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Chairman Aeon wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

I, for one, am OK how 2E "human-sized" minis look with other 2E "human-sized" minis (e.g. Eldar, Guard, Necromunda). I am OK with how they look with the 3E Orks and 3E Space Marines.

It's important to remember 40K has never been naked

I am curious about that.

'Tis a strange day when I agree with DD wholeheartedly.

 Theophony wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:
Noob question: Can I also use a Dark Eldar gang to play?

That would be unlikely.

The original Necromunda included very basic rules for including a small range of aliens for scenarios, but they weren't really set up for use as a normal gang.

I'm sure people will come up with ways to integrate Necromunda and SW:A quickly enough.

I was going to use some of the dark elder to make my own Spryer gang.

Use Hellions then. They'd be great "counts as" Spryers.

I refuse to believe that anyone thought new Necromunda models would be in scale with the old metals.

And you know what? If you make a proper height comparison (starting from the actual feet and not the platform shoes)... they're actually not that much bigger, about half a head, and will look fine together:

 Mymearan wrote:
I refuse to believe that anyone thought new Necromunda models would be in scale with the old metals.

And you know what? If you make a proper height comparison (starting from the actual feet and not the platform shoes)... they're actually not that much bigger, about half a head, and will look fine together:

Even less when you consider that the classic model there is bent at the waistline while the new one is standing as straight as possible given her wide stance.

 Mymearan wrote:
I refuse to believe that anyone thought new Necromunda models would be in scale with the old metals.

And you know what? If you make a proper height comparison (starting from the actual feet and not the platform shoes)... they're actually not that much bigger, about half a head, and will look fine together:

Hey man, people gotta be able to complain about something amirite?

If you account for the fact that the new model has about half a head of platform shoes, those models are basically exactly the same height.

Considering the amount of times I've read the lack of realism arguments on here, or that wouldn't work like that in real life, I find it hard to believe that people are getting bent out of shape about models having different heights, stature, weights and aesthetics.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Considering the amount of times I've read the lack of realism arguments on here, or that wouldn't work like that in real life, I find it hard to believe that people are getting bent out of shape about models having different heights, stature, weights and aesthetics.

I know, right? It's almost like different people have different opinions on things!


The constant stream of 'I don't see the problem, therefore people are just complaining for the sake of complaining' really doesn't help keep the discussion civil.

Really, though, the scale issue isn't going to be conclusively resolved until people have actual models in hand. the one thing that the comparison pics posted in this thread prove is that comparison pics constructed from spliced together photos can return somewhat variable results.

Someone asked about the Goliath with the longarm; it looks to me like some sort of "revolver-shotgun". Utterly impractical, and thus entertainingly cool.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Someone asked about the Goliath with the longarm; it looks to me like some sort of "revolver-shotgun". Utterly impractical, and thus entertainingly cool.

I take it as some kind of tongue-in-cheek reminiscence of the old oversized pistols.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Someone asked about the Goliath with the longarm; it looks to me like some sort of "revolver-shotgun". Utterly impractical, and thus entertainingly cool.

I take it as some kind of tongue-in-cheek reminiscence of the old oversized pistols.

That gun would make Hellboy very happy

It's a stolen prototype for the next-generation Super-Primeris Marines being developed by Professor Cawl and the ghost of the Emperor

(did you really think size increases would stop?)

 insaniak wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Considering the amount of times I've read the lack of realism arguments on here, or that wouldn't work like that in real life, I find it hard to believe that people are getting bent out of shape about models having different heights, stature, weights and aesthetics.

I know, right? It's almost like different people have different opinions on things!


The constant stream of 'I don't see the problem, therefore people are just complaining for the sake of complaining' really doesn't help keep the discussion civil.

Really, though, the scale issue isn't going to be conclusively resolved until people have actual models in hand. the one thing that the comparison pics posted in this thread prove is that comparison pics constructed from spliced together photos can return somewhat variable results.

Why not give them what they want for a day and have the content of every post on Dakka replaced with the shut up and take my money meme. Because that's all they come here to read.

Couple things...

There is no news but Necromunda. Nothing else even counts.

The models are secondary IMO...It's all about the terrain. If GW sells modular pieces like they did with the original game, then i'm all in. If they are selling crap bulk pieces akin to the other squad skirmish game...well, i'll have pirating the game and using my own terrain.

Oh, and if you don't like the models then just use different ones. The GW police aren't going to break in and arrest you.

ender502

 Mymearan wrote:
I refuse to believe that anyone thought new Necromunda models would be in scale with the old metals.

And you know what? If you make a proper height comparison (starting from the actual feet and not the platform shoes)... they're actually not that much bigger, about half a head, and will look fine together:

More importantly look at the difference in quality between the old metal and the new plastic - just the hair alone shows everything! The old model has well detailed hair that seems to be moving with her whilst the new one has that cartoony look that GW have been going for recently.
Actually I have to admit that I prefer the old model here as that pose looks amazing.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
I refuse to believe that anyone thought new Necromunda models would be in scale with the old metals.

And you know what? If you make a proper height comparison (starting from the actual feet and not the platform shoes)... they're actually not that much bigger, about half a head, and will look fine together:

More importantly look at the difference in quality between the old metal and the new plastic - just the hair alone shows everything! The old model has well detailed hair that seems to be moving with her whilst the new one has that cartoony look that GW have been going for recently.
Actually I have to admit that I prefer the old model here as that pose looks amazing.

I think the old Eschers are actually amongst the very few 20 year old GW models which have stood the test of time. They still look good today. The rest of the old Necromunda minis on the other hand. Most of them look awful today. Some of them looked awful 20 years ago.

Some of them - the Delaques, for instance - have grown on me. Couldn't stand 'em when they came out.

 General Kroll wrote:
Imagine a Necromunda style game set in Commoragh...

Malifaux?

 Talizvar wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
Imagine a Necromunda style game set in Commoragh...

Malifaux?

I was thinking Gangs of Commoragh already does a basic job of capturing this.
It has DE riding and fighting on boards and bikes at building top level.
Each player can specialize their gang (boards, bikes or a mix).
Models get skill/equipment advances if you play a campaign.

Back on topic: Like others, I also wonder if this edition will have a separately available (non-e version) rulebook.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
I refuse to believe that anyone thought new Necromunda models would be in scale with the old metals.

And you know what? If you make a proper height comparison (starting from the actual feet and not the platform shoes)... they're actually not that much bigger, about half a head, and will look fine together:

More importantly look at the difference in quality between the old metal and the new plastic - just the hair alone shows everything! The old model has well detailed hair that seems to be moving with her whilst the new one has that cartoony look that GW have been going for recently.
Actually I have to admit that I prefer the old model here as that pose looks amazing.

Well the old Escher are Jes Goodwin sculpts and also some of the best GW models of all time... so yes they hold up very well next to new stuff.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

I think the old Eschers are actually amongst the very few 20 year old GW models which have stood the test of time. They still look good today. The rest of the old Necromunda minis on the other hand. Most of them look awful today. Some of them looked awful 20 years ago.

Sure, if you can get past the fact that most of them have manfaces. (Can you tell Escher and Sisters were done around the same time?) It's the reason my wife ditched her Escher. The hair might be better, but the rest is not. It's also possible the Escher are a bit of a let down after Greyfax and Celestine and her posse?!?

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

I think the old Eschers are actually amongst the very few 20 year old GW models which have stood the test of time. They still look good today. The rest of the old Necromunda minis on the other hand. Most of them look awful today. Some of them looked awful 20 years ago.

Sure, if you can get past the fact that most of them have manfaces. (Can you tell Escher and Sisters were done around the same time?) It's the reason my wife ditched her Escher. The hair might be better, but the rest is not. It's also possible the Escher are a bit of a let down after Greyfax and Celestine and her posse?!?

They really don't :/

Terrain, Terrain, Terrain. Multiple layers of loveliness. Would love to see the close confines of the zone mortalis corridors combined with the 3D depth of the new(ish) mech platforms.

I own 14 or 15 of the old Eschers, including Mad Donna. These look nice, and the scale looks fine.

Some people may feel differently. Others may be predictably pushing an agenda. But it doesn't seem like a particularly interesting conversation to keep having in this thread, especially without the models in our hands.

I'm wondering how fast the other gangs will be released. Hopefully they can quickly put out the missing 4, and the core box will contain the same Goliath/Escher kits they plan on releasing separately. Dragging gang releases out over months would suck.

They'll probably come out as quick as Bloodbowl teams are, which is fairly slowly. Holding everything to release at once is bad business. More options is nice, but it'll be taken as pump and dump by the fanbase. Look how excited everyone was over Shadow War. Without any support from the company no one cares anymore. Releasing a gang every few months will keep up the momentum.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I'm wondering how fast the other gangs will be released. Hopefully they can quickly put out the missing 4, and the core box will contain the same Goliath/Escher kits they plan on releasing separately. Dragging gang releases out over months would suck.

I highly doubt theyll put all 6 gangs out in a month, it will take a few months at least, even if they released two a month, which I doubt. Is expect to see more of a Blood Bowl like release pattern.

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I'm wondering how fast the other gangs will be released. Hopefully they can quickly put out the missing 4, and the core box will contain the same Goliath/Escher kits they plan on releasing separately. Dragging gang releases out over months would suck.

I highly doubt theyll put all 6 gangs out in a month, it will take a few months at least, even if they released two a month, which I doubt. Is expect to see more of a Blood Bowl like release pattern.

The info from the event was that they intend to have all the original gangs out in plastic within 12 months of launch. Whether that means just the core House gangs or all the gangs they released last time around we don't know, but the former seems more plausible.

Blood bowl teams are going to be one per quarter, so maybe the box and then one gang a quarter ( to have them all out within a year of release)