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shade1313 wrote:


https://www.brokendicegods.com/single-post/2017/08/02/Grey-Knights-New-Chapter-specific-Primaris-Marines-Codex-Heretic-Astartes-Traits-and-Statagem

Oh good gods. Someone has to be making a dedicated effort to make a modern camera or scanner operate that poorly.

I think I can make out Gift of Chaos.

Casting value 6. Select enemy unit, roll a d6. If it's above their toughness, they take d3+3 mortal wounds. If a character is slain, add a spawn. Pretty good actually. It's going to feel good to turn a commissar into a spawn.

 Colpicklejar wrote:
I think I can make out Gift of Chaos.

Casting value 6. Select enemy unit, roll a d6. If it's above their toughness, they take d3+3 mortal wounds. If a character is slain, add a spawn. Pretty good actually. It's going to feel good to turn a commissar into a spawn.

You could take a Jump Pack Sorcerer with that and Infernal Gaze as a dedicated character sniper.

Voss wrote:

shade1313 wrote:


https://www.brokendicegods.com/single-post/2017/08/02/Grey-Knights-New-Chapter-specific-Primaris-Marines-Codex-Heretic-Astartes-Traits-and-Statagem

Oh good gods. Someone has to be making a dedicated effort to make a modern camera or scanner operate that poorly.

those are from a White Dwarf, so I think those artifacts are from the print itself.

 Colpicklejar wrote:
I think I can make out Gift of Chaos.

Casting value 6. Select enemy unit, roll a d6. If it's above their toughness, they take d3+3 mortal wounds. If a character is slain, add a spawn. Pretty good actually. It's going to feel good to turn a commissar into a spawn.

......and we're headed back down the rabbit hole of "how many dice can we make someone roll to do 1 thing." Seriously, you have to roll for the psychic test, the d6 to compare to toughness, then the mortal wounds. This can be good, but way, way waaaaayyyyy too random for my blood....

You don't have to roll for the mortal wounds against the most important target. Commissars will die just from the minimum 4.

 Battlesong wrote:

 Colpicklejar wrote:
I think I can make out Gift of Chaos.

Casting value 6. Select enemy unit, roll a d6. If it's above their toughness, they take d3+3 mortal wounds. If a character is slain, add a spawn. Pretty good actually. It's going to feel good to turn a commissar into a spawn.

......and we're headed back down the rabbit hole of "how many dice can we make someone roll to do 1 thing." Seriously, you have to roll for the psychic test, the d6 to compare to toughness, then the mortal wounds. This can be good, but way, way waaaaayyyyy too random for my blood....

Eh. The basic resolution system for the game is three rolls (per attack).
Though admittedly the sheer absurd number of dice that can be generated by attacks should just replaced by a set statistical resolution. It would save boatloads of time.

Voss wrote:

 Battlesong wrote:

 Colpicklejar wrote:
I think I can make out Gift of Chaos.

Casting value 6. Select enemy unit, roll a d6. If it's above their toughness, they take d3+3 mortal wounds. If a character is slain, add a spawn. Pretty good actually. It's going to feel good to turn a commissar into a spawn.

......and we're headed back down the rabbit hole of "how many dice can we make someone roll to do 1 thing." Seriously, you have to roll for the psychic test, the d6 to compare to toughness, then the mortal wounds. This can be good, but way, way waaaaayyyyy too random for my blood....

Eh. The basic resolution system for the game is three rolls (per attack).
Though admittedly the sheer absurd number of dice that can be generated by attacks should just replaced by a set statistical resolution. It would save boatloads of time.

No kidding, I played in a tourney over the weekend and got charged by a unit of Ork Boyz.....108 attacks......

 axisofentropy wrote:

Voss wrote:

shade1313 wrote:


https://www.brokendicegods.com/single-post/2017/08/02/Grey-Knights-New-Chapter-specific-Primaris-Marines-Codex-Heretic-Astartes-Traits-and-Statagem

Oh good gods. Someone has to be making a dedicated effort to make a modern camera or scanner operate that poorly.

those are from a White Dwarf, so I think those artifacts are from the print itself.

I really feel like this is GW purposefully leaking gak to keep the excitement up but also keeping them so gakky quality they might as well be worthless images.

 andysonic1 wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:

Voss wrote:

shade1313 wrote:


https://www.brokendicegods.com/single-post/2017/08/02/Grey-Knights-New-Chapter-specific-Primaris-Marines-Codex-Heretic-Astartes-Traits-and-Statagem

Oh good gods. Someone has to be making a dedicated effort to make a modern camera or scanner operate that poorly.

those are from a White Dwarf, so I think those artifacts are from the print itself.

I really feel like this is GW purposefully leaking gak to keep the excitement up but also keeping them so gakky quality they might as well be worthless images.

The Codex pages printed in the WD tend to be about an inch square, so they can only be CSI'd so far.

What's the toughness of a commissar?

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
What's the toughness of a commissar?

A Commisar is just a guardsman with a fancy ha a bolt pistol and added zeal, 3.

 Colpicklejar wrote:
I think I can make out Gift of Chaos.

Casting value 6. Select enemy unit, roll a d6. If it's above their toughness, they take d3+3 mortal wounds. If a character is slain, add a spawn. Pretty good actually. It's going to feel good to turn a commissar into a spawn.

Now, maybe it's just me but....I'm pretty sure I see a single digit range on that power. Maybe it is 18, but that's best case (and still too short do anything to a commissar).

SilverAlien wrote:

 Colpicklejar wrote:
I think I can make out Gift of Chaos.

Casting value 6. Select enemy unit, roll a d6. If it's above their toughness, they take d3+3 mortal wounds. If a character is slain, add a spawn. Pretty good actually. It's going to feel good to turn a commissar into a spawn.

Now, maybe it's just me but....I'm pretty sure I see a single digit range on that power. Maybe it is 18, but that's best case (and still too short do anything to a commissar).

Yea, looks like a six to me. Bummer.

Overall, I like it. Its more or less what I expected really.

Yes, there are a lot of similarities, but that's fine. It puts us at an even level with most SM chapters and that's all I ask for. And we still got a few primarchs waiting to be released. And there's death guard. We may get world Eaters codex and Angron, and Fulgrim and Emperor's children codex down the road too.

I forget, are any of the non cult legion primarches alive?

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
I forget, are any of the non cult legion primarches alive?

Perturabo, Lorgar, and maybe alpharius( and omegon?)

shade1313 wrote:

PrimarisBA wrote:
[url=https://www.brokendicegods.com/single-post/2017/08/02/Grey-Knights-New-Chapter-specific-Primaris-Marines-Codex-Heretic-Astartes-Traits-and-StatagemChaos Stratagem and Traits
]Chaos Stratagem and legion traits[/url]
Stratagem:
From Within, From Without,
Scion of Sorcery,
Excess of Violence(?)
Dark Pact (World Bearer)

Legion Traits:
Black Legion: Black Crusaders
Night Lords: Terror Tactics
Emperors Children: Flawless Perfection
World Bearers: Profane Zeal
Aplha Legion: Hidden in Plain Sight
Renegade Chapters: Dark Raiders
World Eaters: Buthcers Nails

Let's fix that for you.

https://www.brokendicegods.com/single-post/2017/08/02/Grey-Knights-New-Chapter-specific-Primaris-Marines-Codex-Heretic-Astartes-Traits-and-Statagem

I'm seeing: "Renegade Chapters: Dark Raiders - Units with this trait can advance and charge in the same turn." Am I seeing that right? Because that would be fantastic.

 RenegadeDuck wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

PrimarisBA wrote:
[url=https://www.brokendicegods.com/single-post/2017/08/02/Grey-Knights-New-Chapter-specific-Primaris-Marines-Codex-Heretic-Astartes-Traits-and-StatagemChaos Stratagem and Traits
]Chaos Stratagem and legion traits[/url]
Stratagem:
From Within, From Without,
Scion of Sorcery,
Excess of Violence(?)
Dark Pact (World Bearer)

Legion Traits:
Black Legion: Black Crusaders
Night Lords: Terror Tactics
Emperors Children: Flawless Perfection
World Bearers: Profane Zeal
Aplha Legion: Hidden in Plain Sight
Renegade Chapters: Dark Raiders
World Eaters: Buthcers Nails

Let's fix that for you.

https://www.brokendicegods.com/single-post/2017/08/02/Grey-Knights-New-Chapter-specific-Primaris-Marines-Codex-Heretic-Astartes-Traits-and-Statagem

I'm seeing: "Renegade Chapters: Dark Raiders - Units with this trait can advance and charge in the same turn." Am I seeing that right? Because that would be fantastic.

Yeah that is there trait from all the rumours posted so far, it makes me want to do an all biker army again.

It's ok. You'll be kicking yourself you didn't go for reroll morale when your army is flying all over the table kicking faces in.

Ok that's my last salty comment until the preview.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
I forget, are any of the non cult legion primarches alive?

There are 7 left on both sides. Horus, curze and alpharius are dead (recent heresy book is extremely clear that he is dead). Of course, with psychic indoctrination many are programmed to think they are alpharius.

 Kirasu wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
I forget, are any of the non cult legion primarches alive?

There are 7 left on both sides. Horus, curze and alpharius are dead (recent heresy book is extremely clear that he is dead). Of course, with psychic indoctrination many are programmed to think they are alpharius.

What about Omegon ?

Personal opinion time: Omegon has gradually gone insane and now considers himself Alpharius, just like every one of his "sons."

But, Chaos Primarchs remaining should be: Angron, Magnus, Mortarion, Fulgrim (kinda sorta not really), Perturabo, Lorgar, and Omegon.

Unless I missed someone.

I am expecting some kick ass aura buffs and stats from Mortarion. I mean, look at Gulliman. He has monster stats, wields OP weapons, and his aura is op too (rerolls to hit and wounds!) lol.

Mortarion is such a famous Daemon Primarch, I would be disappointed if he was worse than Gulliman.

Eldenfirefly wrote:
I am expecting some kick ass aura buffs and stats from Mortarion. I mean, look at Gulliman. He has monster stats, wields OP weapons, and his aura is op too (rerolls to hit and wounds!) lol.

Mortarion is such a famous Daemon Primarch, I would be disappointed if he was worse than Gulliman.

Mortarian will be good, but don't expect him to just be "Gulliman for the death guard" for one thing Morty is a DEAMON PRIMARCH, so he's going to be more powerful (with a higher price tag) most likely, also he's proably not gonna be as good a buffer as Gulliman, because that's not really the character Schtick. Mortiarian wasn't partiuclarly famed as a leader of men the way Gulliman was. (none of the, surviving, chaos Primarchs where really in the same League as Gulliman that way. Looking at Gulliman and Magnus though we can make a prediction. I'm gonna guess that Mortarian will allow re-rolled armor and or disgustingly resiliant saves of all units within 7 inches. (if he allows re-rolls of DR he's gonna be a near auto take for death guard IMHO)

He'll probably be heavier on the killy side than the buffing side, much like Magnus.

However he will also probably be more than 10 wounds and liable to be gibbed before he does anything useful, also like Magnus.

Arachnofiend wrote:
He'll probably be heavier on the killy side than the buffing side, much like Magnus.

However he will also probably be more than 10 wounds and liable to be gibbed before he does anything useful, also like Magnus.

My guess is that putting him down isn't gonna be that easy (although yes hell have more then 10 wounds, I'd bet 21, multiples of 7 and all ) nurgle is the "tankyness god" so I suspect Mortarian is gonna be the "tanky" deamon Primarch. I mean, let's assume my guesses are about right, stats wise he'll likely be Toughness 7 or 8, 21 wounds (I went with 21 as it's a multiple of 7) invul 4+ with DR re-rolling 1s on DR... he could potentially be pretty tough to take down

Cant see Mortarion giving anywhere near te buffs Gulliman gives. Im sure he will have a more powerful plague aura, maybe causing mortal wound on a 5/4+ . Hes going to be scary in combat, can obviously fly and possibly a couple of psychc powers? I imagine he'll be pretty tough to kill, possibly some cloud of flies like thing/noxious clouds making him a little harder to shoot at

These leaks are clearly GW keeping the hype alive. no reason other than intention for the quality to be so low. From what little I can read of it I think the Despoilers of the Galaxy is ObSec, it's talking about objective counters I believe. I dunno if it' say chaos infantry get this or just CSM though. Imagine cultists with ObSec...

The Alpharius thing is up in the air, as is everything AL. Alpharius may have been two people all along (twins) or he may have been one soul split into two bodies by some weird freak of psychic accident (or design....). He/they may or may not be dead because we know for sure they body swapped all the time, and designed their/his legionnaires to look almost exactly alike him/them. At any point they're described as dying you just don't know if it was really them or not. There're theories that Alpharius or Omegon may have gone on to become the founder of the Grey Knights, there's also one that one of them took up disguise as Guilliman. I doubt the later is true given GW's hard-on for Smurfs but the former *might* be true. The fact that such theories exist shows you how uncertain you be of anything AL related, especially concerning their primarch(s). My own pet theory is similar to the way Malkavian work in VtM, I reckon Alpharius had his soul split into two bodies and his entire legion were psychic extensions of him. I think the physical Alpharius is dead but the psychic essence of him, split into two still resides in the Alpha Legionnaires but has gone insane by being affected by the psychic equivalent of a split-personality. Hence why they still seem to follow conflicting objectives, working both for and against chaos, for and against the Imperium without really knowing why. That's my pet theory anyway and entirely OT!

Mortarion - he'll be more of a beat stick but good luck killing him. Expect T8/9, tons of wounds, 2+/5++/4+++ save and maybe even some kind of -1 hit cloud.His buff will be basic I think, he doesn't exactly lead his legion anymore.

Demantiae wrote:

Mortarion - he'll be more of a beat stick but good luck killing him. Expect T8/9, tons of wounds, 2+/5++/4+++ save and maybe even some kind of -1 hit cloud.His buff will be basic I think, he doesn't exactly lead his legion anymore.

He does again. The rulebook and the DG booklet point out that Mortarion unified the DG and took the lead. Typhus doesn't follow him, though.