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 Grinshanks wrote:
Are dice pool mechanics in an RPG as bad as they seem?

Are we going to end up with tons of dice as we level up, or unclear situations for average people (eg: is a higher TN or less dice harder? Discerning what dice/TN ratio creates what chance of success)

I am a bit entry level when it comes to RPG's, and have only played dice pools in board games, but it doesn't seem to be a good system for balancing something yourself on the fly.

There's a fair few numbers of these sorts of types. It really depends on the system you are playing so it's hard to differentiate. Though one of the main benefits tends to come through specializing much more easily.

I don't know, this rpg isn't appealing to me. Is here someone here going to buy it ?

 godardc wrote:
I don't know, this rpg isn't appealing to me. Is here someone here going to buy it ?

My buddies and I loved the 40k universe, but did not like the rules/mechanics of the Dark Heresy line of games.

So we're looking forward to playing this in the summer. I'm going to pick up a couple of copies of the rulebook at GenCon (a large gaming convention in the States) in August.

I'm definitely going to be buying this - and I am excited by the prospect of having a truly unified ruleset too.

 Paradigm wrote:
How does one go about getting the Free RPG Day stuff? Is it something you can sign up for and get sent, or do you have to acquire it from a store?

And if it's the latter, would someone in the UK be willing to pick up a copy for me, as I don't have any kind of store nearby? I'd of course be willing to cover the cost of postage.

Typically, a store pays for the FRPGD package that includes a set number of copies of intro games from whatever manufacturers signed up. They're then free to do whatever they want with it. It's pretty easy to find copies on ebay the same day as some stores raffle/give away the copies with the games being played either to the GM or a player. If you're lucky, a company will also post the adventure up as a free pdf download same day or soon after as well.

A PDF version of Wrath & Glory's FRPGD stuff will be out a few weeks later.

Hopefully they'll also release a digital version of the Free RPG Day content, would be nice for us less than fortunate scrubs with no participating stores in the vicinity.

But I will be getting this for sure, a lot of the FFG stuff was pretty good and with the talent attached to this project I have high hopes that it will turn out amazing.

They will. See above.

Ah, that's good to know. I'm not sure about the system yet, so having a short adventure to run with my group and see how they get on with it would be a good litmus test before taking the plunge on a full copy.

 schoon wrote:
Teaser looks fun!

...but my real money is on the book in August.

Waiting for that too, but going to preorder in case it's cancelled before it's released.

 Grinshanks wrote:
Are dice pool mechanics in an RPG as bad as they seem?

I am a bit entry level when it comes to RPG's, and have only played dice pools in board games, but it doesn't seem to be a good system for balancing something yourself on the fly.

Let’s see: Ghostbusters, Star Wars d6, Prince Valiant, Shadowrun, Vampire The Masquerade et al, ... Die pool mechanics are well established in RPGs. Long linear randomizers aren’t easy to balance on the fly—no averaging or curves. Tell me how many dice you’re chucking and I’ll tell you how many successes you should get. d20 and d100 games are very swingy and not very predictable.

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Waiting for that too, but going to preorder in case it's cancelled before it's released.

You know that's not going to happen.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Waiting for that too, but going to preorder in case it's cancelled before it's released.

You know that's not going to happen.

I 'knew' that about Dark Heresy too.

You're being daft. Black Industries was shuttered. This isn't Black Industries, it is a completely different situation, you know that, and you're just being overly dramatic.

And what fething difference did the "cancellation" make anyway? The game still came out, and hung around for years after that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You're being daft. Black Industries was shuttered. This isn't Black Industries, it is a completely different situation, you know that, and you're just being overly dramatic.

And what fething difference did the "cancellation" make anyway? The game still came out, and hung around for years after that.

Dude chill out I was just jerking your chain.

Let's not do that and just stay on target okay?

My group is definitely buying it.

Dice pool systems come in two flavors:

Opposed roll dice pools which are good, and simplified dice pools where smaller pools are subtracted from larger pools, which are terrible.

Wrath & Glory is using opposed roll dice pools, so all is good.

Is this going to be watered-down 40k, or are we going to have a more open system where we can do anything from Deathwatch, to Necromunda Gangers, to Heresy-Era blackshields?

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Is this going to be watered-down 40k, or are we going to have a more open system where we can do anything from Deathwatch, to Necromunda Gangers, to Heresy-Era blackshields?

That's the rumor.

 BaronIveagh wrote:
That's the rumor.

I can work with that, I'd have to see what my options are with the game- and I don't mean "Well you could homebrew X, Y,Z"

I'm certainly getting this one (as the Fantasy RPG from cubicle7)

BrookM wrote:Hopefully they'll also release a digital version of the Free RPG Day content, would be nice for us less than fortunate scrubs with no participating stores in the vicinity.

I'd really like that too!

As I said, there will be a digital release a few weeks after the physical one.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As I said, there will be a digital release a few weeks after the physical one.

And the internet pirates will be hard at work: expect to see it on various torrent sites within a week of the digital release (about what Paizo has to deal with on Pathfinder).

Presumably given that it's for Free RPG Day, the PDF release should also be free, so really there's nothing to gain from pirating it. I'm sure the full rules will get the same treatment, but is there really anything that can be done about that at this point?

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As I said, there will be a digital release a few weeks after the physical one.

And the internet pirates will be hard at work: expect to see it on various torrent sites within a week of the digital release (about what Paizo has to deal with on Pathfinder).

It's going to be free, so... who cares?

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Waiting for that too, but going to preorder in case it's cancelled before it's released.

You know that's not going to happen.

I 'knew' that about Dark Heresy too.

Palm, meet face.

Caliginous wrote:

Palm, meet face.

Hey, that actually happened with DH when GW shut down Black Industries after their staggeringly successful release (Nope, too much Success, GW said). FFG swooped in and picked it up, uncancelling it.

Though for me the most facepalm worthy thing out of the whole of the BI/FFG games was still Motorcycle Rough Riders getting retconned by HBMC here because he couldn't find anyone who knew of any canon regiments. Helps to read your own GM's guide, let alone IG canon.

This isn’t going to turn into ANOTHER Baron v. HBMC 40K RPG thread takeover, is it?

Back on topic please, take any further discussion to another thread or PM's please.

 Mysterio wrote:
This isn’t going to turn into ANOTHER Baron v. HBMC 40K RPG thread takeover, is it?

Not on my watch! [/Eastwood-Dredd-Wolverine]