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 warboss wrote:
Never heard of Cubicle 7 although I wouldn't consider myself knowledgable about more recent (past 15 years) companies in the industry. Regardless, it's officially a pattern now with the company that develops the 40k RPG to hand it off within a year.

As a long time Warhammer fluff addict and occasional gamer being really enjoying the 4th Ed WFRP, they have been working very hard on the theme, expanding the background and style. Imagery is also good. System is a bit marmite but close enough to the original 1st adn 2nd edition to be conversion fodder.

Age of Sigmar looks good with some of the primary world building authors like Josh Reynolds being invoved.

Looking forward to seeing where this goes.

 Nova_Impero wrote:
Between this and the Age of Sigmar RPG, the GW RPG section has been a complete and utter mess from top to bottom.

I'm not familiar with any issues regarding the AoS RPG. Would you care to elaborate?

 EnTyme wrote:

 Nova_Impero wrote:
Between this and the Age of Sigmar RPG, the GW RPG section has been a complete and utter mess from top to bottom.

I'm not familiar with any issues regarding the AoS RPG. Would you care to elaborate?

Due for 2018, still not out IIRC.

https://aosshorts.com/age-of-sigmar-rpg-update/

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Are Cubicle 7 a larger or more well-established company than Ulysses? Perhaps Ulysses decided they couldn't / didn't want to support the game the way GW wanted them to, so let it go.

No, not even close. Ulisses Spiele is one of the largest publishers of RPGs out there. Their NA branch is fairly new though.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 Nova_Impero wrote:
Between this and the Age of Sigmar RPG, the GW RPG section has been a complete and utter mess from top to bottom.

I'm not familiar with any issues regarding the AoS RPG. Would you care to elaborate?

Due for 2018, still not out IIRC.

https://aosshorts.com/age-of-sigmar-rpg-update/

Oh, right. I forgot it was delayed by quite a bit.

 DrNo172000 wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Are Cubicle 7 a larger or more well-established company than Ulysses? Perhaps Ulysses decided they couldn't / didn't want to support the game the way GW wanted them to, so let it go.

No, not even close. Ulisses Spiele is one of the largest publishers of RPGs out there. Their NA branch is fairly new though.

Which means they may struggle to produce stuff in the english language at the rate and scope that 40k demands. Cubical 7 is a pretty big company in the english speaking world, they produce in addition to the warhammer properties two seperate editions of a middle earth RPG.

...that isn't actually notable, however. Quite a few companies had Middle Earth RPGs over the years, most of which didn't last very long. And one of those is just a compatibility book for 5e D&D (which... yeah. No need to comment on that)

Looking at the history of the company and the founders, they went a little nuts on licensed products (Dr Who and LotR) and almost plowed themselves under- and had to leash themselves to the computer game company that does the 'Sniper Elite' series. They've apparently bought themselves out of that relationship, but their product list isn't big or inspiring.

I certainly wouldn't call them a big company in the RPG realm. It's just that most of them are tiny (including the Wizards division that does D&D, which is about 10 people tops, these days) and licenses are often traps.

Cubicle 7 is simply taking over where Ulisses left off, so this is s relatively minor disruption from my standpoint.

It sounds as if the AOS RPG uses a similar system, so it makes sense.

BrianDavion wrote:

 DrNo172000 wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Are Cubicle 7 a larger or more well-established company than Ulysses? Perhaps Ulysses decided they couldn't / didn't want to support the game the way GW wanted them to, so let it go.

No, not even close. Ulisses Spiele is one of the largest publishers of RPGs out there. Their NA branch is fairly new though.

Which means they may struggle to produce stuff in the english language at the rate and scope that 40k demands. Cubical 7 is a pretty big company in the english speaking world, they produce in addition to the warhammer properties two seperate editions of a middle earth RPG.

They certainly do not struggle, just look at how much Dark Eye material there is in English. If anything C7 struggles to get stuff done, starter set still not available for WFRP 4th despite the core book being done for sometime. Compare WFRP 4th launch with W&G, W&G released faster and with more stuff.

I think it likely has to do with Ulisses purchasing the Myth IP. Ulisses is primarily a publisher, they own few IPs of their own and I suspect this is intentional. I.E. they don't want to overload themselves.

By contrast C7 seems to never meet their given deadlines, had a One Ring book that was pdf with a supposed physical release to follow that never materialized, etc etc. They also handle a mountain load of IPs.

C7 does tend to miss deadlines. They've gotten a lot better with communication on the WFRPG front for those that have pre-orders but I will say they do put out some very nice quality books. Art is great, layout is good print quality is good. You're not getting something that was rushed out.

 DrNo172000 wrote:


They certainly do not struggle, just look at how much Dark Eye material there is in English.

i would say Ulisses NA are/were struggling to keep up. The Dark Eye got a lot of material on initial release in 2016, but by now, people have been waiting for new product for more than a year. A Kickstarter to release the big magic expansion and several adventures has been pushed back twice already and will hopefully go live soon. Even then, it will still be months before any new TDE supplements are available. W&G was worse off even with a lot of promised content that didn't seem to materialize after the basic book release. They were clearly doing too many things at the same time.

...well, whoever expect a brisker release pace for W&G now that Cubicle 7 has it... is really, really optimist.

Let's just say that they're not the best at honoring release dates, even though they do nice stuff when they do.

 Albertorius wrote:
...well, whoever expect a brisker release pace for W&G now that Cubicle 7 has it... is really, really optimist.

Let's just say that they're not the best at honoring release dates, even though they do nice stuff when they do.

especially since they were just handed it.

It will certainly take time to access what work has been done and finish it.

Did anyone notice this tidbit? Emphasis is mine.

https://www.cubicle7games.com/cubicle-7-entertainment-to-publish-warhammer-40000-roleplaying/

The initial range of products will be a revised reprint of the Wrath & Glory Core Rulebook

Now, they could technically just be referring to the incorporation of errata/faq into the rulebook but in my experience companies don't typically call it revised when they do it but rather just call it a second printing and simply note the inclusion of the errata/faq separately. Calling it "revised" makes me think of something more akin to an edition halfstep ala d&d 3.5 where there are substantial rules changes in some parts that go beyond just clarification. If that is the case, it sucks to be an early adopter for W&G...

 warboss wrote:
Did anyone notice this tidbit? Emphasis is mine.

https://www.cubicle7games.com/cubicle-7-entertainment-to-publish-warhammer-40000-roleplaying/

The initial range of products will be a revised reprint of the Wrath & Glory Core Rulebook

Now, they could technically just be referring to the incorporation of errata/faq into the rulebook but in my experience companies don't typically call it revised when they do it but rather just call it a second printing and simply note the inclusion of the errata/faq separately. Calling it "revised" makes me think of something more akin to an edition halfstep ala d&d 3.5 where there are substantial rules changes in some parts that go beyond just clarification. If that is the case, it sucks to be an early adopter for W&G...

I kinda hope it is. I've only heard of bad reviews from W&G so far, the major critique I heard was that apparently a Guardsman (I can't remember if it needed buffing or not) was the same strength as a Space Marine..

The Guardsman/Space Marine thing is not really true. In many systems you can get odd results when you go all-in on one Stat for a one-hit-wonder.

As for revision, In would expect they're adding minor lessons learned and unifying the system with the upcoming AOS RPG.

 The Warp Forge wrote:

I kinda hope it is. I've only heard of bad reviews from W&G so far, the major critique I heard was that apparently a Guardsman (I can't remember if it needed buffing or not) was the same strength as a Space Marine..

Take what I say with a grain of salt as I'm going from memory while looking through the book months ago. While there is a very powerful homogenization of marines in order to make them fit into the same tier as guardsmen and other humans, it's not necessarily as bad as it sounds from your example. While it is possible if the IG player maxes on strength and the marine uses it as a dump stat for some reason, it's not likely. Marines IIRC get a natural bonus to strength from their Astartes race (normal humans don't) and *might* from what I remember get a situation bonus of some sort from their implants on strength checks as well (GM's discretion). Additionally, Marine power armor IIRC gives a +3 bonus (whether +3 dice or a modifier to a roll I don't recall). Primaris IIRC get even more both to their armor and their race stats. So, yes, if you stat out a catachan IG and the marine player takes the minimum strength necessary for the scout class, the IG might equal or exceed the marine in scout armor.

Did they ever come out with the stretch goal pdfs for playing things like ratlings and ogryn? I was just looking through the drivethrurpg files and didn't see them. I wasn't sure if they were supposed to be released/sold to the general public though.

edit: Fun fact... my kindle auto-"correct" thinks when I type ratlings that I meant to type darlings.

 warboss wrote:
Did they ever come out with the stretch goal pdfs for playing things like darlings and ogryn? I was just looking through the drivethrurpg files and didn't see them. I wasn't sure if they were supposed to be released/sold to the general public though.

Yes they did, and no, I don't believe they were.

I spoke to C7 at UK Games Expo and they did confirm the core book will be revised and not just a reprint. To what extent things would be changed I don't know, but it's not a verbatim reproduction.

Thanks to both for the confirmations. I signed up to their mailing list to see what the news will be since no one else (here.. on youtube... elsewhere) seems to be talking about the game. Does anyone have the rules for the ogryns and ratlings btw? How are they? What tiers are those races meant to start at?

I hope they revise out the card decks, that gak was ridiculous.

 warboss wrote:
Thanks to both for the confirmations. I signed up to their mailing list to see what the news will be since no one else (here.. on youtube... elsewhere) seems to be talking about the game. Does anyone have the rules for the ogryns and ratlings btw? How are they? What tiers are those races meant to start at?

I'll check for you tomorrow.

 LavuranGuard wrote:
I spoke to C7 at UK Games Expo and they did confirm the core book will be revised and not just a reprint. To what extent things would be changed I don't know, but it's not a verbatim reproduction.

From their email:
f you already own a Core Rulebook it will be compatible with the adventures and supplements coming soon. The revised core book will include errata, proofreading edits, a streamlined option for creating characters and a revamped layout.

I appreciate the update but I doubt they'll limit themselves to just that. I suspect that the "errata" will include flat out rules changes and it'll instead be a D&D 3 to 3.5 transition which was also still backward compatible to a degree. That's not necessarily a bad thing overall for the game given the reception that it got initially but it does suck for those who already paid for it. That's just supposition on my part admittedly and I don't have any insider info at all.

I'm glad I didn't go all in back then (dropped around the same time as the Imperial Knight codex last year yeah?), so I'll await reviews of the redone core book instead and see if that's an improvement.

 BrookM wrote:
I'm glad I didn't go all in back then (dropped around the same time as the Imperial Knight codex last year yeah?), so I'll await reviews of the redone core book instead and see if that's an improvement.

Same here!

It's (another?) one of those times when I'm glad I...'waited'?

I talked to some of the C7 designers at Origins last week, though none working on this product directly. What they told me is that they’re mainly looking to put some of the content that was previously only available on cards into the book itself. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some basic errata, but they’re not at all committing to supporting this rule set going forward. They’re not ruling it out, but it hasn’t been all that well received, so I suspect that unless sales tell them otherwise, we could see a completely new system in just a couple years (or whatever their development time is). So, as always, if you like it, buy it. They also look to Facebook, Twitter, and sometimes relevant Discord communities ever since C7 decided to stop hosting their own forums; being active in those communities can also show support for the system.

Seems like the better bet would be to stick with the FFG games for the next couple of years and see what C7 can come up with on their own without the W&G system boat anchoring them.

Ashitaka wrote:

 LavuranGuard wrote:
I spoke to C7 at UK Games Expo and they did confirm the core book will be revised and not just a reprint. To what extent things would be changed I don't know, but it's not a verbatim reproduction.

From their email:
f you already own a Core Rulebook it will be compatible with the adventures and supplements coming soon. The revised core book will include errata, proofreading edits, a streamlined option for creating characters and a revamped layout.

I played in the pre-gen adventure that they put out, and found it reasonably quick and intuitive to play. But then when I bought the rulebook and tried to make a character (an Eldar Warlock, who would have 2 or 3 psychic powers) it was just way too much. I didn't realize just how much I prefer D&D 5e style char gen (decide on class, subclass, race, background, stat method, starting equipment, and then you're done) to point buy until this moment, and this was poorly laid out point buy at that.

In addition, I think that the complaint over layout was a common one. It just isn't an attractive book, nor is it easy to find stuff in; it also had a lot more errors in tables and descriptions than such a complex char gen system could tolerate. By contrast, I've found the Adventures in Middle Earth books to be both attractive and relatively easy to navigate.

So the above prospective changes sound good to me, but it is hard to see how a revised version of the book can overcome the rather muted reception that the game got on release.