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 NH Gunsmith wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I am just hoping that them correcting the card image for the Swoop Bikes from Crit to Block to now Surge to Block means we can expect that to be on the physical card as well.

I absolutely love the wave of new releases that are mostly AMG designed from a game perspective, but the rules errors, forgotten cards, and misprints with this wave have been atrocious for a group that designed a game from their previous company they worked at that focused on rules clarity and accuracy.

Hoping the embarrassment of their string of errors gives them the motivation to do better.

Curious, outside of the missing Gar Saxon shield card and the temporary misprint on the Swoops (prior to release at that; hopefully they caught it in time), what errors have there been like this? Can't say I've noticed a 'string' of issues as such. Actual embarrassment might be coming at it a bit strong.

Ah, I should have been more clear. I was also including the errors they have made in things like their game streams, where they played the Pykes heavy weapons with the wrong profile, the 501st Legion 1 pip (that counts as a 2 pip) command card that says "Clone Commander Rex" instead of "Clone Captain Rex", and while not Legion related... their bungling of X-Wing 2.5 which caused one of the first major tournament finals after the change to be won in the deployment phase due to how AMG designed the scenario.

Outside of the X-Wing situation (which I don't follow to be honest) I don't really see any of those as major concerns. Or concerns at all to be honest; I don't think I've ever watched a game designer play their own game on live stream and not balls up one of the rules, which isn't necessarily surprising when it comes to showcasing new stuff given they've probably got any number of different versions and variations on the rules for that model swirling about in their head. I'm not pedantic enough to care if they make mistakes on their streams.

The mistakes such as the 'commander' on the Rex card (assuming that's made it to print and not just an error on the version they showcased; or if it was even an error at all, maybe there's an alternative Rex from his brief promotion) are undoubtedly more annoying but that's all it is for me; a mild annoyance. It doesn't actually impact the gameplay and given points cost changes/errata/balancing changes etc. make a chunk of the physical cards pretty redundant down the line it's not like there's no chance that they'll offer updated physical versions at some point (they've just done this with MCP).

The new Nuln Oil mix looks like it could be perfect for Clones and Stormtroopers over a zenethil highlight. A lot less staining than the current version.

Yeah, that's not bad. When GW announced the new paints my first thought was that the new grey shade might be the go to for easy Stormtroopers and clones. I haven't seen any pictures of that shade yet, though, and the new Nuln Oil looks pretty usable without the stains on the high areas the old one created.

I've seen a guy online (Nomad Paintworks) who does his Clones and Stormtroopers almost exclusively just with a bright (but matt finish) white primer, nuln oil/medium wash and then some edge highlights and it's honestly the best painted examples around. Adopted the method myself and it's really effective (albeit I can't match his quality). This change to Nuln oil might even make it easier.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
I've seen a guy online (Nomad Paintworks) who does his Clones and Stormtroopers almost exclusively just with a bright (but matt finish) white primer, nuln oil/medium wash and then some edge highlights and it's honestly the best painted examples around. Adopted the method myself and it's really effective (albeit I can't match his quality). This change to Nuln oil might even make it easier.

That’s whose scheme I have been following as well. I only actually started a couple of weeks ago, painted 3 troopers and then the new paints were announced so have put it on hold until they are released. My troopers looked good but were definitely more gray than white, hopefully this new nuln oil may fix that.

Aeneades wrote:
The new Nuln Oil mix looks like it could be perfect for Clones and Stormtroopers over a zenethil highlight. A lot less staining than the current version.

I mean... that's what the gloss ones did already. Or at least I've been using them for that.

Aeneades wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
I've seen a guy online (Nomad Paintworks) who does his Clones and Stormtroopers almost exclusively just with a bright (but matt finish) white primer, nuln oil/medium wash and then some edge highlights and it's honestly the best painted examples around. Adopted the method myself and it's really effective (albeit I can't match his quality). This change to Nuln oil might even make it easier.

That’s whose scheme I have been following as well. I only actually started a couple of weeks ago, painted 3 troopers and then the new paints were announced so have put it on hold until they are released. My troopers looked good but were definitely more gray than white, hopefully this new nuln oil may fix that.

It all came down to the quality of the white for me; had to be very matt and a good, solid white. Not off-white or grey. Haven't had the Nuln 'stain' the white at all, just go into the recesses so it might be a case of how much medium you're using or how quickly you're spreading it.

Oh my, we got spoiled today.

Ewoks out late next year, likely when "Tempest Force" (the Imperial Endor battle force) js coming out as well.

Ewoks are Rebel mercenaries or their own force.

Also: Chewie gets to steal an AT-ST.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Ewoks are Rebel mercenaries or their own force.

Also: Chewie gets to steal an AT-ST.

It seems like Chewie in an AT-ST is a Field Commander, they hinted at him being a way to deal with the morale issues Ewoks have, and seemed like they were hinting at possible keywords like Cunning he may have with how they put an emphasis on that word when talking about needing a "cunning" plan to make Ewoks with Chewie in a chicken walker work.

Not a huge fan of Moff Gideon's sculpt, and the Dark Troopers rules look great... but man those flying minis don't do it for me.

Dark Troopers are beautiful. I'm not big on flying infantry in general, so I'll have to sleep on those, but they don't have flying stands and the poses look like they can work on the ground, so they should be a quick conversion away from walking.

I don't know if I have any problem with Gideon's sculpt. Looks like how I'd expect him to look. But that paintjob seems like a big departure from what FFG used to give their Legion models and more at home in Crisis Protocol. Which shouldn't be all that surprising, of course.

It's good that Ewoks get to be a force of their own for those inclined to make an Ewok troll army. Nice sculpts and probably way too cuddly to pass up buying a squad.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
Oh my, we got spoiled today.

I beg to differ. We get spoiled only, and I repeat, only if we see Ahsoka. That's a scientifically proven fact.

 Geifer wrote:
Dark Troopers are beautiful. I'm not big on flying infantry in general, so I'll have to sleep on those, but they don't have flying stands and the poses look like they can work on the ground, so they should be a quick conversion away from walking.

I don't know if I have any problem with Gideon's sculpt. Looks like how I'd expect him to look. But that paintjob seems like a big departure from what FFG used to give their Legion models and more at home in Crisis Protocol. Which shouldn't be all that surprising, of course.

It's good that Ewoks get to be a force of their own for those inclined to make an Ewok troll army. Nice sculpts and probably way too cuddly to pass up buying a squad.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
Oh my, we got spoiled today.

I beg to differ. We get spoiled only, and I repeat, only if we see Ahsoka. That's a scientifically proven fact.

Well, they pretty much said that the 501st battle force will be changed to allow Ahsoka. So she was at least mentioned, and we know that battle forces are living documents that will bd changed as things are released.

Grogu does not at all seem worth taking unless I'm hugely missing something. Also it seems like he can be in an Empire army?

Don't get me wrong, I'm super hyped for this wave. The game has really kicked back into gear locally and it feels like the game is really grown into its potential in the last 6 months or so.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
Well, they pretty much said that the 501st battle force will be changed to allow Ahsoka. So she was at least mentioned, and we know that battle forces are living documents that will bd changed as things are released.

That's good to know. Especially since I'd prefer to get a model for Clone Wars Ahsoka so she can be used alongside Anakin.

 LunarSol wrote:
Grogu does not at all seem worth taking unless I'm hugely missing something. Also it seems like he can be in an Empire army?

The stream says Grogu is Rebel only and gives a VP to whoever claims him? Text of the card doesn't seem to line up with that, but it makes a little more sense that way.

Things of significance shamelessly stolen from here:

https://star-wars-legion.com/2022/07/17/ministravaganza-reveals-part-3/

Asajj is for Separatists, Ahsoka is the Fulcrum version for Rebels.

Both will be operatives. Both will come with four command cards with the fourth card using a new Teamwork mechanic.

Both are scheduled for Q2 2023

GAR version of Ahsoka is in the works

 LunarSol wrote:
Grogu does not at all seem worth taking unless I'm hugely missing something. Also it seems like he can be in an Empire army?

Don't get me wrong, I'm super hyped for this wave. The game has really kicked back into gear locally and it feels like the game is really grown into its potential in the last 6 months or so.

Dunno, 2 Suppression and 2 Immobilize is pretty damn good, even if it's only a limited range (and random). A free heal is always nice as an alternative, especially on Mando himself with his solid armour.

Ahsoka being in her rebel incarnation first is certainly a choice, especially given the absolute dearth of Operative options for GAR; at least she's confirmed to get multiple versions.

I do like that Battleforces are going to give breathing room for things like Ewoks without completely bloating existing factions.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
Ahsoka being in her rebel incarnation first is certainly a choice, especially given the absolute dearth of Operative options for GAR; at least she's confirmed to get multiple versions.

It's kind of funny, too. She was introduced in Clone Wars, plays a major role in Clone Wars and is Anakin's apprentice. Whereas she's a rarer side character in Rebels. So which version do we make (first)? Any takes?

But I'm not complaining. If they want me to buy two Ahsokas, I'll buy two Ahsokas. Oddly enough I'm more likely to play Rebels anyway, even though I want her more for Republic. So doing it this way may even be better for me.

 Geifer wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
Ahsoka being in her rebel incarnation first is certainly a choice, especially given the absolute dearth of Operative options for GAR; at least she's confirmed to get multiple versions.

It's kind of funny, too. She was introduced in Clone Wars, plays a major role in Clone Wars and is Anakin's apprentice. Whereas she's a rarer side character in Rebels. So which version do we make (first)? Any takes?

But I'm not complaining. If they want me to buy two Ahsokas, I'll buy two Ahsokas. Oddly enough I'm more likely to play Rebels anyway, even though I want her more for Republic. So doing it this way may even be better for me.

I think it has less to do with her appearance in Rebels and everything to do with her appearance in the Mandalorian given everything else being released.

They are doing a third version for Mandalorian / post ROTJ. Likely to be the first character that gets three versions (excluding limited edition models, as Vader is already there).

They are? I guess if they want me to buy three Ahsokas, I'm just going to have to buy three Ahsokas then.

Technically we have stock models for Anakin and two Vaders for three times the same guy, though I won't blame anyone for thinking that doesn't count.

They said when they got the go-ahead to made ahsoka, the Kashyyk wave was just announced so gar was getting alot.
So they wanted to do rebels because they didn't want Gar to have alot more releases

It does make sense in terms of release parity. There does though seem to be a degree of saltiness amongst GAR-only players in general (for various reasons) and compounded by one of the factions' most iconic characters being released in a lesser-known iteration; seems to have felt like a bit of a slap in the face to some. I don't really agree with any of that but I've seen the sentiment expressed.

Part of the issue is possibly that GAR have also gained the least from any of the new/announced mercenary units (basically Pykes).

AMG did say that another Commander option is coming out for them in the same wave as Ahsoka and Ventress though so guesses on who that might be (probably Cody or Windu being the obvious candidates).

I'm thinking it will be Saw Guerrera and Onderon Rebels.

Would have rathered that Ahsoka came with cards for both GAR and Rebels, honestly.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm thinking it will be Saw Guerrera and Onderon Rebels.

While it would be cool to get more non-clone troops for the Republic, I'd prefer if we got older Saw for Rebels.

But I guess getting Saw at all is preferable, and there's always a chance of getting both down the line.

 Stormonu wrote:
Would have rathered that Ahsoka came with cards for both GAR and Rebels, honestly.

I imagine that's not easy to do with the way the models are boxed with the rules. Teenage Ahsoka looks different from adult Ahsoka, so if they included rules for both they would have to decide on a single sculpt that is not representative of one era or the other.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm thinking it will be Saw Guerrera and Onderon Rebels.

I'll be honest, that's probably the last iteration of Saw that I think of but I suppose that'd at least be on point given the Ahsoka option. GAR probably do need some more core options though I couldn't say what would fir best. Gungans being in a Battleforce seems like a no-brainer though the basic troopers could probably make their way over to the generic GAR roster.

I think it'll be Cody. There's currently only one-named Clone Commander and apparently he'll turn up in Bad Batch S2 so the timing aligns.

I'm surprised we've not heard anything about Senate Commandos yet.

 Arbitrator wrote:
I think it'll be Cody. There's currently only one-named Clone Commander and apparently he'll turn up in Bad Batch S2 so the timing aligns.

I'm surprised we've not heard anything about Senate Commandos yet.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's Cody. Outside chance of Wolffe.

I think they're more likely to do the Clone Commandos; one of the Devs apparently loves them though they'd need to be made distinct from ARCs to justify the competing slot (not that ARCs are especially popular at the minute it seems; all the jump-troop/Mandalorian options are considered in a bad place rules/points wise).

I mean Commandos can be our equivalent of pathfinders and destvtroops with the weapon that is configurable.
And maybe vibroblades as an armament