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2017/12/25 01:47:03
Subject: Re:The Last Jedi - Movie Discussion - WARNING - Guaranteed Spoilers Within
The scale of the catastrophe that is Star Wars: The Last Jedi is difficult to comprehend without comparing it to major, historic natural disasters. Because no other movie has come anywhere close to the picture’s $151.5 million 2nd weekend box office razing, there’s no movie comparison that gives its record-obliterating failure proper context.
To begin to appreciate the epic nature of the Last Jedi catastrophe, consider the 9.2 magnitude megathrust 1964 Good Friday earthquake near Anchorage, Alaska. That was such a massive catastrophe that it killed Oregonians and Californians more than 1,000 miles away.
Or contemplate the current natural disaster in Southern California, the Thomas Fire, which has burned 281,000 acres and destroyed 1,063 structures at a cost of billions of dollars to the state. The $171 million expense of fighting the fire is fairly close to the amount it cost Disney/Lucasfilm (NYSEIS) to produce The Last Jedi.
It may seem odd to compare a movie that has earned nearly $400 million in domestic box office receipts to such giant calamities, but that total represents a tremendous shortfall relative to expectations. The important numbers to look at are the measures of the movie’s collapse. That $400 million looks good only if we ignore the results of every previous Star Wars movie. But a closer look at the numbers reveals what a debacle The Last Jedi truly is.
It’s not just the movie’s 69 percent 2nd weekend plunge that underscores its troubles. True, it’s an enormous decline, but a dozen other big-budgeted, heavily marketed studio tent-pole movies (out of the thousands Hollywood has produced) have seen similarly sized percentage declines. They include Fifty Shades of Grey, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and three of the Twilight Movies.
It’s more the absolute number, the $151.5 million plunge from its $220 million debut to its $68.5 million second weekend, that staggers the imagination. Only three movies—The Last Jedi, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2, and Batman v Superman have ever shed $100 million or more in box office totals from one weekend to the next.
But even the 2nd biggest collapse, that of the Harry Potter film, was more than 20 percent smaller than The Last Jedi’s fiasco.
Turning back to natural and man-made disasters, the 1940 collapse of the Tacoma Narrows bridge offers a useful visual metaphor. The expensive and badly engineered bridge completely failed to take into account the forces in its environment, and not long after it opened to the public it was literally gone with the wind. Its collapse was so unprecedented, so unimaginable, that it had a lasting effect on science and engineering.
Just as bridge designers have long studied the Tacoma Narrows bridge, so movie industry executives will analyze The Last Jedi for insights into the ways a movie can go so tragically, historically wrong.
Early in Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back, Darth Vader says his underling Admiral Ozzel is “as clumsy as he is stupid,” and then proceeds to use the force to choke him, crushing his windpipe as he utters the immortal line, “You have failed me for the last time.”
That’s a pretty apt analogy for what Lucasfilm and writer-director Rian Johnson have done to the Star Wars franchise. They’ve force-choked it into irrelevance.
Countless former die-hard fans have publicly sworn off seeing any future Star Wars installments. And as the 52 percent (and still declining) Rotten Tomatoes audience rating has indicated, the general audience has responded by telling Disney and the filmmakers, “You have failed me for the last time.”
A Town Called Malus wrote: How many of those fans said the same thing about the series after each of the prequel films?
Yo.
Or rather, I stopped taking Star Wars seriously and reduced my spending accordingly. I'll likely see most future Star Wars films at least once to see if I can enjoy them as spectacle or even for the analysis, but I've definitely cooled on the series and started steering my son's interest elsewhere. If a significant fraction of the fandom moves the same way, it could be a long term disaster for Disney.
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Compel wrote: I didn't like it and I have very strong feelings about why I didn't like it.
But even so... Thats kinda egging it on more than a tad. A perfect example of clickbait "journalism."
Well, someone's got to make money off of what Disney did to the franchise.
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The following is my first impression of the film, taken from a PM...
I can appreciate it for it's sheer spectacle and dum entertainment value, but it's a really shallow, superficial and unoriginal movie. It's little more than a loose remake and mashup of ESB and ROTJ.
I thought TFA was shallow and unoriginal, but at least it raised interesting questions.
Who is Snoke? Is he an Ancient Sith? Darth Plagius? A resurrected Anakin Skywalker? An ancient Jedi, or one of the Guardians of the Whills from the temple on Jedha in Rogue One?
What are Snoke and Kylo Ren planning? Why does Snoke want an apprentice with the right balance of Light and Dark?
Who are the Knights of Ren? Are they former students of Luke Skywalker who fell to the Dark Side with Kylo Ren?
What was Luke doing on Achto? Why is it time for the Jedi to end? Is he trying to abolish the Jedi Order, and replace it with a less dogmatic and more open minded Grey Jedi Order with more enlightened teachings akin to the Ancient Jee'dai? (the earliest precursors of the Jedi Order, before the Jedi Order split into the Jedi and the Sith).
Who is Rey? Is she a new reincarnation of.the Chosen One, destined to bring balance.to.the force? (again). Who were her parents? Han and Leia? Luke? Was she a Youngling student of Luke Skywalker whose memories were repressed to protect her?
Will Rey and Kylo Ren join forces and abolish both the Jedi and the Sith?
...
But TLJ just brushed all those questions aside. None of.that matters. We get no answers. It's a symptom of having a different Director for.both films. The new dorector Rian Johnson didn't respect the groundwork of the previous director JJ Abrams, and wanted to make his own mark and do his own film.
The result is a shallow and disconnected trilog (2 out of 3 anyway) that has no coherency or consistent theme and direction. It's like two unconnected films.
But hey, Rey and Kylo teaming up to fight the Praetorian guards was fething.awesome. So its not all bad.
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2017/12/25 19:58:47
Subject: The Last Jedi - Movie Discussion - WARNING - Guaranteed Spoilers Within
Got to see Last Jedi a second time - if you were unsure about it at first, do yourself a favor and see it again! There are so many subtle hints and things in the movie, that you just can't pick up on the first time. One example (spoiler!) below:
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Spoiler!
When Luke and Kylo Ren are fighting, Luke looks down and sees how his feet aren't marking the sand, and tries to hide it.
Also just love the growth of Po and the theme of saving the rebellion leaders rather than sacrificing themselves that progressed throughout the movie, you can really appreciate this better the second time.
This is by far my favorite of the new movies now = )
2017/12/25 22:52:01
Subject: Re:The Last Jedi - Movie Discussion - WARNING - Guaranteed Spoilers Within
Now, I had spoiled it for myself a few days prior to WW opening night so I was prepared for the major plot points. I liked it the first time around. I LOVED it the second time around. The bit on the casino world is the worst part of the film by far and I truly dislike those scenes. They're just so weak visually and conceptually compared to the rest of the film. The rest of the moving is bloody amazing. I walked out honestly considering for my favorite Star Wars film, but then I remembered TESB exists.
Also, this scene may be the best Star Wars scene yet.
The scale of the catastrophe that is Star Wars: The Last Jedi is difficult to comprehend without comparing it to major, historic natural disasters. Because no other movie has come anywhere close to the picture’s $151.5 million 2nd weekend box office razing, there’s no movie comparison that gives its record-obliterating failure proper context.
To begin to appreciate the epic nature of the Last Jedi catastrophe, consider the 9.2 magnitude megathrust 1964 Good Friday earthquake near Anchorage, Alaska. That was such a massive catastrophe that it killed Oregonians and Californians more than 1,000 miles away.
Or contemplate the current natural disaster in Southern California, the Thomas Fire, which has burned 281,000 acres and destroyed 1,063 structures at a cost of billions of dollars to the state. The $171 million expense of fighting the fire is fairly close to the amount it cost Disney/Lucasfilm (NYSEIS) to produce The Last Jedi.
It may seem odd to compare a movie that has earned nearly $400 million in domestic box office receipts to such giant calamities, but that total represents a tremendous shortfall relative to expectations. The important numbers to look at are the measures of the movie’s collapse. That $400 million looks good only if we ignore the results of every previous Star Wars movie. But a closer look at the numbers reveals what a debacle The Last Jedi truly is.
It’s not just the movie’s 69 percent 2nd weekend plunge that underscores its troubles. True, it’s an enormous decline, but a dozen other big-budgeted, heavily marketed studio tent-pole movies (out of the thousands Hollywood has produced) have seen similarly sized percentage declines. They include Fifty Shades of Grey, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and three of the Twilight Movies.
It’s more the absolute number, the $151.5 million plunge from its $220 million debut to its $68.5 million second weekend, that staggers the imagination. Only three movies—The Last Jedi, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2, and Batman v Superman have ever shed $100 million or more in box office totals from one weekend to the next.
But even the 2nd biggest collapse, that of the Harry Potter film, was more than 20 percent smaller than The Last Jedi’s fiasco.
Turning back to natural and man-made disasters, the 1940 collapse of the Tacoma Narrows bridge offers a useful visual metaphor. The expensive and badly engineered bridge completely failed to take into account the forces in its environment, and not long after it opened to the public it was literally gone with the wind. Its collapse was so unprecedented, so unimaginable, that it had a lasting effect on science and engineering.
Just as bridge designers have long studied the Tacoma Narrows bridge, so movie industry executives will analyze The Last Jedi for insights into the ways a movie can go so tragically, historically wrong.
Early in Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back, Darth Vader says his underling Admiral Ozzel is “as clumsy as he is stupid,” and then proceeds to use the force to choke him, crushing his windpipe as he utters the immortal line, “You have failed me for the last time.”
That’s a pretty apt analogy for what Lucasfilm and writer-director Rian Johnson have done to the Star Wars franchise. They’ve force-choked it into irrelevance.
Countless former die-hard fans have publicly sworn off seeing any future Star Wars installments. And as the 52 percent (and still declining) Rotten Tomatoes audience rating has indicated, the general audience has responded by telling Disney and the filmmakers, “You have failed me for the last time.”
I can appreciate it for it's sheer spectacle and dum entertainment value, but it's a really shallow, superficial and unoriginal movie. It's little more than a loose remake and mashup of ESB and ROTJ.
I thought TFA was shallow and unoriginal, but at least it raised interesting questions.
Who is Snoke? Is he an Ancient Sith? Darth Plagius? A resurrected Anakin Skywalker? An ancient Jedi, or one of the Guardians of the Whills from the temple on Jedha in Rogue One?
What are Snoke and Kylo Ren planning? Why does Snoke want an apprentice with the right balance of Light and Dark?
Who are the Knights of Ren? Are they former students of Luke Skywalker who fell to the Dark Side with Kylo Ren?
What was Luke doing on Achto? Why is it time for the Jedi to end? Is he trying to abolish the Jedi Order, and replace it with a less dogmatic and more open minded Grey Jedi Order with more enlightened teachings akin to the Ancient Jee'dai? (the earliest precursors of the Jedi Order, before the Jedi Order split into the Jedi and the Sith).
Who is Rey? Is she a new reincarnation of.the Chosen One, destined to bring balance.to.the force? (again). Who were her parents? Han and Leia? Luke? Was she a Youngling student of Luke Skywalker whose memories were repressed to protect her?
Will Rey and Kylo Ren join forces and abolish both the Jedi and the Sith?
...
But TLJ just brushed all those questions aside. None of.that matters. We get no answers. It's a symptom of having a different Director for.both films. The new dorector Rian Johnson didn't respect the groundwork of the previous director JJ Abrams, and wanted to make his own mark and do his own film.
The result is a shallow and disconnected trilog (2 out of 3 anyway) that has no coherency or consistent theme and direction. It's like two unconnected films.
But hey, Rey and Kylo teaming up to fight the Praetorian guards was fething.awesome. So its not all bad.
The thing is, Star Wars has always included references and ideas that may get taken for granted, or go unexplained. A New Hope introduced Darth Vader as 'the Dark Lord of the Sith'... But we never got a movie explanation of what 'Sith' were until the Phantom Menace.
I can't help but think that people would be more content with this movie if they stop expecting every question to be answered instantly. Some of those questions listed above are answered in TLJ. Some will no doubt be answered in later movies, some in books or TV shows. Disney are building a universe, not just a bunch of movies.
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2017/12/25 23:52:24
Subject: The Last Jedi - Movie Discussion - WARNING - Guaranteed Spoilers Within
"Dark Lord of the Sith" did not need to be explained because nothing hinged on explaining it. A close comparison from TFA would be "the Knights of Ren." In TFA, Rey touches Anakin's lightsaber and has a vision where she, as a small child, is being menaced by a Knight of Ren before said knight is himself killed by Kylo Ren. This is as close to an explanation we get of who Rey is in TFA, a major cliffhanger for TFA. Yet the Knights of Ren are not mentioned at all in TLJ.
As for "pretensious nonsense," I didn't post it because I admire the writing style - fact remains TLJ has been spectacularly underperforming. That doesn't mean it's a bad movie. But it does contextualize the low audience scores, without resorting to a studio-spun conspiracy story.
TFA had a lot of repeat visits. TLJ will probably have half that number. Many were unimpressed with TFA and won't go see TLJ. Many only went to see TFA because it was the first SW movie in years. Many won't go see TLJ because people are telling their friends that it sucks.
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2018/01/14 20:58:24
Subject: The Last Jedi - Movie Discussion - WARNING - Guaranteed Spoilers Within
I'm 99% sure the figure Kylo kills in the vision is not a Knight of Ren, they are the guys in similar armour standing behind him in the scene after that.
And as for under-performing, I really don't think that's true (or at least, can be said at this point. As mentioned by one of the articles, Christmas Eve and Day falling across a Monday/Sunday basically represents two days of not making much at all)). It's still going to make a stupid amount of money when all's said and done, and it was never going to be as big as TFA simply as it didn't represent the first good SW movie in two decades. The article compares its takings with Deathly Hallows part 2, which isn't exactly remembered as a flop!
2017/12/26 00:10:29
Subject: The Last Jedi - Movie Discussion - WARNING - Guaranteed Spoilers Within
It's supposedly at 32mil for Christmas day which is higher than any of the three previous days and the 4th highest overall.
Edit: I'm convinced Solo will bomb (who the hell wants that film...or Obi-Wan for that matter...) and that will lead to a delay and rewrites for IX. Especially since TLJ will be lucky to match R1 at this point...unless it gets 200 mil in China.
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2017/12/26 00:30:38
Subject: The Last Jedi - Movie Discussion - WARNING - Guaranteed Spoilers Within
Manchu wrote: Greatest second weekend drop off in history is definitely underperforming. Maybe it will claw back some audience tomorrow.
I suppose, from one point of view. From another point of view to have the greatest second weekend drop in history you have to have a pretty damn impressive opening weekend, which TLJ did. And, again, I think it says a lot that the supposed financial proof of failure consists of "it was only a massive profit, not an obscene record-breaking profit".
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2017/12/26 00:46:58
Subject: Re:The Last Jedi - Movie Discussion - WARNING - Guaranteed Spoilers Within
trexmeyer wrote: It's supposedly at 32mil for Christmas day which is higher than any of the three previous days and the 4th highest overall.
Edit: I'm convinced Solo will bomb (who the hell wants that film...or Obi-Wan for that matter...) and that will lead to a delay and rewrites for IX. Especially since TLJ will be lucky to match R1 at this point...unless it gets 200 mil in China.
I want Obi Wan...He's my favourite Jedi,
2017/12/26 00:51:40
Subject: Re:The Last Jedi - Movie Discussion - WARNING - Guaranteed Spoilers Within
The success of these mega budget movies is not measured intuitively. TLJ was never not going to make a huge amount of money. The question is, will it just be a huge amount of money or a gargantuan pile of money. So far, it looks like it's just huge - which is not enough, from the studio's perspective. The larger problem is, the movie has set a record ... it's just a negatuve one.
Peregrine wrote: What a world we live in, where "only" making hundreds of millions of dollars in profit is considered a disappointment that needs to be analyzed and justified.
First weekend box office is about expectations, everything after that is mostly about whether the movie lives up to those expectations. The marketing and the previous movies succeeded at the first part, but The Last Jedi fails to deliver.
The Force Awakens shares some of the blame with Abrams' mystery box bs (If your movie asks a question, you should already know that you have a satisfying answer.) but The Last Jedi didn't even try to honour the implicit promise that these hooks would have a satisfying resolution.
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2017/12/26 00:59:50
Subject: The Last Jedi - Movie Discussion - WARNING - Guaranteed Spoilers Within
Manchu - I think you're both judging it too soon, and ignoring other factors. I honestly don't care what its second weekend rating is. Some movies do terribly their whole runs, but are actually really good. You and I both loved Blade Runner, and I think it might be one of the best movies ever made, but it didn't perform well at the box office compared to expectations. Picking stats when a movie has only been out a week to judge it is extremely premature, imo. I'm guessing its third weekend will be better than expected, as all the factors that kept people out this weekend let them catch it next weekend. Let's wait and see before comparing a movie that has made hundreds of millions to freaking natural catastrophes, alright?
(I mean this in a rather light fashion, in case it's not obvious in text)
Also worth noting there are two dueling writers at Forbes who have opposite takes, again just showing that different people are viewing it differently - but the hyperbole about a movie that almost 90% of actual audiences say they "liked" is getting a little out of hand! I respect your view, but like trexmeyer, this movie is near the top of my list for best Star Wars movie ever. That's why I keep advocating a second viewing, because while I can respect the criticism, I think part of it is just a snowball / piling on effect, and people aren't giving the movie its due. Imho, of course!
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2017/12/26 01:24:21
Subject: The Last Jedi - Movie Discussion - WARNING - Guaranteed Spoilers Within
I understand that people will have differing opinions about TLJ being a good movie or being a disaster. But when a movie needs a second viewing or reading a tie in book, comic, whatever... I think that said movie is a failure at storytelling.
M.
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2017/12/26 01:25:25
Subject: The Last Jedi - Movie Discussion - WARNING - Guaranteed Spoilers Within
RiTides wrote: Got to see Last Jedi a second time - if you were unsure about it at first, do yourself a favor and see it again! There are so many subtle hints and things in the movie, that you just can't pick up on the first time. One example (spoiler!) below: . . . . . . . . Spoiler! When Luke and Kylo Ren are fighting, Luke looks down and sees how his feet aren't marking the sand, and tries to hide it. Also just love the growth of Po and the theme of saving the rebellion leaders rather than sacrificing themselves that progressed throughout the movie, you can really appreciate this better the second time. This is by far my favorite of the new movies now = )
A second viewing didn't really do anything for me, I still hated the parts I hated and liked the parts I liked. Only this time there weren't rabid cheering fans making me question if we were watching the same movie.
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2017/12/26 01:31:17
Subject: The Last Jedi - Movie Discussion - WARNING - Guaranteed Spoilers Within
RiTides wrote: You and I both loved Blade Runner, and I think it might be one of the best movies ever made, but it didn't perform well at the box office compared to expectations.
But is the theatrical release of Blade Runner one of the best movies ever made, voiceover and all?
Also worth noting there are two dueling writers at Forbes who have opposite takes, again just showing that different people are viewing it differently - but the hyperbole about a movie that almost 90% of actual audiences say they "liked" is getting a little out of hand! I respect your view, but like trexmeyer, this movie is near the top of my list for best Star Wars movie ever.
trexmeyer wrote: I don't see an interesting story for him. Whatsoever.
He chilled in a desert from III to IV (we see him in Rebels) and we saw him all throughout I-III and the Clone Wars. What's left?
I'll take a Fett, Vader, or even a Sidious origins over Obi-Wan.
Story-wise, I kinda agree with you. However, what people are really wanting from an Obi-wan movie is more Ewan McGregor, arguably the best part of the prequels. You can easily make an Obi-wan anthology film set between III & IV and have it be Obi-wan watching over a young Luke from a distance. Maybe some stuff happens behind the scenes that Obi-wan has to intervene on that Luke never knew about. You could also expand on the thread mentioned in Rebels in which Obi-wan now believes Luke is the Chosen One, not Anakin
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Yes, very important to emphasize that audience reaction is certainly NOT 90% positive.
As I already posted, underperformance at the box office doesn't mean a movie isn't good. The reason these numbers are relevant to this conversation is, some people keep assuming audience reaction can only be explained by conspiracy theories.
Miguelsan wrote: I understand that people will have differing opinions about TLJ being a good movie or being a disaster. But when a movie needs a second viewing or reading a tie in book, comic, whatever... I think that said movie is a failure at storytelling.
M.
Not only do I disagree, but I think that statement is poor in general. Many films and books benefit from a second viewing/reading (even if you think they are good in the first place) simply because there are subtleties (especially in film) that we simply don't process completely the first time around.
That's part of the reason I intentionally spoil every movie for myself before going to see it. I appreciate the movie more when I am watching the journey unfold than when I am trying to figure out where it goes.
RiTides wrote: You and I both loved Blade Runner, and I think it might be one of the best movies ever made, but it didn't perform well at the box office compared to expectations.
But is the theatrical release of Blade Runner one of the best movies ever made, voiceover and all?
Also worth noting there are two dueling writers at Forbes who have opposite takes, again just showing that different people are viewing it differently - but the hyperbole about a movie that almost 90% of actual audiences say they "liked" is getting a little out of hand! I respect your view, but like trexmeyer, this movie is near the top of my list for best Star Wars movie ever.
Pretty sure he is referring to 2049. Also the RT audience score is flawed. People have intentionally tanked that score. It's a 4.7/10 on Metacritic with under 5k votes. RT is 3.1/5 with gems like these:
1/2 star "Feminist propaganda. Rian Johnson is a troll. Great way to lose a fan base. Thanks Disney for ruining an epic franchise."
1/2 star "This film was terrible. Even if we ignore the SJW propaganda that infests every minute of the film, the characters were awful and the plot was filled with holes. Nothing about this film even felt like Star Wars (aliens in tuxedos gambling at a galactic Foxwood's??)
Even Jar Jar would be ashamed to associate with such a hot piece of trash that is The Last Jedi."
It's a 7.6 on IMDB with 200k+ votes. 73% of the votes are over 7/10. 82% are over 6/10. 6% of the votes are 1/10 which is clearly trolling. Eliminate the 1/10 and all of a sudden it's 8/10...
And honestly, you can hate the plot all you want. As soon as people start saying the acting of Hamill, Ridley, and Driver is unequivocally bad I dismiss the review completely. At that point it's blind hate.
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2017/12/26 02:24:06
Subject: The Last Jedi - Movie Discussion - WARNING - Guaranteed Spoilers Within
trexmeyer wrote: It's a 7.6 on IMDB with 200k+ votes. 73% of the votes are over 7/10. 82% are over 6/10. 6% of the votes are 1/10 which is clearly trolling. Eliminate the 1/10 and all of a sudden it's 8/10...
Exactly! Rotten Tomatoes defending their rating is pretty laughable, imo, because obviously either they or IMDB are getting an extremely skewed result, and IMDB's matches actual audience poll results much closer And has more safeguards to avoid review bombing. Even the poster above commenting about his theater cheering while he didn't like it supports this
I'm not saying everyone will enjoy it, but a large majority of the viewing audience obviously do! And I did, for whatever that's worth (I know, not all that much ). I respect those who didn't, though, of course
2017/12/26 03:29:43
Subject: The Last Jedi - Movie Discussion - WARNING - Guaranteed Spoilers Within
I agree that none of the acting was terrible. I'm fairly sure RJ is a talented enough director to work with an actor's strengths (perhaps why we don't see a Luke reaction shot to news of Han's death is because RJ wasn't sold on it). However, the real crime against acting in the film was cutting out the one character with the liveliest performance, the most flair, so early.
Have you heard the tragedy of Snoke the Underused?
Automatically Appended Next Post: I could watch an entire film of that time someone served Snoke an undercooked steak at the Applebee's.
Yes, his ship has an Applebee's. It's 60km wide! There's still a boarded up Radio Shack.
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IS) to produce The Last Jedi.
). I respect those who didn't, though, of course 