:
Just curious, but do all the people that hate the "mono pose marines" also hate the skitarii kit? I don't remember people freaking out about that. Its mono pose with bodies/legs. Pretty much the same with the weapons, though you get 3 heavy weapon options. Or the Skitarii Ruststalkers/Infiltraitors. Bodies and legs are all one pose, you get different weapon arms/heads as its a duel kit. Or the Electro Priests? Monopose. Tech Priest Dominus, yup mono pose.

As someone who's assembled his first Skitarii Rangers three or four weeks ago I can say with confidence that the only reason I would ever buy more is because I want another Onager and the start collecting box includes some. The models that I built look nice, but there is precious little in the way of variety to be found so I have no incentive to assemble any more.

So yeah, as far as I'm concerned this is a step backwards and, obviously, not something that started with 8th ed.