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August WD shows all CSM and GK releases (only old models, with a few reboxed kits) and there isnt a new CSM kit amongst them

 docdoom77 wrote:
So, my FLGS posted this on their facebook page.

Take it for what it's worth:

"BIG LEAK from my GW Rep! Chaos Space Marines are getting new models for basic Chaos Marines. The core Marine box is no longer in system for GW and this typically means a new kit is imminent! You heard it here first guys!"

I hope it's true!

If it's on FB then you could, possibly, post the link? Not that I find it incredibly hard to believe and am slightly concerned that someone has posted exactly the sort of thing someone would post in a CSM update thread if they were looking to stir things up or anything.

 bubber wrote:
Can't you just give the squad the mark of tzeentch?

If going with the last iterations of the non-cult legions, only BL was allowed marked troops. It would make sense if legions all got mark options (maybe with limitations), but they haven't traditionally.

The kit is still availabe.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer-40-000?Nu=product.repositoryId&N=102296+3028052823&qty=96&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat440130a-flat

A few of the start collecting sets will be repackaged. This was reported by Mad Cow Crazy here on Dakka. They already have 32mm bases. The only change that would make sense is a new manual with unit datasheets in it.

 bubber wrote:
Can't you just give the squad the mark of tzeentch?

You could, but Iron Warriors do not worship any of the chaos gods, and certainly they do not worship Tzeentch to the point that they would become Marked by Tzeentch. Basically, so unfluffy.

 ph34r wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Can't you just give the squad the mark of tzeentch?

You could, but Iron Warriors do not worship any of the chaos gods, and certainly they do not worship Tzeentch to the point that they would become Marked by Tzeentch. Basically, so unfluffy.

It's just a keyword now, you don't pay for it from what I can tell. It lets you use specific strategems but not others (for example the khorne extra fight phase). It's not really unfluffy, there are traditionally undivided legions that still have squad members or whole units leaning toward a god. Khorne is much more popular since he is the war god but it's not that big of a stretch. At least it's a choice by you, what would be worse for the fluff is to disallow the legions from any allegiance to a god.

honestly I imagine they just wanted to show off the tzeetch power, and if 1k sons are getting their own codex, no real legion is tzeetchy and I guess they figured IW players would at least appreciate the mechancs of the power

 Red Corsair wrote:

 ph34r wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Can't you just give the squad the mark of tzeentch?

You could, but Iron Warriors do not worship any of the chaos gods, and certainly they do not worship Tzeentch to the point that they would become Marked by Tzeentch. Basically, so unfluffy.

It's just a keyword now, you don't pay for it from what I can tell. It lets you use specific strategems but not others (for example the khorne extra fight phase). It's not really unfluffy, there are traditionally undivided legions that still have squad members or whole units leaning toward a god. Khorne is much more popular since he is the war god but it's not that big of a stretch. At least it's a choice by you, what would be worse for the fluff is to disallow the legions from any allegiance to a god.

Nailed it on the head. You don't even have to call it the MoT, call it whatever you want, fluff wise you could just say they have been marked by your force's sorcery.

 ph34r wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Can't you just give the squad the mark of tzeentch?

You could, but Iron Warriors do not worship any of the chaos gods, and certainly they do not worship Tzeentch to the point that they would become Marked by Tzeentch. Basically, so unfluffy.

Ahriman didn't worshiped Tzeentch. He was marked nonetheless.

I think emperor's children have come out as one of the best legions, despite having one of the middle ground chapter tactics they have access to two of the best stratagems (double shooting, and +1 attack for everyone kill in close combat)

In addition they have exclusive access to the 2nd best troop choice in the codex after berserkers who are exclusive to WE. (other legions only get them as elites which means losing out on 2cp)

The emperor's children tactic + death to the false emperor + music of the apocalypse (noise marine) is going to do magical things

 ph34r wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Can't you just give the squad the mark of tzeentch?

You could, but Iron Warriors do not worship any of the chaos gods, and certainly they do not worship Tzeentch to the point that they would become Marked by Tzeentch. Basically, so unfluffy.

Plenty of Iron Warriors have marks. There is a difference between worshipping and simply accepting power. Horus didn't worship anything, neither does Abaddon or probably any of the Demon Primarchs. Yet they received their power just the same.

You only need to read ADB's Night Lords books to see examples where CSM are worshipping in deed, but not in thought. It's quite possible to attract the attention of a god without courting it.

Iron Warriors originally had the option to take a single unit of Khorne Berserkers in 3rd before 3.5 stripped that away.

Mind you in RT era their favouring of squad sizes of 6-12 hinted at Slaanesh.

Suffice to say it looks like Marks are meaningless still and can be passed around like candy.

Which is good. I may have found my alternate go-to Legion Trait to use if Death Guard get hosed on the Terminator front.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:
So, my FLGS posted this on their facebook page.

Take it for what it's worth:

"BIG LEAK from my GW Rep! Chaos Space Marines are getting new models for basic Chaos Marines. The core Marine box is no longer in system for GW and this typically means a new kit is imminent! You heard it here first guys!"

I hope it's true!

If it's on FB then you could, possibly, post the link? Not that I find it incredibly hard to believe and am slightly concerned that someone has posted exactly the sort of thing someone would post in a CSM update thread if they were looking to stir things up or anything.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10210850925258182&set=gm.1932496346969097&type=3&theater

Here's the link. I was in the store when the call was made. It doesn't really tell us anything. I think a re-boxing is more likely, but I hope it's something better.

 docdoom77 wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:
So, my FLGS posted this on their facebook page.

Take it for what it's worth:

"BIG LEAK from my GW Rep! Chaos Space Marines are getting new models for basic Chaos Marines. The core Marine box is no longer in system for GW and this typically means a new kit is imminent! You heard it here first guys!"

I hope it's true!

If it's on FB then you could, possibly, post the link? Not that I find it incredibly hard to believe and am slightly concerned that someone has posted exactly the sort of thing someone would post in a CSM update thread if they were looking to stir things up or anything.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10210850925258182&set=gm.1932496346969097&type=3&theater

Here's the link. I was in the store when the call was made. It doesn't really tell us anything. I think a re-boxing is more likely, but I hope it's something better.

I think most likely it's gonna be a reboxing,

I think I'm going to continue to maintain a healthily skeptical state of cautious optimism on that one, doesn't tickle my rumourometer, and it's usually pretty accurate.

I just cant think why it would need a reboxing though. Just to say Heretic Astartes: Chaos Space Marines?

Im skeptical but holy that would be awesome.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
I just cant think why it would need a reboxing though. Just to say Heretic Astartes: Chaos Space Marines?

Im skeptical but holy that would be awesome.

to put the rules in the box.

The issue with that is the precious Loyalists would be first up for that, and to my knowledge none have?

 Azreal13 wrote:
The issue with that is the precious Loyalists would be first up for that, and to my knowledge none have?

All the new Primaris have rules in the box.

 Azreal13 wrote:
The issue with that is the precious Loyalists would be first up for that, and to my knowledge none have?

They don't need to re-box them since we all know they're just going to eventually be replaced by Primaris.

 Asmodai wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
The issue with that is the precious Loyalists would be first up for that, and to my knowledge none have?

All the new Primaris have rules in the box.

Which weren't reboxed were they?

Does the current CSM kit have 32mm bases in it? If not I think it's reasonable that they'd be doing both bases as well as datafax via a reboxing. Current SM kits mostly have the 32s in them at this point.

they do have ... that's what the crimson slaughter release months ago was all about

Edit 1: if anything will be another lame rebox with rules integrated and the title hereticus astartes above

I'd be happy with three kits in this Chaos release... a new basic kit, new bezerkers, and a new Abbadon even if what we'll actually get are the bloodsoaked teethclenchers of KhorneTM, foresworn traitor legionairreTM, and Ascended Despoiler Lord of the CicatrixTM.

the only kit that needs an update more than even aborted mutilators ... is havoc ... nothing is more important than updating their metal weapons

As much as I want them to be new models, I would think we'd have seen something of them by now and am gonna have to agree with the popular sentiment that its just another reboxing.

Boy do I hope I am wrong though. A new kit in a similar vein to the Raptor/Warp Talon Box with the newer scale of the 1ksons, Death Guard and Mk III would be great.

Hell even a reboxing of the Mk III and IV with a chaos upgrade sprue.

Man I would beyond over joyed if we got new havocs.

Even more insane, maybe like an actual set of all the heavy weapons and the special weapons in the CSM set.

Let me actually build autocannons for a unit please that aren't resin or metal.

They're not releasing new kits. GW said this is gonna be a minimal release (alongside the GK), that means codex only, and possibly reboxing if they really need to do that. We know GW have been working overtime pumping out Primaris, and with proper Intercessor, Hellblaster and Inceptor squads being released shortly, as well as that tank and more characters, plus Mortarion, anew proper plague marine kit, new PM termies and the new PM tank, I don't know where GW would have had the time to get to work on vanilla chaos kits. There's been no hints at any other new chaos models, and all of that stuff mentioned above was hinted at and sneaked weeks or more before release. GW would have to be unusually tight-lipped on new chaos kits for them to suddenly appear amongst the huge wave of 8th ed releases.

I'm afraid people are getting their hopes up for nothing :-( But GW is watching now. They actually listen now. So GW, pull out those Slaanesh whips and get the boys in the dungeon working on these models we all know chaos needs. Badly... :-D

We already know it isn't getting released alongside the Codex, as we already have the release schedule in the White Dwarf.

However, since they switched to a weekly release schedule from a monthly, they've much more successfully kept things under wraps, if they've a mind to, and have been dropping the odd box and/or blister here or there into the schedule in quiet weeks.

We also have a mixed faction overlap with the Primaris, GK and CSM all releasing alongside each other, and if this isn't a first it's a rarity, but could easily mean the CSM box, if it exists, could release alongside something else completely unrelated a few weeks further out than we've seen.

So, while I don't think they're coming, nothing you say there actually conclusively eliminates the possibility.