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 Geifer wrote:
Oh, Chewie is available for the Republic now, too? Maybe I need a second one after all.

Yeah, Republic Chewie is great. His cards comes in the Yoda box.

The newer hard plastic Wookiee box also comes with new Republic Wookiee command cards and an additional Wookiee commander.

There's also an Old Boba and Fenic Shand mini floating around that's coming at the beginning of next year or end of this year. Finally Mandalorian themed stuff is coming.
I expect a Mando riding Rancor at some point.
A Pirate speeder tank, jawas, and some Hutt faction bad guys at some point (Hondo Ohnaka please)

Mandalorian wise we are also getting Moff Gideon and Dark Troopers.

Hopefully they can find a way to let us build a good Mandalorian / Fett force.

Would be good to get a Pyke syndicate force as seen in season 2, already have the basic unit including commander. Just need a extra options. Those large droids would do double duty for Confederacy armies as well.

I can see them doing Boba's (miniscule) criminal empire as a Battleforce in the same manner as the new Shadow Collective one. Lots of Commander/Operative slots but limits on most other things. Would bulk out the Bounty Hunter options too now that they're more widely available (Black Krrsantan!).

Core units would probably have to be a sort of 'civilian militia' type though they'd maybe also find a place in the Rebel list as well. Lots of single character squads. A Rancor.

Unfortunately that might also necessitate the Mod gang being a thing.

We're seeing Ewoks. I think we're past the point of questioning whether things that received mixed reactions get added to the game. Hard to imagine space vespas aren't coming. But just to be sure they should release Bombad General Jar Jar first.

I think it would actually be cool to get a squad of hillbillies as the core for Boba's army, and hopefully as a hireable merc unit for other armies. I know Legion isn't meant to be a place for counts as, but it wouldn't just be good for Rebel militia but could as easily be used for Imperial technicians caught in the crossfire, and various house/corporate/royal guards from the Clone Wars. But then I'd also like unnamed bounty hunters, unnamed Jedi, and so forth and that's just not something we're getting. At least we have unit cards for unnamed captains. That's something, I guess.

I wonder if we'll see a plastic redo of some Imperial and Rebel units at some point or if they intend to keep the PVC models forever and focus entirely on new things that don't exist yet.

Geifer,

Legion is absolutely the place for "counts as" or proxies. Outside of tournaments, nobody has an issue with using 3d printed Jedi in place of Obi-Wan or Anakin.

I use a converted Storm Commando as Iden since I don't use Imperial Special Forces/Inferno Squad.

My buddy has a printed named Clone Captain he uses in place of Rex.

People have printed off Republic Galactic Marines to use as Phase II Clones.

3d printed Thrawn minis to use as Krennic.

The list goes on. Most of us treat those named profiles as templates to create characters, since you can change how they play to suit your idea of that character through your command hand and upgrades.

I mean, yeah. I do that, too. I only recently added Governor Pryce to my collection and I intend to find a commander unit that fits her for whenever I get to play her and my fledgling Empire army that is still direly lacking in painted Corps units.

It's just that the game is pretty low on options and upgrades. I don't mind that so much because it makes for a reasonably balanced game. I like that about FFG's efforts. I guess I have a nebulous idea of where I would want a game to be between set units with a handful of options at best and full RPG customization, and I don't see Legion particularly close to that point.

 Geifer wrote:
We're seeing Ewoks.

I honestly hope the Ewoks have better melee than Stormtroopers. I'm sure that'd make some folks salty, but it's lore accurate....

 Geifer wrote:
I mean, yeah. I do that, too. I only recently added Governor Pryce to my collection and I intend to find a commander unit that fits her for whenever I get to play her and my fledgling Empire army that is still direly lacking in painted Corps units.

It's just that the game is pretty low on options and upgrades. I don't mind that so much because it makes for a reasonably balanced game. I like that about FFG's efforts. I guess I have a nebulous idea of where I would want a game to be between set units with a handful of options at best and full RPG customization, and I don't see Legion particularly close to that point.

Sure, that level of customization would be lovely but probably a completely different game prospect at that point (though I don't quite agree that there's not many options currently though it naturally varies heavily between unit types).

There seems to be a genuine clamour for Gungans to be in the game and they'd certainly be unique. Probably more likely now AMG have taken over the reigns from FFG. Will be interesting to see how far down the rabbit-hole the game goes in terms of 'generic' operatives like random Jedi Knight #6 (though with that particular case they'd probably be more likely to just expand the amount of named Jedi available to GAR. Notable absence of a certain purple lightsaber thus far). Battleforces probably provide a useful mechanism to introduce more specific factions/characters such without unbalancing existing factions.

The redux of existing models into HIPs seems to (understandably) come up a lot. I seem to recall AMG saying they'd like to do it but it's a question of priorities. I know I'd cheerfully replace every basic Stormtrooper I already own if they got a new kit; basically anything that came out alongside the original starter set is pretty rough by the standards of their releases now. a HIPs Vader and (non Limited Edition) Luke wouldn't hurt either.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

Battleforces probably provide a useful mechanism to introduce more specific factions/characters such without unbalancing existing factions.

The redux of existing models into HIPs seems to (understandably) come up a lot. I seem to recall AMG saying they'd like to do it but it's a question of priorities. I know I'd cheerfully replace every basic Stormtrooper I already own if they got a new kit; basically anything that came out alongside the original starter set is pretty rough by the standards of their releases now. a HIPs Vader and (non Limited Edition) Luke wouldn't hurt either.

I don't see them replacing old kits. I don't think there's any money in that honestly. I don't know that they're making that much off the battle forces (maybe selling leftover, re-packaged stock) I know I can't use anymore stormtroopers. I"ve already customized and converted and painted all the stormtroopers I ever care to. Soft plastic poses were way easier to convert than the sprue figures up to now anyway. (MCP figures are very difficult to convert as extra parts are hard to come buy and the scales are different with each figure and the poses are weird for that)

I do think we'll see a lot of these IG-11/88 type packs though. Mace Windu and Kit Fisto (for example) in a 2 pack for $30 or whatever.

buckero0 wrote:


I don't see them replacing old kits. I don't think there's any money in that honestly. I don't know that they're making that much off the battle forces (maybe selling leftover, re-packaged stock) I know I can't use anymore stormtroopers. I"ve already customized and converted and painted all the stormtroopers I ever care to. Soft plastic poses were way easier to convert than the sprue figures up to now anyway. (MCP figures are very difficult to convert as extra parts are hard to come buy and the scales are different with each figure and the poses are weird for that)

I do think we'll see a lot of these IG-11/88 type packs though. Mace Windu and Kit Fisto (for example) in a 2 pack for $30 or whatever.

I'm completely the other way with the conversion potential; those soft plastics are bloody awful for attempting to chop up and swap arms/weapons and the like because of how bespoke each pose is. Compared to something like the Phase IIs and the ARC kits that you can pretty much swap out heads/arms at will with very little need to gap fill. Give me HIPs all day. I can't see that there's a scale issue in M:CP at all but, even if that's the case, there's not really as much demand/scope for conversion there than in something like Legion where you're actually going to have multiples of the same model.

I do see them replacing them at some point; there seems to be a demand, whether that's just a vocal minority, or me projecting or something, I couldn't say but they've indicated it as something they're looking at already at least.

 Soundtheory wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
We're seeing Ewoks.

I honestly hope the Ewoks have better melee than Stormtroopers. I'm sure that'd make some folks salty, but it's lore accurate....

I'd be one of those folks.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
There seems to be a genuine clamour for Gungans to be in the game and they'd certainly be unique.

I always held that they're a prime candidate for expansion of the Republic because they're not just a rare example of a non-clone army fighting the Separatists in the name of the Republic, but unlike Wookiees who are only shown to defend their home planet, they're actually deployed away from Naboo. In my opinion Republic and CIS can get pretty samey. Getting units that are not clones or droids can really open them up visually.

And since Wookiees actually got their miniatures, there isn't even any competition for Gungans anymore. On the Republic side anyway. Seppies could do with some bugs or whatever first, I reckon.

Also, people want their Clone Wars era troll choice now that the Galactic Civil War gets Ewoks.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
The redux of existing models into HIPs seems to (understandably) come up a lot. I seem to recall AMG saying they'd like to do it but it's a question of priorities. I know I'd cheerfully replace every basic Stormtrooper I already own if they got a new kit; basically anything that came out alongside the original starter set is pretty rough by the standards of their releases now. a HIPs Vader and (non Limited Edition) Luke wouldn't hurt either.

I assembled my starter box models shortly after release and because I got volunteered to the rebellion (and made general, go figure) right afterwards I hadn't even looked at the Stormtroopers until two months ago. Yeah, you can definitely see they have "early attempt" written all over them. The sergeant is nice and the DLT-19 trooper is largely inoffensive, but the E-11 troopers sure look like they walk, shoot and fail like Stormtroopers.

I wouldn't replace my Stormtroopers, not the least because of how much work they are to paint, but I sure would add a couple of boxes of new sculpts to my collection. And a box or two for conversion bits.

Also, straight guns. Long, thin PVC guns suck. I'd happily pay up again just to get away from that.

 Geifer wrote:


I always held that they're a prime candidate for expansion of the Republic because they're not just a rare example of a non-clone army fighting the Separatists in the name of the Republic, but unlike Wookiees who are only shown to defend their home planet, they're actually deployed away from Naboo. In my opinion Republic and CIS can get pretty samey. Getting units that are not clones or droids can really open them up visually.

As are Wookiees, the movies only show them defending their home world, but lore wise and in the Clone Wars series they are shown and described as supporting Republic forces on other fronts.

A large portion of their forces converged back to their home world to defend it, but that was not the only place the supported the war effort.

From Wookieepedia:

"During the Clone Wars and the reign of King Grakchawwaa, the Wookiees remained fiercely loyal to the Galactic Republic and fought alongside them in several star systems. Towards the end of the conflict, Wookiee forces also defended their homeworld from a Separatist invasion with the help of Galactic Republic forces led by Jedi Master Yoda, who had good relations with them."

Not sure if anyone was curious or if it was known already, but Shadow Collective Maul and Rook are a shared sprue so will be a single box whenever they get released separately.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Not sure if anyone was curious or if it was known already, but Shadow Collective Maul and Rook are a shared sprue so will be a single box whenever they get released separately.

I saw an unboxing video, I found that to be interesting as well.

I take that as they will not be released as a single box anytime soon, since Shadow Collective is a starter... or they will get released as a single box in a couple of years.

Find it hard to see them release them by themselves anytime soon though. The Shadow Collective starter is a great way to move a varied collection of product. The real money is going to be made when a player decides they want all Pykes/Black Sun and buys 5 more boxes of them at full MSRP.

Yeah, that's interesting. It never even occurred to me that Rook wouldn't be in the Mandalorian box, what with the back of the battle force box showing her with them.

Normally I'm not a fan of box exclusives and Maul and Rook should be made available separately as a matter of principle, but for myself I can say I'm no terribly bothered in this case. The battle force offers a great discount. You pay for two squads and get the third squad and characters for free compared to the individual boxes. That works great for me since I definitely wanted a box of Pykes and Mandalorians.

It's not even like full MSRP on the individual boxes is outrageous. They're the same as other infantry boxes. Since that was the norm for Legion since the beginning, the addition of such a nice discount box gets a thumbs up from me.

I ended up buying two starters with a Super Commando box coming so I can run at least three full squads of these characters.

The bonus here is that I have two of everything now, so I can at least model the second Rook as something different, and have both stances for Maul

Gar, the third squad, and the upgrade pack should all be arriving Monday

Even if they remain an exclusive it's probably not a major issue considering the Shadow Collective is a very limited force in terms of options so there's not many instances where you wouldn't want to get the starter set when wanting to buy into the faction.

Especially when it's such good value; suspect a lot of people will be getting multiples considering it's generally the same price as buying 2 squads.

Is there a handy link that explains which Legion releases are hard plastic, and which are resin? I've only purchased one figure (a very well-cast resin Bossk) so I'm out of the loop on this.

For the hard plastic kits, are they good quality? Are any of them decent for creating a variety of poses / kitbashing?

 Vermonter wrote:
Is there a handy link that explains which Legion releases are hard plastic, and which are resin? I've only purchased one figure (a very well-cast resin Bossk) so I'm out of the loop on this.

For the hard plastic kits, are they good quality? Are any of them decent for creating a variety of poses / kitbashing?

I haven't seen a guide on it, though some sellers like Miniatures Market usually list it in the description.

The kits are very good quality in my experience, though they lack a lot of poseability. Some, such as the new commanders, usually have alternate arms to make a different pose but for your baseline infantry it'll take some cutting and potentially greenstuff work to do anything.

We happened to have this thread in the FFG/AMG subforum not too long ago which should give you a decent idea of what's in plastic:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/802981.page

 Vermonter wrote:
Is there a handy link that explains which Legion releases are hard plastic, and which are resin? I've only purchased one figure (a very well-cast resin Bossk) so I'm out of the loop on this.

For the hard plastic kits, are they good quality? Are any of them decent for creating a variety of poses / kitbashing?

None of them are in Resin. You've got hard plastic for all the newer sets and then the original 'softer' PVC plastics (which is what that Bossk model will have been). The softer ones are sort of a bridge between board game PVC quality and more traditional wargame plastics; actually pretty decent but the HIPs stuff is much better for detail, mould lines and, for me, customization; you get a lot of spare bitz.

AMG has put up an article about the upcoming Swoop Bike Riders:

https://www.atomicmassgames.com/star-wars-legion-transmissions





Vibro-ax, you say? I was interested in whether the kit comes with head options so you can have more than the two guys shown in the picture, but now I don't care anymore because I am so going to convert Gamorreans on bikes. Pigs will fly!

Gamorreans could be a thing before too long anyway (can only hope). We know there's more 'Scum and Villainy' type releases to come this year and I can only imagine we're building towards a Jabba/Hutt Syndicate battleforce list (or similar) at some point.

Really? On the one hand, that could save me work. On the other hand, it really depends on when we might get those Scum models. On the other, other hand, I really don't work very fast, so I may not even get to the Swoop Bikes before that happens. Could be good.

So back to hoping we're going to see a heftier model preview in the non too distant future.

I will say though that as nice as Scum and Villainy is to have, I'd appreciate it if they'd release Ahsoka already. I've been made to wait long enough...

Still, back to that article, I really like this whole mercenary business. I've had an idea for a Rebel army and getting some options for hire is very much appreciated. Got to break out the unit cards in the Shadow Collective box to see what options I have.

 Geifer wrote:
Really? On the one hand, that could save me work. On the other hand, it really depends on when we might get those Scum models. On the other, other hand, I really don't work very fast, so I may not even get to the Swoop Bikes before that happens. Could be good.

So back to hoping we're going to see a heftier model preview in the non too distant future.

I will say though that as nice as Scum and Villainy is to have, I'd appreciate it if they'd release Ahsoka already. I've been made to wait long enough...

Still, back to that article, I really like this whole mercenary business. I've had an idea for a Rebel army and getting some options for hire is very much appreciated. Got to break out the unit cards in the Shadow Collective box to see what options I have.

Well they've rescheduled the Ministravaganza for 14th-16th July so hopefully there's more to be revealed then.

Those Swoop Bikes are available for Rebels and you can have the Pykes from Shadow Collective; think that's all they're getting for now (until Mando comes out).

That's good to know about the show. Hopefully they can hold it this time around.

I am just hoping that them correcting the card image for the Swoop Bikes from Crit to Block to now Surge to Block means we can expect that to be on the physical card as well.

I absolutely love the wave of new releases that are mostly AMG designed from a game perspective, but the rules errors, forgotten cards, and misprints with this wave have been atrocious for a group that designed a game from their previous company they worked at that focused on rules clarity and accuracy.

Hoping the embarrassment of their string of errors gives them the motivation to do better.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I am just hoping that them correcting the card image for the Swoop Bikes from Crit to Block to now Surge to Block means we can expect that to be on the physical card as well.

I absolutely love the wave of new releases that are mostly AMG designed from a game perspective, but the rules errors, forgotten cards, and misprints with this wave have been atrocious for a group that designed a game from their previous company they worked at that focused on rules clarity and accuracy.

Hoping the embarrassment of their string of errors gives them the motivation to do better.

Curious, outside of the missing Gar Saxon shield card and the temporary misprint on the Swoops (prior to release at that; hopefully they caught it in time), what errors have there been like this? Can't say I've noticed a 'string' of issues as such. Actual embarrassment might be coming at it a bit strong.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I am just hoping that them correcting the card image for the Swoop Bikes from Crit to Block to now Surge to Block means we can expect that to be on the physical card as well.

I absolutely love the wave of new releases that are mostly AMG designed from a game perspective, but the rules errors, forgotten cards, and misprints with this wave have been atrocious for a group that designed a game from their previous company they worked at that focused on rules clarity and accuracy.

Hoping the embarrassment of their string of errors gives them the motivation to do better.

Curious, outside of the missing Gar Saxon shield card and the temporary misprint on the Swoops (prior to release at that; hopefully they caught it in time), what errors have there been like this? Can't say I've noticed a 'string' of issues as such. Actual embarrassment might be coming at it a bit strong.

Ah, I should have been more clear. I was also including the errors they have made in things like their game streams, where they played the Pykes heavy weapons with the wrong profile, the 501st Legion 1 pip (that counts as a 2 pip) command card that says "Clone Commander Rex" instead of "Clone Captain Rex", and while not Legion related... their bungling of X-Wing 2.5 which caused one of the first major tournament finals after the change to be won in the deployment phase due to how AMG designed the scenario.