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 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Are Death Guard getting their own Codex?

Yes. Quite soon, even.
Thousand Sons are likely to get one eventually, too.

The Death Guard codex will have rules for Mortarion, the third Primarch we've seen in 40K.

The Thousand Sons are explicitly getting their own codex, per the intro language in the various Legion preview pages.

 Galas wrote:
Plus, Fabius Bile in the mission to do some Primaris Chaos Marines boys!

So I guess we ain't ever getting a new CSM box.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'd still rather have had Plague Marines stay at the same cost and get a Pistol and extra attack. Still mildly butthurt about it.

I think the current version is stronger. You can mix melee with ranged options to give something of comparable power (two flails ends up at about the same spot as 2 melee attacks on everyone) while dedicated ranged/melee are still an option,, for people wanting to specialize or run barebones objective grabbers (eventually with DG codex).

I think this was overall a good way to handle it.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/05/legion-focus-word-bearers-aug-5gw-homepage-post-2/

word bearers look pretty solid

Any word on if marks do anything other than add keywords?

Mazzyx wrote:

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
I wonder how much the Noise Marine sonic weapons cost in points now...

No change. So 19 pts for a NM with a sonic plaster. The Blastmaster dropped 8 pts though. Its cheaper than a ML/lascannon now.

Damn that blastmaster is really good bargain now! It is actually more efficient damage wise than krak missile!

 buddha wrote:
Any word on if marks do anything other than add keywords?

They are just keywords as confirmed by multiple people with the book, they have no benefit beyond that.

I took a look at the information on YouTube.

The book is a pretty good primer for the future.
The book has a few holes, but not enough for me to get pissy about. As to Bile, how many models are out for him, or are they just going for that model, that came out around 3d-4th edition?

Is he in plastic, yet? I am really liking the deviousness coming out of there. A few chaos Primaris might be in order, when I put a couple of fly heads and zombie bits on them.....

Deathguard bound and loving papa nurgles love!!!

I also can't wait to defile that fancy new dread. I'm going to have my way with it and let it ooze Nurgles favor as I add in the resin drippings and the Nurglings to taste!


Take that, you nancy boy Primaris, Nurgles coming for you!!!

 buddha wrote:
Any word on if marks do anything other than add keywords?

That's all they do BUT some powers need the keywords

 buddha wrote:
Any word on if marks do anything other than add keywords?

Honestly it looks like someone overlooked writing about them. right now, all they are is a footnote.

Oldmike wrote:

 buddha wrote:
Any word on if marks do anything other than add keywords?

That's all they do BUT some powers need the keywords

Yeah, I have understood that you cannot target Nurgle Psychic powers to Slaanesh/Khorne/Tzeentch units. Although now that I think of this, this is just my assumption, although quite sensible fluffwise.

EDIT: Yes, it is limited in Chaos deity spells that it's only for units of their dedication.

 Grot 6 wrote:
As to Bile, how many models are out for him, or are they just going for that model, that came out around 3d-4th edition?

It's the same model since 2nd edition.

be hilarious if csm get new primaris before all their old kits

 aracersss wrote:
be hilarious if csm get new primaris before all their old kits

I'm laughing on the outside but crying on the inside...

I think chaos primaris are unlikely to be happening soon, that's likely something that'll come after WE/EC get standalone armies, which itself is probably a couple years away judging by their inclusion.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
As to Bile, how many models are out for him, or are they just going for that model, that came out around 3d-4th edition?

It's the same model since 2nd edition.

It's withstood the test of time quite well I think.

 aracersss wrote:
be hilarious if csm get new primaris before all their old kits

If we do we will never see new old marine kits

 techsoldaten wrote:
I think these profiles are in this book as a matter of completeness - no one wants to lug around the Index and the Codex.

Do you have....

A Chaos Lord on a Bike
A Chaos Sorcerer on a Bike
A Chaos Lord on a Palanquin
A Chaos Sorcerer on Palanquin
A Chaos Sorcerer on a Disc
A Chaos Lord on a Juggernaut

or

A Chaos Lord/Sorcerer on a Steed of Slaanesh?

If so, guess what?

You're lugging around the Index anyway to use those

SilverAlien wrote:
I think chaos primaris are unlikely to be happening soon, that's likely something that'll come after WE/EC get standalone armies, which itself is probably a couple years away judging by their inclusion.

Primaris Marines had to have been in development for quite some time. I think we would have seen GW up the scale of the Thousand Sons and Death Guard if there were plans for large scale roll out. Instead we'll probably see a specific unit or 2 based off primaris. Something like a redone Obliterator/Mutilator kit which is needed or a redone Possessed Kit that is needed.

Mazzyx wrote:
Point breakdown on miniwargaming review. Lots of down.

Bikers- 29 pts (-2 pts per model)
Cultist- 4 pts (-1 pt)
Lord in termi-105 pts
Pred-90 pts
Vindi-135 pts
Defiler-152 (60ish pt decrease)
Lord of Skulls-365 (100 pts less)
Maulerfiend-140 (9pts less)
Mutliators-50 pts
Noise Marines-15 pts (1 per guy)
Plagues-19 pts (2 per model)
Warpsmith-45 pts(-33 pts)
Abbadon-240 (-13 pts)
Kharne-160 (-13 pts)
Bloodletters/Daemonettes-7 pts (-2 per model)
Horrors-
Blue no change
brimstone-3 pts (+1)
plagues-7 pts (-1)

Weapons:
Baleflamer-30 pts (-30 pts)
Blastmaster-20 pts (-8)
Hades AC-25 (-8 pts)
Reaper-15 pts (-3 pts)
Soulreaper-15 pts (-5 pts)

Melee:
Daemonic axe-10 pts (-35 pts)
Helforged sword-10 pts (-35 pts)
L claws-8/12 (-1 pt)
plague sword-1 pt (-2 pts)
power fist-12 pts (-8 pts)


That is all the point changes.

Found here.

https://youtu.be/wQa-to_os94

Bikes are now 25 pts.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
be hilarious if csm get new primaris before all their old kits

I'm laughing on the outside but crying on the inside...

Oh, so that's what your avatar is doing…

 buddha wrote:
Any word on if marks do anything other than add keywords?

yeah, pretty much. It makes more stratagems applicable and for the 3 magic gods, each is a spell they can cast. WH-Community previewed them all already, I believe.

Not happy with the WB rules.

Nvs wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:
I think chaos primaris are unlikely to be happening soon, that's likely something that'll come after WE/EC get standalone armies, which itself is probably a couple years away judging by their inclusion.

Primaris Marines had to have been in development for quite some time. I think we would have seen GW up the scale of the Thousand Sons and Death Guard if there were plans for large scale roll out. Instead we'll probably see a specific unit or 2 based off primaris. Something like a redone Obliterator/Mutilator kit which is needed or a redone Possessed Kit that is needed.

CSM the size of the DV chosen would probably be enough. They look bulky compared to the old sculpts.
Or they could use the Gal Vorbak / Blade Slaves size and those are suppossed to have started as normal marines anyway, before they mutated.

 Galas wrote:
So Brimstones are up in price a 50%. I don't know if thats enough but... is something.

Does this help?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/05/legion-focus-word-bearers-aug-5gw-homepage-post-2/ wrote:Horrors of all kinds have been very popular in the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, and it’s hard to deny the appeal of a pack of malevolent, sentient magic. All the same, we’ve made some tweaks to Horrors to encourage a wider diversity of army builds. Firstly, you’ll need a full unit of 10 or more Pink Horrors to do more than a single Wound when you cast Smite. Secondly, Pink Horrors cost fewer points and Brimstone Horrors cost more. All other lesser Daemons have dropped in points, too, meaning whatever you’re, summoning you’ll get more for your reinforcement points.

 Grot 6 wrote:

 buddha wrote:
Any word on if marks do anything other than add keywords?

Honestly it looks like someone overlooked writing about them. right now, all they are is a footnote.

Nope. They control interactions.

I think people misunderstand what keywords are for: they're a reference tag or pointer for other rules.

GW's problem is
a) they didn't bother to explain the design intent behind them (to be honest, I don't think they really understand them, just that they're a recently popular way of handling rules)
a1) this really shines through because they don't have types or subtypes: faction, subfaction, marks, and unit types are all under keywords as if they were the same thing, which lead to having to clarify that stormtroopers and ogryn auxiliary aren't actually regiments, which would have been clear if the keywords had types. [Much like with programming variables, integers and decimals aren't the same thing and shouldn't be used interchangeably). Which was also why the <Stupid Exploit> chapter/regiment/forge world had to be quashed, because they didn't bother to explain or assign types the keywords.

b) there are far too many (and they're left open to be effectively infinite- every planet in the galaxy could have a different guard regiment, for example)

c) simultaneously with the too many keywords, there aren't many rules that interact with them. This isn't necessarily a problem, but the player base is accustomed to Marks being really significant and paint scheme... not so much. That they just seem to be targets for a few spells and stratagems lessens their significance immensely. Hence why GW is recommending silly things like Iron Warrior Tzeentch Terminators and Sorcerers, and Slaaneshi Havocs (to use the double shoot stratagem) to prop up the shoddy Chapter Tactics of the non-god legions. The fluff is out the window in favor of scrounging up the few buffs that even exist.

 Sersi wrote:

Mazzyx wrote:
Point breakdown on miniwargaming review. Lots of down.

Bikers- 29 pts (-2 pts per model)
Cultist- 4 pts (-1 pt)
Lord in termi-105 pts
Pred-90 pts
Vindi-135 pts
Defiler-152 (60ish pt decrease)
Lord of Skulls-365 (100 pts less)
Maulerfiend-140 (9pts less)
Mutliators-50 pts
Noise Marines-15 pts (1 per guy)
Plagues-19 pts (2 per model)
Warpsmith-45 pts(-33 pts)
Abbadon-240 (-13 pts)
Kharne-160 (-13 pts)
Bloodletters/Daemonettes-7 pts (-2 per model)
Horrors-
Blue no change
brimstone-3 pts (+1)
plagues-7 pts (-1)

Weapons:
Baleflamer-30 pts (-30 pts)
Blastmaster-20 pts (-8)
Hades AC-25 (-8 pts)
Reaper-15 pts (-3 pts)
Soulreaper-15 pts (-5 pts)

Melee:
Daemonic axe-10 pts (-35 pts)
Helforged sword-10 pts (-35 pts)
L claws-8/12 (-1 pt)
plague sword-1 pt (-2 pts)
power fist-12 pts (-8 pts)


That is all the point changes.

Found here.

https://youtu.be/wQa-to_os94

Bikes are now 25 pts.

No change in Rubics?

 mrhappyface wrote:

No wolves on Fenris wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Aint even mad about Fabius, like good excuse to make new upscaled normal CSM, wasn't there a retailer that said the standard CSM were getting updated?

Besides who can blame him, if your job is to make stuff, if you see new stuff not like your old stuff, you're gonna wanna steal that stuff to make new stuff!

Could that random double eagle skull icon that appeared on WarCom yesterday maybe relate to traitor primaris? Ones that Bile has managed to create

Link?

Can't find it as it's not on the community site anymore

No wolves on Fenris wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

No wolves on Fenris wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Aint even mad about Fabius, like good excuse to make new upscaled normal CSM, wasn't there a retailer that said the standard CSM were getting updated?

Besides who can blame him, if your job is to make stuff, if you see new stuff not like your old stuff, you're gonna wanna steal that stuff to make new stuff!

Could that random double eagle skull icon that appeared on WarCom yesterday maybe relate to traitor primaris? Ones that Bile has managed to create

Link?

Can't find it as it's not on the community site anymore

Wait, are you on about this?
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/03/incoming-transmission-b50-ap78903mh-aug-3gw-homepage-post-4/

No wolves on Fenris wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

No wolves on Fenris wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Aint even mad about Fabius, like good excuse to make new upscaled normal CSM, wasn't there a retailer that said the standard CSM were getting updated?

Besides who can blame him, if your job is to make stuff, if you see new stuff not like your old stuff, you're gonna wanna steal that stuff to make new stuff!

Could that random double eagle skull icon that appeared on WarCom yesterday maybe relate to traitor primaris? Ones that Bile has managed to create

Link?

Can't find it as it's not on the community site anymore

Do you mean THIS?

Any credence to the rumor that cult troops aren't troops anymore for their respective legions?