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2017/10/26 06:21:41
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Mark Halperin of ABC News has had five women come out and accuse him of sexual harrassment. He's admitted to hitting on the women, some of whom were in more junior positions at ABC, but denies the claims made by three of the women that he molested them.
Thing is, it seems no-one gives a gak. This is getting almost zero traction anywhere. Sure there's bigger and worse accusations against more famous people, but a lot of it probably comes down to Halperin being part of an old guard of media figures, with centre left sensibilities but a commitment to treating political coverage from a both sides POV, and reducing everything down to a horse race. In this age, in the wake of Clinton's defeat, the power on the right and left rests with strongly ideological figures that treat people like Halperin with near complete contempt. Guys like Halperin can't even get arrested in this town anymore.
Easy E wrote: I am guessing they do not (Also not a lawyer) but most people don;t have the time, resources, or legal expertise to even want to get involved with an NDA dispute. That would be a very difficult path to proceed down, with very little pay off for the person under the NDA.
It really isn;t about enforcability, but another way the powerful can frighten and intimidate the less powerful with a paperwork storm that the less powerful do not hav ethe time, money, or connections to fight.
Yes. And this is particularly true as it applies to NDA's that are tacked on to wrongful termination suits. Often to just get the money someone is entitled to for wrongful termination or the cancellation of their contracts, they agree to an NDA because the alternative is to fight a major corporation for years, during which time they will find it near impossible to get a new job.
As you say, NDAs are all about the economic power that moneyed interests can exert to make sure secrets are kept.
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Frazzled wrote: Because its BS if you really read it. The claim was touched her FROM behind not touched her behind, and has since been retracted by the accuser.
I'm not gonna talk about this particular accusation against Bush, because I don't know any of the details, but the thing about discounting it because it was retracted is one of the issues that needs to be addressed if we are are going to make some real change to the culture that allows this stuff to continue.
'Retract' is too often taken to assume that a complaint was made up. But that's not what happens a lot of the time. What happens a lot of the time is a woman makes a complaint having no idea how ugly things are likely to get. Then they realise really fast, when they get the first hints of people digging around in their past, when they get called up journalists sympathetic to the accused, when they get the first treatment of being treated as a 'contraversial accuser' rather than as a victim, then they drop their claim because they don't want to face years of this stuff.
Then its claimed the accusation was 'retracted'.
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Two minutes of hate for Emmanuel Goldstein?
Much worse for trump! All hate all the time!
Okay, first of all you've got your 1984 painfully wrong. The two minutes of hate was about people in power directing hatred against defeated opponents to distract from the failings of those in power. It was a direct reference to how Stalin maintained the specter of Trotsky long after he fled in to exile. Using that reference to criticise someone hating on a sitting president misses the point horribly. The two minutes hate wasn't just about hating someone, it was all about the way hatred is used by the powerful. Hating on a president is as far from Orwell's point as you can get.
Second of all, holy crap man we've in a thread about accusations of sexual abuse and how power has protected serial abusers, and Trump has around 20 accusations against him and has been recorded bragging about doing the exact things he's been accused of. But despite being the absolute poster boy for this thread's subject matter he has only minimally been mentioned, and those mentions have been carefully worded because he is the US president and so speaking plainly about those accusations and how truthful they probably are will drag in some of his defenders, force a closure of the thread and get people in trouble for debating US politics. Trump's position of power has in effect protected him from people talking about the accusations against him, even in a thread that is all about how power is used by sexual predators.
So if you want to complain about a minor dig against Trump's mental ability... then holy gak you do not get the problem we have with power and how it protects some really horrible people.
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2017/10/26 07:53:46
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Easy E wrote: I am guessing they do not (Also not a lawyer) but most people don;t have the time, resources, or legal expertise to even want to get involved with an NDA dispute. It really isn;t about enforcability, but another way the powerful can frighten and intimidate the less powerful with a paperwork storm that the less powerful do not hav ethe time, money, or connections to fight.
Yes. And this is particularly true as it applies to NDA's that are tacked on to wrongful termination suits. Often to just get the money someone is entitled to for wrongful termination or the cancellation of their contracts, they agree to an NDA because the alternative is to fight a major corporation for years, during which time they will find it near impossible to get a new job.
A bit off the topic but this is the case with a lot of legalese stuff, like for instance the Terms of Service documents for video games and other programs. Companies will often claim blatantly illegal powers, then include a little blurb in the small print stating that any condition against the law in the customer's jurisdiction is void. EU customer protection, for example, is often a lot better than in the US and can't normally be given away even if many American corporations like to make you click a box under such a demand. Ofc the poor customer will still have to find out for himself which conditions he could challenge...
As for the topic it does seem a lot of people shut up because they were afraid of repercussions (losing jobs, contacts etc) or afraid of getting hit with a lawsuit for slander. Fear of losing your job is a pretty basic thing, and while we would like to think we have the moral fiber to risk it very few actually will unless they witness the crime itself instead of "understanding something's happened". And slander, well, if you're a hopeful new actress (or a lowly assistant working for a big shot movie mogul) you can't afford anything close to the same sort of legal counsel he can buy and probably has on retainer. You'll be the boy who cried wolf before the paperwork has even been filed.
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2017/10/26 14:29:14
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Frazzled wrote: Because its BS if you really read it. The claim was touched her FROM behind not touched her behind, and has since been retracted by the accuser.
A second woman has come forward with allegations that she was groped by George H.W. Bush, after actress Heather Lind said this week that the former president touched her from behind while telling her a dirty joke in 2014.
New York actress Jordana Grolnick has also now accused Bush of a similar incident in 2016, in which he allegedly fondled her during a photo op.
Grolnick said: “He reached his right hand around to my behind, and as we smiled for the photo he asked the group, ‘Do you want to know who my favorite magician is?’ As I felt his hand dig into my flesh, he said, ‘David Cop-a-Feel!’”
Bush spokesperson Jim McGrath said in a statement that, because President Bush has been in a wheelchair for five years, his arm falls on the “lower waist.” He continued, “To try to put people at ease, the president routinely tells the same joke—and on occasion, he has patted women’s rears in what he intended to be a good-natured manner.
Some have seen it as innocent; others clearly view it as inappropriate. To anyone he has offended, President Bush apologizes most sincerely.”
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2017/10/26 16:24:05
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
and on occasion, he has patted women’s rears in what he intended to be a good-natured manner.
How the feth is that part of the defense?
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2017/10/26 20:36:15
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
I am conflicted. I am glad that he admitted to his malarkey with little fuss. Because of that, I think it will blow over. But I am disappointed that his employees didn't tell him that he should not do a dirty old man comedy act. The Dad jokes makes me believe that he meant to be innocent. But, Dude, that is not OK.
2017/10/26 20:42:24
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
I am completely honest when I say that I wouldn’t have considered that sexual assault, and just accepted it as a “dirty old man” kind of thing. I’m not going to pretend that I have screamed “sexual predator” every time I saw an old grandpa get handsy.
But then, maybe my kind of thinking is exactly the problem here and part of the reason we all need to look inward to see what kind of things we have accepted as normal.
2017/10/26 20:43:44
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
sebster wrote: Mark Halperin of ABC News has had five women come out and accuse him of sexual harrassment. He's admitted to hitting on the women, some of whom were in more junior positions at ABC, but denies the claims made by three of the women that he molested them.
Thing is, it seems no-one gives a gak. This is getting almost zero traction anywhere. Sure there's bigger and worse accusations against more famous people, but a lot of it probably comes down to Halperin being part of an old guard of media figures, with centre left sensibilities but a commitment to treating political coverage from a both sides POV, and reducing everything down to a horse race. In this age, in the wake of Clinton's defeat, the power on the right and left rests with strongly ideological figures that treat people like Halperin with near complete contempt. Guys like Halperin can't even get arrested in this town anymore.
It sounds like Mr. Halperin was at least suspended from MSNBC/NBC over the allegations.
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2017/10/26 20:48:48
Subject: Re:Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
d-usa wrote: I am completely honest when I say that I wouldn’t have considered that sexual assault, and just accepted it as a “dirty old man” kind of thing. I’m not going to pretend that I have screamed “sexual predator” every time I saw an old grandpa get handsy.
Flip places with the actress. Imagine an old, crusty woman squeezed your behind and made a really dumb joke. You might feel a bit gross after.
Not nearly the same situation, but a much older female co-worker of mine made an innocent but sorta-inappropriate-for-the-workplace joke about wanting to see me dress up as a UPS driver for Halloween because she thought I'd look good in the brown shorts. I laughed at the time, and later told my wife about it and she laughed too. But we also agreed it was a inappropriate, and kinda icky because now I'd be imagining her checking out my sweet, sweet legs ( ) all day at work.
It just goes to show that one person's joke is another persons ick moment.
And probably as a general rule if you are 3x a person's age don't make the first move, sexually. Man or woman, you are a gross old person that only fetishists want to sleep with.
d-usa wrote: But then, maybe my kind of thinking is exactly the problem here and part of the reason we all need to look inward to see what kind of things we have accepted as normal.
Well said and exalted.
I don't know if the Anthony Bourdain Slate interview was posted in this thread yet (I've been lurking but may have missed a page or two) but he has some interesting reflections on his own (potential) culpability in normalizing bad behaviors during his time as a chef.
I don't know if the Anthony Bourdain Slate interview was posted in this thread yet (I've been lurking but may have missed a page or two) but he has some interesting reflections on his own (potential) culpability in normalizing bad behaviors during his time as a chef.
In that case the whole system is stacked against you, as with Weinstein. You knew that there were would be lawyers. You knew that friendly press outfits like the New York Post would be burying you with slanderous, disparaging information. You knew that you would be blackballed. You knew that you would be mocked. Your career and your business that you worked your whole life for, your entire universe of this field that you love is controlled absolutely by one man and you see his terrible reach and power to crush and silence again and again and again and the willingness of these massive deep pocketed companies to assist in that effort knowingly.
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2017/10/27 05:58:47
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Easy E wrote: It sounds like Mr. Halperin was at least suspended from MSNBC/NBC over the allegations.
Was he suspended, or did he take leave for a period? That's often a matter of technicality, I guess.
Anyway, I may have jumped the gun on that one. After a couple of days it seems the Halperin story is gathering pace, at least on twitter. It seems like there's a narrative forming that Halperin was a key opinion leader in news coverage, which is true, and so his own issues with women caused him to lead that negative slant towards the Clinton campaign, which is something of a stretch, I think. If the claim was left at Halperin's issues being likely common among many people, and that in total led to the negative coverage of the campaign, I could see it, but that isn't where the left seems to be taking this.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2017/10/27 15:03:41
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
d-usa wrote: I am completely honest when I say that I wouldn’t have considered that sexual assault, and just accepted it as a “dirty old man” kind of thing. I’m not going to pretend that I have screamed “sexual predator” every time I saw an old grandpa get handsy.
Flip places with the actress. Imagine an old, crusty woman squeezed your behind and made a really dumb joke. You might feel a bit gross after.
Not nearly the same situation, but a much older female co-worker of mine made an innocent but sorta-inappropriate-for-the-workplace joke about wanting to see me dress up as a UPS driver for Halloween because she thought I'd look good in the brown shorts. I laughed at the time, and later told my wife about it and she laughed too. But we also agreed it was a inappropriate, and kinda icky because now I'd be imagining her checking out my sweet, sweet legs ( ) all day at work.
It just goes to show that one person's joke is another persons ick moment.
And probably as a general rule if you are 3x a person's age don't make the first move, sexually. Man or woman, you are a gross old person that only fetishists want to sleep with.
d-usa wrote: But then, maybe my kind of thinking is exactly the problem here and part of the reason we all need to look inward to see what kind of things we have accepted as normal.
Well said and exalted.
I don't know if the Anthony Bourdain Slate interview was posted in this thread yet (I've been lurking but may have missed a page or two) but he has some interesting reflections on his own (potential) culpability in normalizing bad behaviors during his time as a chef.
Fair points DT. This is why I have a strict keep everyone at biting wiener dog distance.
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2017/10/27 15:20:23
Subject: Re:Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
I have a question based around the suspendings and firings over allegations of sexual assault. What if the allegations turn up to be false, or not proveable? Does the suspension get revoked, how about the job, do they get it back? I support due process and hammering sexual predators, but it seems like if we are going to normalize firing those accused of wrong doing without proof, it could easily become an abuse-able irrevocable power. How is this being minimized?
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2017/10/27 22:53:06
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
At the very least, particularly if someone has had multiple accusations from different employees, they've probably been creating a 'hostile work environment.'
So while, yes, it is a hypothetical problem, most studies I'm aware of have shown a vast, vast, vast, vast, vast disparity between genuine claims and false ones (EG less than 5%).
2017/10/27 23:18:49
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Compel wrote: At the very least, particularly if someone has had multiple accusations from different employees, they've probably been creating a 'hostile work environment.'
So while, yes, it is a hypothetical problem, most studies I'm aware of have shown a vast, vast, vast, vast, vast disparity between genuine claims and false ones (EG less than 5%).
I concur, I'm definitely not saying that's the case. It's just a thought expirement. I have met two very vindictive women in my past. Both were married to Soldiers I was in charge of. Both times they utilized false accusations and created enough problems for the SMs that in both cases the Commanders punished the Soldier in one form or another just to make it stop. Now in the civilian world where the majority of people live hypothetically what is done to mitigate the possibility that a vindictive woman can create these problems out of spite. Are we willing to just hand wave it away for the greater good of ensuring that the real and majority of all accusations are treated correctly?
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2017/10/28 00:56:46
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
redleger wrote: I have a question based around the suspendings and firings over allegations of sexual assault. What if the allegations turn up to be false, or not proveable? Does the suspension get revoked, how about the job, do they get it back? I support due process and hammering sexual predators, but it seems like if we are going to normalize firing those accused of wrong doing without proof, it could easily become an abuse-able irrevocable power. How is this being minimized?
So you are saying that people being able to fire somebody with no proof is a bad thing? Are you saying these workers need rights or protections? Maybe we should have some sort of government oversight that prevents a business from firing a person for any reason they want.
Maybe at-will states really do suck!
2017/10/28 01:58:19
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Even without the whole super weird American Right to [strikethrough]fire people whenever[/strikethrough] work rules, a lot of larger companies do have various rules in their contracts about "bringing the organisation into disrepute" that would probably come into effect as well.
2017/10/28 03:29:39
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
redleger wrote: I have a question based around the suspendings and firings over allegations of sexual assault. What if the allegations turn up to be false, or not proveable? Does the suspension get revoked, how about the job, do they get it back? I support due process and hammering sexual predators, but it seems like if we are going to normalize firing those accused of wrong doing without proof, it could easily become an abuse-able irrevocable power. How is this being minimized?
So you are saying that people being able to fire somebody with no proof is a bad thing? Are you saying these workers need rights or protections? Maybe we should have some sort of government oversight that prevents a business from firing a person for any reason they want.
Maybe at-will states really do suck!
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2017/10/28 03:49:34
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
Communism taught us that abolish privilege, is to get privilege under a different demographic, and the transition from one unfair society to another is a bitch.
Reforming corporate culture is communism? What?
You should learn what an analogy is.
Any reform is a power shift, any power shift creates new masters to replace, reinforce or co-exist with the old.
Exceptions exist, but only under stringent public control under the auspices of uncorrupt people. You think that is likely in a massive, secretive and lucrative Hollywood industry.
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2017/10/29 15:33:31
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
redleger wrote: I have a question based around the suspendings and firings over allegations of sexual assault. What if the allegations turn up to be false, or not proveable? Does the suspension get revoked, how about the job, do they get it back? I support due process and hammering sexual predators, but it seems like if we are going to normalize firing those accused of wrong doing without proof, it could easily become an abuse-able irrevocable power. How is this being minimized?
So you are saying that people being able to fire somebody with no proof is a bad thing? Are you saying these workers need rights or protections? Maybe we should have some sort of government oversight that prevents a business from firing a person for any reason they want.
Maybe at-will states really do suck!
Either you are being very disingenuous or very sarcastic and I can not figure out which one. If the first I think you miss the point of the thought experiment. If the second then that is not technically what I was talking about.
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2017/10/29 16:54:52
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
redleger wrote: I have a question based around the suspendings and firings over allegations of sexual assault. What if the allegations turn up to be false, or not proveable? Does the suspension get revoked, how about the job, do they get it back? I support due process and hammering sexual predators, but it seems like if we are going to normalize firing those accused of wrong doing without proof, it could easily become an abuse-able irrevocable power. How is this being minimized?
So you are saying that people being able to fire somebody with no proof is a bad thing? Are you saying these workers need rights or protections? Maybe we should have some sort of government oversight that prevents a business from firing a person for any reason they want.
Maybe at-will states really do suck!
Either you are being very disingenuous or very sarcastic and I can not figure out which one. If the first I think you miss the point of the thought experiment. If the second then that is not technically what I was talking about.
But it is technically about what you are talking about. They don't get the job back. They were fired. That is how it works. You can be fired for anything within at-will states. If you fart in the same room as your boss they can fire you for it. Your boss hears a nasty rumor with no substance to it that you sexually assaulted a person, guess what, cya. You are asking us to minimize this, but it is a perfectly legal thing to do and people fight against protections from these types of things. Until changes are made to at-will states, protections from this type of employer abuse are impossible to put in to place.
2017/10/29 23:07:59
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
After the first couple of weeks of training, I chose to join the team that worked on my area of expertise, and this is where things started getting weird. On my first official day rotating on the team, my new manager sent me a string of messages over company chat. He was in an open relationship, he said, and his girlfriend was having an easy time finding new partners but he wasn't. He was trying to stay out of trouble at work, he said, but he couldn't help getting in trouble, because he was looking for women to have sex with. It was clear that he was trying to get me to have sex with him, and it was so clearly out of line that I immediately took screenshots of these chat messages and reported him to HR.
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Over the next few months, I began to meet more women engineers in the company. As I got to know them, and heard their stories, I was surprised that some of them had stories similar to my own. Some of the women even had stories about reporting the exact same manager I had reported, and had reported inappropriate interactions with him long before I had even joined the company. It became obvious that both HR and management had been lying about this being "his first offense", and it certainly wasn't his last. Within a few months, he was reported once again for inappropriate behavior, and those who reported him were told it was still his "first offense". The situation was escalated as far up the chain as it could be escalated, and still nothing was done.
Myself and a few of the women who had reported him in the past decided to all schedule meetings with HR to insist that something be done. In my meeting, the rep I spoke with told me that he had never been reported before, he had only ever committed one offense (in his chats with me), and that none of the other women who they met with had anything bad to say about him, so no further action could or would be taken. It was such a blatant lie that there was really nothing I could do. There was nothing any of us could do. We all gave up on Uber HR and our managers after that. Eventually he "left" the company. I don't know what he did that finally convinced them to fire him.
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Less than a week after this absurd meeting, my manager scheduled a 1:1 with me, and told me we needed to have a difficult conversation. He told me I was on very thin ice for reporting his manager to HR. California is an at-will employment state, he said, which means we can fire you if you ever do this again. I told him that was illegal, and he replied that he had been a manager for a long time, he knew what was illegal, and threatening to fire me for reporting things to HR was not illegal. I reported his threat immediately after the meeting to both HR and to the CTO: they both admitted that this was illegal, but none of them did anything. (I was told much later that they didn't do anything because the manager who threatened me "was a high performer").
2017/10/29 23:10:56
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
OK, so I think I understand that your point is literally, not hypothetically as the question was, the fact that they can be fired for anything is a travesty and that more government regulation is required to prevent states that allow employers to fire anyone for any reason is the problem. I get that, do not agree with even more government intrusion into business, but it is a fair point that women can in this hypothetical scenario do it carte blanche so to speak since in those states there is no requirement to do otherwise than take the easy road and fire the employee under suspicion/accused.
Am I understanding that correctly?
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2017/10/29 23:19:19
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
A man can be sexually harassed or assaulted in his job too, both by men or women co-workers. In fact I have seen some cases (Normally a female boss to one of his employes, talking about men being harassed/assaulted) go to court about this.
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2017/10/29 23:21:46
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
I'd say it all goes back to what protects the business more.
For maybe the next 2/3 weeks or so... They'll fire the manager.
After then, after the media microscope dies down? It's probably going back to getting rid of the employee (she was just not a good fit for the team...)
Note: Neither of those results have any relationship to what would have factually occurred in that situation.
2017/10/29 23:52:08
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
redleger wrote: OK, so I think I understand that your point is literally, not hypothetically as the question was, the fact that they can be fired for anything is a travesty and that more government regulation is required to prevent states that allow employers to fire anyone for any reason is the problem. I get that, do not agree with even more government intrusion into business, but it is a fair point that women can in this hypothetical scenario do it carte blanche so to speak since in those states there is no requirement to do otherwise than take the easy road and fire the employee under suspicion/accused.
Am I understanding that correctly?
Yes, you understand how at-will states work. Complaining that this is happening is complaining that there is not more "government intrusion" in to business to protect citizens from bogus firings.
2017/10/30 01:59:27
Subject: Movie Mogul accusation and the dark side of Hollywood
