40K RPG WRATH & GLORY

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**Mysterio**

Pre-order is live and...isn't very compelling.

Even the 'player' options feels unnecessarily expensive.

$100 for the rulebook, 2 card packs and 5 dice?

Is there a good reason to not wait until retail for this?

And I'd want some - but not all - of what's in the "ALL IN" bundle, but nothing in there looks exclusive?

Are the rumored 'extras' that will be added in over the pre-order period really going to make it worth it?

I wonder...

**BrookM**

And a link, you tease: https://www.ulisses-us.com/wrathandglory/

Hrm, probably still all in, but I still have some time to think this all over, got to survive the Imperial Knight preorder first tomorrow.

**warboss**

Mysterio wrote:
Pre-order is live and...isn't very compelling.

Even the 'player' options feels unnecessarily expensive.

$100 for the rulebook, 2 card packs and 5 dice?

Is there a good reason to not wait until retail for this?

And I'd want some - but not all - of what's in the "ALL IN" bundle, but nothing in there looks exclusive?

Are the rumored 'extras' that will be added in over the pre-order period really going to make it worth it?

I wonder...

One added benefit mentioned by brookm is that the order direct from them comes with a free legal pdf as an added value. It's not enough to convince me personally but it may be the deciding factor for some.

**BrookM**

True, it is hit or miss depending on the consumer. It would work out for me personally, as the pdf's are great for group distribution.

**Vector Strike**

$60 for a rulebook? Eh, I'll pass.

**Mysterio**

$50 is a somewhat non-discounted 'normal' price for a hardback RPG core book.

I'm just not seeing stuff worth $100 here for me.

I'd love to be convinced otherwise though - even up to the all-in pledge.

**Elbows**

Woof, $100...noooope.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I guess it's just about ok if you value the reference cards,

but if not you're far better off waiting until you can just get the book and dice

**Grinshanks**

The extra $190 gets you;

Dark Tides Scenario Book
GM Screen
Wrath Card Deck
Campaign Card Deck
Perils of the Warp Card Deck
Combat Complications Card Deck
Wrath & Glory Digital Soundtrack
3 Double-Sided Battle Maps (1 large, 2 medium)
Beginner’s Rulebook and a new Starter Adventure (“Escape Da Rok”)
6 Pre-Generated Characters on Deluxe Character Sheets
20 Ceramic Poker Chip-Style Counters for Wrath, Glory, and Ruin
Acrylic Tokens for Characters, Enemies, and NPCs
Exclusive Collectors Box
5 Extra dice

How much of this will be sold separately do you think?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

all but the collectors box and the poker chips and soundtrack at a quess?

**Mysterio**

Are any of the big online retailers planning on carrying this?

As this will quite possibly never get played by me and my group locally, I'm OK waiting for better pricing.

**schoon**

For me, the All-In is worth it.

However that includes the caveat that I'm the GM for my group and also run at cons.

**Mysterio**

Do we know any more about what's in the card packs?

And how many cards are in each pack?

**H.B.M.C.**

And whether they're required to play the game?

**BaronIveagh**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
And whether they're required to play the game?

This, this right here. Because if it is, I ain't buying.

**Insurgency Walker**

BaronIveagh wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
And whether they're required to play the game?

This, this right here. Because if it is, I ain't buying.

I think they are not required, but for book keeping ease. I gathered that from some of the developers posts. I certainly hope that. When you consider how they lay out game books it wouldn't surprise me if the cards where just a convenient money grab. ( Like in regular 40k.) I also think it's interesting (maybe concerning) that they have a set for the campaign which I hope isn't mostly a reprint with a couple different cards added. Seems like a campaign deck would be more of an expansion.

**Chairman Aeon**

In a perfect world those cards would look like Blanche sketches in sepia tone with game information overlayed on them. Hmm...

**warboss**

Chairman Aeon wrote:
In a perfect world those cards would look like Blanche sketches in sepia tone with game information overlayed on them. Hmm...

Alternately for other players, the overly busy nonsensical sepia Blanche art would instantly strike it from the must buy list. Personally, I believe Blanche's stuff is best left to the annals of 40k design history and referred to only for inspiration rather than being used as is in the modern (post 3rd edition) 40k era of asthetics. YMMV as obviously they can't please everyone all the time. I think the art shown here is ok (not my favorite) but it's (for me) leagues better than the 1st edition Blanche stuff. Personally, I prefer whoever does their cover art for the past couple of editions but that art is likey too time intensive for interior filler art.

**BrookM**

Ray Swanland is the artist who has done most of the codex cover of the previous edition(s), sticking to a certain style throughout.

As for the current artist, the cover art done for the RPG books is by Diego Gisbert Llorens, who has done some excellent art for GW and the roleplay books in the past.

Spoiler:

**Adeptus Doritos**

I'm gonna have to find out what my options are. If it's limited to very specific classes, I'll take a hard pass on it.

**Arbitrator**

$100 is utterly ridiculous. I expected that to be for a collector's edition, but it turns out that's even steeper. I'm seeing the $60 number being touted around for the corebook alone, but I can't see anything about that on the site, unless some cards and dice will come to $40?

**BrookM**

From Facebook:

**Mr_Rose**

“You see, Luke: this is why the Master/Apprentice system was invented; learning on your own leads to situations like this, and one individual can’t properly bond with a group well enough to be an effective teacher.”
“Yes, Father, I see now. Shouldn’t we be helping him though?”
“No, son, some men you just can’t reach.”

**BrookM**

Okay..?

Anyway: https://www.ulisses-us.com/wrath-glory-bonus-content-ogryns/

Another pre-order "bonus" of sorts.

**Mysterio**

The bonus pre-order stuff has not been very compelling so far.

Also, unless I've missed it, they're telling us nothing in terms of what you're getting in the 'all in' bundle.

What are the card decks all about?

What's in them?

How many cards each deck?

Absolutely necessary for play or just a handy aid?

Have they answered this anywhere yet?

Are they more forthcoming on their Facebook page?

Somewhere else?

**BlueGrassGamer**

Mysterio wrote:

Spoiler:

The bonus pre-order stuff has not been very compelling so far.

Also, unless I've missed it, they're telling us nothing in terms of what you're getting in the 'all in' bundle.

What are the card decks all about?

What's in them?

How many cards each deck?

Absolutely necessary for play or just a handy aid?

Have they answered this anywhere yet?

Are they more forthcoming on their Facebook page?

Somewhere else?

If you have Twitch, and it's in the BoLS archives, I'd recommend finding the play-through of the rules that they did back in May. The adventure was called The Box of Shadows. Just about all of the card decks were used.

**Mysterio**

That'd be a no (Twitch) and a no-f'n-thanks (BoLS)!

I'll continue to try and hunt down info that should be clearly visible on the product page where they're asking for $290+ to pre-order this thing.

**warboss**

BrookM wrote:
Okay..?

Anyway: https://www.ulisses-us.com/wrath-glory-bonus-content-ogryns/

Another pre-order "bonus" of sorts.

Interesting albeit a digital only WIP preview. Maybe by the end of the preorder period, the $100 package will seem more worth it. It's too bad the shipping isn't free. I'm surrpised to see their US hub is in Knoxville TN.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I'm unconvinced, I think the only way the preorder price will seem attractive is if the card packs are required (rather than just a convenience)

and that will cause a fairly major uproar as even if many will end up buying them being made to buy them will not make them happy

**Mysterio**

More info...

Wrath Card Deck – This card deck details numerous brutal critical hits for combat in Wrath & Glory, plus they are useful for determining the outcome of a threatening task (situations where the entire warband works together to complete steps towards resolving a dangerous situation).

Campaign Card Deck – These cards put some narrative control into the players hands for games of Wrath & Glory. Each card’s effects are immersive into the universe of Warhammer 40,000 and help connect the player to the themes and tropes of the setting.

Perils of the Warp Card Deck – Using psychic powers are dangerous in the 41st Millennium. Unfortunate psykers may manifest all manner of bizarre and sinister phenomena… and this card deck details the horrific events that ensue.

Combat Complications Card Deck – In Wrath & Glory, rolling a complication during a test means that the situation changes – usually becoming more difficult or problematic for the character. This deck is useful for when a complication is rolled in combat and contains many example situations that may occur.

Talents and Psychic Powers Card Pack – This card deck contains handy reference material for a character’s talents or psychic powers that they may possess.

Gear Card Pack – This card contains handy references for weapons, armour, and other important wargear for Wrath & Glory characters.

From their forum:

One of the employees (Eric) answered my question, when I asked if the contents of the card packs would be included in the Core Rulebook (as tables or rules sections, for instance) or if the contents would only be available via the cards themselves. I received the following answer:
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The Campaign Card Deck is entirely separate and not duplicated in the book. That's because those cards are drawn and played by the players rather than triggered by events. The other decks are covered with tables, but the tables of course don't include the nice art or the feel of drawing them from a deck.

The other advantage of the card deck is that it can grow and change over time with promos or expansions.