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2017/08/13 01:02:35
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Been Around the Block
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What's a loyalist Space Marine Chapter you like that doesn't really get a lot of attention or are overlooked for the most part? For me, well there's a few, but one Chapter I like is the Mortifactors. The Mortifactors are a pretty unique Successors of the Ultramarines in that they don't really behave like most successors of the Smurfs.....I won't say much about their lore but let's just say it involves a lot of Cannibalism, tribal savagery, and just things that make them one of the most morbid Chapters out there.
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2017/08/13 01:04:20
Subject: Re:Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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The Ultramarines. Truly they are an underappreciated chapter that never gets any love on the tabletop or official art/pictures/novels.
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Thought for the day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
30k Ultramarines: 2000 pts
Bolt Action Germans: ~1200 pts
AOS Stormcast: Just starting.
The Empire : ~60-70 models.
1500 pts
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2017/08/13 01:14:50
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Krazed Killa Kan
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There are a ton of successor chapters out there so good luck giving them all proper time in the spotlight but in terms of 1st founding i think Iron Hands really get the short end of the stick in terms of fluff and product coverage.
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"Hold my shoota, I'm goin in"
Armies (7th edition points)
7000+ Points Death Skullz
4000 Points
+ + 3000 Points "The Fiery Heart of the Emperor"
3500 Points "Void Kraken" Space Marines
3000 Points "Bard's Booze Cruise" |
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2017/08/13 01:16:07
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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RAINBOW WARRIORS~!
They are the best first founding chapter =^)
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/08/13 01:17:03
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2017/08/13 01:28:25
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Been Around the Block
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Vankraken wrote:There are a ton of successor chapters out there so good luck giving them all proper time in the spotlight but in terms of 1st founding i think Iron Hands really get the short end of the stick in terms of fluff and product coverage.
Same here. That's one of the reasons why they're my favorite Chapter.
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2017/08/13 01:56:42
Subject: Re:Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Norn Queen
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The Lamenters. The 1D4Chan article has a good summary. They are the Loyalest of the Loyal and get constantly fethed over because of it.
To summarise: One of the most fethed-over Space Marine Chapters in Warhammer 40K history. Cursed to die horribly, turn to Chaos, or both in every single bit of fluff they appear in. You think the White Scars got fethed by Games Workshop? Nothing compared to the Lamenters. Think the Chaos Pretty Marines got owned hard by Angron? Nothing compared to the Lamenters. Think the Afriel Strain soldiers are cursed? Nothing compared to the Lamenters. Think that the Raven Guard, Salamanders, and Iron Hands got beaten horribly on Isstvan V? Nothing compared to the Lamenters.
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2017/08/13 02:02:53
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Iron Hands. One of the most interesting chapters, and they don't even have a special character outside FW.
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Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
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2017/08/13 03:12:15
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Dakka Veteran
Miles City, MT
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Gotta agree. Iron Hands, hands down.
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Twinkle, Twinkle little star.
I ran over your Wave Serpents with my car. |
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2017/08/13 03:17:28
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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On the Loyalist Side, the Black Dragons. They are basically an entire chapter of super wolverines. They're usually overshadowed by the other Cursed Foundings since they don't have much of a tragic story compared to the rest.
On the Traitor side, the Cleaved. The mysteries behind the black ooze coming from their armor intrigues me. It was also an interesting way to depict nurgle marines (or even plague marines) as it showed that pus and bloat weren't the only ways to honor pappy nurgle.
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Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!
Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.
When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. |
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2017/08/13 04:30:28
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Humorless Arbite
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2017/08/13 05:54:22
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Ragin' Ork Dreadnought
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As far as First Founding, I completely agree on the Iron Hands front. Even our only special character is a Forge World unit, and he isn't even Iron Hands - He's 'Sons of the Gorgon', which is sort of Iron Hands, but not exactly.
Plus, as an aside, our Chapter Tactics this edition feel super flat, and our Warlord Trait and Relic really don't do a darned thing to capture the feel of our army. (Smashfather FNP-stacking wasn't fluffy, either, but at least we actually had a reason to take more vehicles than everyone else in 7th.)
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2017/08/13 06:02:21
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Waaaghpower wrote:As far as First Founding, I completely agree on the Iron Hands front. Even our only special character is a Forge World unit, and he isn't even Iron Hands - He's 'Sons of the Gorgon', which is sort of Iron Hands, but not exactly.
Plus, as an aside, our Chapter Tactics this edition feel super flat, and our Warlord Trait and Relic really don't do a darned thing to capture the feel of our army. (Smashfather FNP-stacking wasn't fluffy, either, but at least we actually had a reason to take more vehicles than everyone else in 7th.)
sadly I'm given the distinct impression from the IH chapter tactics review, that the chapter was designed by FANS of Smashfether.
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2017/08/13 06:09:28
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Ragin' Ork Dreadnought
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BrianDavion wrote:Waaaghpower wrote:As far as First Founding, I completely agree on the Iron Hands front. Even our only special character is a Forge World unit, and he isn't even Iron Hands - He's 'Sons of the Gorgon', which is sort of Iron Hands, but not exactly.
Plus, as an aside, our Chapter Tactics this edition feel super flat, and our Warlord Trait and Relic really don't do a darned thing to capture the feel of our army. (Smashfather FNP-stacking wasn't fluffy, either, but at least we actually had a reason to take more vehicles than everyone else in 7th.)
sadly I'm given the distinct impression from the IH chapter tactics review, that the chapter was designed by FANS of Smashfether.
Out of curiosity, why?
(Also: Smashfather is still an entirely viable build, we're just back to bringing the Shield Eternal, and he needs a good retinue.)
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2017/08/13 06:46:12
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Kabalite Conscript
Boston
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White Scars. They're generally cool dudes who embrace noble pursuits and have a remarkably complex worldview (for Astartes). The Khan himself was very Reasonable Marine and in many cases acts as the voice of the reader as he points out the obvious flaws in the Emperor's plan for humanity.
In both HH and 40k, they're also shown to be less likely to ponder the wonders of their superior transhumanity relative to the 'frail mortals' around them. This means that as a legion, and now a chapter, they usually remember that they exist to fight -for- humanity, and not to demonstrate how super cool and glorious they are. I like that in their HH works, they never really condescend to baseline humans in their midst. They surely won't sugarcoat anything as they don't believe in encouraging people to 'go soft', but they don't assume that baseline humans have nothing of value to offer beyond serfdom.
If I ever get around to a SM army, it'll be Scars.
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2017/08/13 06:49:58
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Three Color Minimum
In the casting shack.
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The Exorcists for sure, their battle cry is half high gothic and half demonic gibberish..
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“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.” ― Robert A. Heinlein
"Yar har fiddle-dee-dee, being a pirate is alright with me!
I'll do what I want 'cause a pirate is free, I am a pirate!" |
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2017/08/13 07:13:48
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Renegade Chapter because I couldn't care less about the Imperium: The Scourged. Former servants of the Inquisition who lost faith that their orders were just, they prayed to the God-Emperor and received an answer from the Changer of Ways. Now they know every lie humanity has ever thought.
That's peak Tzeentch right there.
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2017/08/13 07:35:35
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Waaaghpower wrote:BrianDavion wrote:Waaaghpower wrote:As far as First Founding, I completely agree on the Iron Hands front. Even our only special character is a Forge World unit, and he isn't even Iron Hands - He's 'Sons of the Gorgon', which is sort of Iron Hands, but not exactly.
Plus, as an aside, our Chapter Tactics this edition feel super flat, and our Warlord Trait and Relic really don't do a darned thing to capture the feel of our army. (Smashfather FNP-stacking wasn't fluffy, either, but at least we actually had a reason to take more vehicles than everyone else in 7th.)
sadly I'm given the distinct impression from the IH chapter tactics review, that the chapter was designed by FANS of Smashfether.
Out of curiosity, why?
(Also: Smashfather is still an entirely viable build, we're just back to bringing the Shield Eternal, and he needs a good retinue.)
little things like the relic axe and the way they talked about it etc. the Iron hands always struck me as a more "shooty chapter". it's hard to put into words as it was just more a "feeling"
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2017/08/13 07:42:47
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Ragin' Ork Dreadnought
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BrianDavion wrote:Waaaghpower wrote:
Out of curiosity, why?
(Also: Smashfather is still an entirely viable build, we're just back to bringing the Shield Eternal, and he needs a good retinue.)
little things like the relic axe and the way they talked about it etc. the Iron hands always struck me as a more "shooty chapter". it's hard to put into words as it was just more a "feeling"
I feel like the only reason we got the Axe on our relics (pun intended) is that it's the only relic that they could potentially actually adapt:
The Mindforge Stave is a weapon for Librarians, but doesn't have a regular-weapon equivalent: It's basically a Thunder Hammer. (I suppose it could swap out for a Force Stave, but that's nor really fitting considering its damage output.)
The Betrayer's Bane is just a Combi-Melta that can fire unlimited times, which... Not a big deal anymore. They could have adapted it to do something different, but why bother?
The Ironstone would be a really cool relic, offering regeneration buffs to friendly tanks, but they didn't want to go that route.
The Tempered Helm overlaps with another chapter's unique relic.
The Gorgon's Chain would have to be another Shield Eternal knockoff, doesn't have an item to replace, and there isn't a good swap for a preexisting item. (They could have just made it a 3+ invuln and 5+ FNP to replace the wearer's 6+ FNP, but again - Why bother, when most players that want a tanky Captain will just go for the Shield Eternal? Overlapping relics are generally just a bad idea, since they run the risk of invalidating each other.)
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2017/08/13 09:34:41
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Ultramarines.
Because nearly the entire playerbase doesn't understand why they are actually noteworthy.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2017/08/13 15:41:45
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Waaaghpower wrote:As far as First Founding, I completely agree on the Iron Hands front. Even our only special character is a Forge World unit, and he isn't even Iron Hands - He's 'Sons of the Gorgon', which is sort of Iron Hands, but not exactly.
Plus, as an aside, our Chapter Tactics this edition feel super flat, and our Warlord Trait and Relic really don't do a darned thing to capture the feel of our army. (Smashfather FNP-stacking wasn't fluffy, either, but at least we actually had a reason to take more vehicles than everyone else in 7th.)
Well, at least you didn't have your first founding status revoked like some other unfortunate chapters did long ago.
I'm not entirely sure the rainbow warriors are even a canon chapter at this point.
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2017/08/13 15:52:33
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Brigadier General
The new Sick Man of Europe
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DarknessEternal wrote:Ultramarines.
Because nearly the entire playerbase doesn't understand why they are actually noteworthy.
Because they're supposed to be [according to MW] the model Astartes that every single other chapter [ Except for those borderline renegade Space Wolves] wishes they could be, despite needing another chapter's help to make any meaningful contribution to the Imperium?
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2017/08/13 15:54:59
Subject: Re:Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
[Expunged from Imperial records] =][=
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Doom Eagles?
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"Be like General Tarsus of yore, bulletproof and free of fear!" |
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2017/08/13 16:39:26
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Mentor Legion. Not "The Mentors" in their later iteration, but the original Mentor Legion.
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2017/08/13 18:31:42
Subject: Re:Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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I've always been fond of the Aurora Chapter.
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Aurora_Chapter
Lovely colour scheme, and they have a theme that other "main" Chapters don't seem to really cover at present... they're big on their tanks. Admittedly this does tread on the Imperial Guard's toes a little bit, which might explain why GW don't push any tank-heavy chapters much in the lore overall.
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"Hard pressed on my right. My centre is yielding. Impossible to manoeuvre. Situation excellent. I am attacking." - General Ferdinand Foch |
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2017/08/13 18:34:33
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Slaanesh Havoc with Blastmaster
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2nd Legion!!
(way better back story than those weak ass 11th Legionaries...)
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2017/08/13 19:35:34
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Fixture of Dakka
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sing your life wrote: DarknessEternal wrote:Ultramarines.
Because nearly the entire playerbase doesn't understand why they are actually noteworthy.
Because they're supposed to be [according to MW] the model Astartes that every single other chapter [ Except for those borderline renegade Space Wolves] wishes they could be, despite needing another chapter's help to make any meaningful contribution to the Imperium?
Thank you for proving my point.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2017/08/13 22:02:31
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Brigadier General
The new Sick Man of Europe
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DarknessEternal wrote: sing your life wrote: DarknessEternal wrote:Ultramarines.
Because nearly the entire playerbase doesn't understand why they are actually noteworthy.
Because they're supposed to be [according to MW] the model Astartes that every single other chapter [ Except for those borderline renegade Space Wolves] wishes they could be, despite needing another chapter's help to make any meaningful contribution to the Imperium?
Thank you for proving my point.
Ok, what exactly do you consider to be noteworthy about them?
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2017/08/13 22:08:51
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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They are the "By the note guys". They are a Chapter of state-mans. They are not the good guys but the lawfull guys. In a world of special snowflakes and edgy dark lords that just do what they want (And I say this being a Dark Angel player) they are you standard marine.
They are loyal, they are honorable, but at the same time they are rigid, they are hunger for power, even if they believe that power is for the good of the people and prepotent. They are a Chapter of Julius Caesar's.
But maybe this is because I always play paladins and other other kind of "lawfull" guys both good and bad that I can appreciate what Ultramarines are supposed to represent.
And yeah, I ignore MW fluff just like Blood Angels do.
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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2017/08/13 22:30:49
Subject: Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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That doesn't make them any more interesting though...
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2017/08/13 22:33:44
Subject: Re:Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter?
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Norn Queen
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Anything MW has written is considered non-canon in my eyes, the same way as anything written by C.S. Goto is.
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