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Ah! It was a Web Gauntlet. I was right.

Where's that pic from?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ah! It was a Web Gauntlet. I was right.

Where's that pic from?

Dunno, grab it from Yak

That Laspistol looks like Rey's Blaster

Heh. It does.

And now that this kit has hand flamers (2 per box), is it safe to assume they won't give us 7 hand flamers per resin upgrade kit?

And if they must, just put some plasma pistols in there. Pretty please!

You want plasma pistols? Hand flamers it is then!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Heh. It does.

And now that this kit has hand flamers (2 per box), is it safe to assume they won't give us 7 hand flamers per resin upgrade kit?

And if they must, just put some plasma pistols in there. Pretty please!

Huh? You can never have enough flamer, they probably get flamer, other hand hand flamer, and heavy flamer , and then flamer and hand flamer in holster bits

I was kinda surprised none of the main house gang have bolt weapon.

Some of the upgrade sets of bolt weapons, the Orlock one especially.

Surprised they don't have needler weapons. Seems ideal for Delaque use.

I do like the general look of the weaponry - I hope the barrels are silencers, and that the shotgun will receive some type of flechette ammo. Surprised they don;t have more wrist-mounted weaponry (like crossbows), but then I suppose thats what digital weapons are...

I'm still not really on board with the whole "every house makes their own version of every gun" thing, but the "faction-specific" items for Delaque like the web gauntlet look cool. For me, the big wants from the FW upgrades are definitely new two-handed rifle holding/aiming/shooting poses, a web gauntlet actually being worn/fired, and ideally at least a couple of poses with the gang's signature gun actually being used.

Most FW bits are just plastic arm poses with new guns digitally copy pasted on, so I wouldn't be too hopeful there.

I know, but most of the other gangs have a much wider variety of arm poses in the basic kit, so I'm hoping(though not predicting) FW will put a smidge more effort in this time.

It's like the artist for that Stub Gun has never even seen a revolver. Much less knows how one actually works. Geez, spend 5 minutes on wikipedia before you start sculpting, for Pete's sake.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
It's like the artist for that Stub Gun has never even seen a revolver. Much less knows how one actually works. Geez, spend 5 minutes on wikipedia before you start sculpting, for Pete's sake.

Er, isn't it a stub automatic with a drum magazine? I didn't think it was supposed to be a stub revolver. The way they've gone with a magazine foreward of the grip does make it look a lot like the autopistol unfortunately.

Yeah, Stubgun covers a variety of weapons. They're not all revolvers.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, Stubgun covers a variety of weapons. They're not all revolvers.

You're absolutely right. My memory failed me. Never mind.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm still not really on board with the whole "every house makes their own version of every gun" thing…

Please remember that every Great House is literally a nation of billions unto itself. Considering that modern nations of only a few millions frequently have multiple arms manufacturers, each with their own style, the fact that every House gang has the same aesthetic to their gear is the ascension day miracle, not that each House has different stuff.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm still not really on board with the whole "every house makes their own version of every gun" thing…

Please remember that every Great House is literally a nation of billions unto itself. Considering that modern nations of only a few millions frequently have multiple arms manufacturers, each with their own style, the fact that every House gang has the same aesthetic to their gear is the ascension day miracle, not that each House has different stuff.

Sure but not after being told for 25 years that everything is STC and looks the same all over the galaxy.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm still not really on board with the whole "every house makes their own version of every gun" thing…

Please remember that every Great House is literally a nation of billions unto itself. Considering that modern nations of only a few millions frequently have multiple arms manufacturers, each with their own style, the fact that every House gang has the same aesthetic to their gear is the ascension day miracle, not that each House has different stuff.

Sure but not after being told for 25 years that everything is STC and looks the same all over the galaxy.

There’s always been things like lasgun variants and stuff in the fluff.

Naow this is good...

Mwhaahahah

Bloodmaster wrote:

Spoiler:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

Bloodmaster wrote:

The use of digital books is an abomination, print is the only valid way to go. Not only is it far batter to handle and to switch back and forth but also does it conserve information much more secure - the amound of decayed data in Epubs is to damn high.

Pfff. Chalk and paper, modern hum-buck, that stuff will never catch on. Stick to clay tablets, that stuff is far superior. Wait a sec, writing?! That is work of the wicked, only way to remember the deeds of our heroes is through oral traditions.

Preaching heresy, eh? Writing may be risky because someone could read it. But... telling?!!! Knowledge is power, guard it well!

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm still not really on board with the whole "every house makes their own version of every gun" thing…

Please remember that every Great House is literally a nation of billions unto itself. Considering that modern nations of only a few millions frequently have multiple arms manufacturers, each with their own style, the fact that every House gang has the same aesthetic to their gear is the ascension day miracle, not that each House has different stuff.

I disagree. As Blackfang says this isn't a modern world with modern nations, it's a hive world in 40K. The majority of basic weaponry should be made to STC patterns, and most of that to whatever specific STC is most widely used locally. Houses would be competing for contracts to produce STC gear using STC designs, not manufacturing their own gear and then trying to flog it like companies and states do today. I can just about buy in to the idea that Van Saar have a complete set of unique gear, there's no issue with Houses manufacturing their own fancy specialist equipment/weapons or with Cawdor's junk'o'gun things, and just because one appropriate style for each weapon is the most common doesn't mean you can't have any variants they could chuck a Mars or Kantrael pattern weapon on a sprue here & there, but the idea the Houses are making six different patterns of autogun, autopistol, of laspistol, or lasgun etc etc that aren't found anywhere else AND also producing the Necromunda pattern(while the pictured weapon isn't explicitly named that AFAIK, it only shows up on classic Necromunda models to my knowledge, and the other commonplace style from that range has already been tagged as Triplex-Phall pattern) is just silly IMO.



Frankly at this point they might as well just chuck out the whole idea of STC, GW don't stick to it any more and evidently plenty of folk would rather have their favourite factions get their own special snowflake style anyway.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm still not really on board with the whole "every house makes their own version of every gun" thing…

Please remember that every Great House is literally a nation of billions unto itself. Considering that modern nations of only a few millions frequently have multiple arms manufacturers, each with their own style, the fact that every House gang has the same aesthetic to their gear is the ascension day miracle, not that each House has different stuff.

Sure but not after being told for 25 years that everything is STC and looks the same all over the galaxy.

There’s always been things like lasgun variants and stuff in the fluff.

Yeah, we have long known that different forge worlds generally produce their own STC variants, and even multiple variants of similar designs. In addition, the actual external appearence of a piece of kit is not entirely determined by the STC design- aesthetic modifications to the exterior are generally ok, such as wooden furniture on a lasgun, rather than metal or something. A lot of "STC" tech also just seems to be pre-Imperial human tech adopted into the fold during the Great Crusade.

Necromunda is a planet with an enormous population- likely one of the most populous planets in the Imperium- and was populous long before it became an Imperial planet. It is also hugely developed and technologically advanced. As each of the Houses represents distinct industrial concerns holding technology that may well be pre-Imperial, I don't think it is at all inconceivable that they each choose to manufacture patterns of weaponry that are visually distinct from those of other Houses- each House has its own area of expertise and aesthetic, and weaponry to suit. Some of those patterns have probably been produced continually since before the Imperial Fists brought the Araneus Continuity into compliance- maybe Araneus soldiers carried Nihilus-pattern lasweapons into battle against the Great Crusade?

Of course a gang in the Underhive would probably end up with a mix of different equipment after awhile, and certain patterns common to the wider Imperium also seem to be present (like autoguns in the Armageddon-pattern style, used by both House Escher and scavenged by House Cawdor. Currently also the standard weapins for Chaos and Genestealer cultists).

But many of the gangs do have a valid reason to make guns to different specifications. A Goliath ganger is physically totally different to an Escher ganger. A weapon a Goliath can easily hold would be hard for an Escher to use without risking harm to themselves or just being really inaccurate. Similarly a Goliath might have to take the trigger guard off just to be able to get their finger to an Escher gun.


Also don't forget most of the gangs have their own factories and foundries which can churn out their own weapons and gear made to their own specifications. So, again, there's every reason that they can adapt the core technology to their own designs.

Remember the Hive City has possibly as many people as the whole world we live on today. The size is VAST and actually quite mind breaking as to how huge we are talking when waste output forms vast waterfalls in the underhive; when whole domes of people can be crushed and destroyed in a quake and it hardly has any effect on the upper reaches.


I can well see competing gangs producing weapons to their own style, suited to their own use. Also don't forget many gangers are going to custom craft, twist, alter and generally muck around with their gear to suit their own unique tastes. So each gang having its own design builds into that visual theme; even though in reality many would be stealing guns off each other and borrowing gear and buying and trading it all the time.


So there's good arguments for both to be valid approaches and in the underhive chances are both are taking place. GW just chose to follow the unique design approach because it makes for more characterful models.

It might be that if/when we see GW make dedicated juve models once more we could see more generic weapons, representing their lower status and thus lesser access to good gear.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm still not really on board with the whole "every house makes their own version of every gun" thing…

Please remember that every Great House is literally a nation of billions unto itself. Considering that modern nations of only a few millions frequently have multiple arms manufacturers, each with their own style, the fact that every House gang has the same aesthetic to their gear is the ascension day miracle, not that each House has different stuff.

I disagree. As Blackfang says this isn't a modern world with modern nations, it's a hive world in 40K. The majority of basic weaponry should be made to STC patterns, and most of that to whatever specific STC is most widely used locally. Houses would be competing for contracts to produce STC gear using STC designs, not manufacturing their own gear and then trying to flog it like companies and states do today. I can just about buy in to the idea that Van Saar have a complete set of unique gear, there's no issue with Houses manufacturing their own fancy specialist equipment/weapons or with Cawdor's junk'o'gun things, and just because one appropriate style for each weapon is the most common doesn't mean you can't have any variants they could chuck a Mars or Kantrael pattern weapon on a sprue here & there, but the idea the Houses are making six different patterns of autogun, autopistol, of laspistol, or lasgun etc etc that aren't found anywhere else AND also producing the Necromunda pattern(while the pictured weapon isn't explicitly named that AFAIK, it only shows up on classic Necromunda models to my knowledge, and the other commonplace style from that range has already been tagged as Triplex-Phall pattern) is just silly IMO.



Frankly at this point they might as well just chuck out the whole idea of STC, GW don't stick to it any more and evidently plenty of folk would rather have their favourite factions get their own special snowflake style anyway.

That style is essentially still used by House Escher- the distinctive forward-angled laspack is on the plastic lasgun. They have changed the barrel layout though.

There are actually surprisingly few weapons used by more than one House- autoguns and pistols, shotguns and combat shotguns, stub pistols, and heavy stubbers being the most notable.

The autoguns are only used by three Houses, and come in two styles, one of which matches the broader autogun style (Armageddon-pattern) used by the GSC and Chaos cultists. Orlock specialise in auto weaponry, so it is not inconceivable they have won a contract for a specific pattern, or simply find the carbines they produce to suit their needs better than the longer Armageddon pattern used by Escher and scavenged by Cawdow.

Stub weapons and shotguns have long been shown to be easy to improvise and create from local designs, and there are numerous STC patterns too. It doesn't seem weird that these guns are very variable.

The House-specific weapons largely represent doctrine and specialisation of the industrial output of the Houses- most of them are available in the trading post. They may represent exclusive contracts to manufacture certain designs from the Adeptus Mechanicus- Necromunda has had ten thousand years as a prime planet in the Segmentum Solar to build such trade complexities.

I don't think much is unexplainable really.


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Oh, another point- as Imperial industrial concerns, they will also have contracts for who they supply, many will be centuries or more old. House Orlock, as an example, may supply the Imperial Navy, which is why they focus on short, handy auto weapons and combat shotguns. House Escher may supply the Guard, so they have a focus on lasguns. And so on.

Necromunda pattern weapon are not intended for shipping to the Imperium, the small chunk that actually made for the Imperium (which is still alot to warrant Necromunda as some of the largest manufacturer) probably follow common pattern used by the Imperium. Necromunda is no common hive world.

 Haighus wrote:


There are actually surprisingly few weapons used by more than one House- autoguns and pistols, shotguns and combat shotguns, stub pistols, and heavy stubbers being the most notable.

The autoguns are only used by three Houses, and come in two styles, one of which matches the broader autogun style (Armageddon-pattern) used by the GSC and Chaos cultists. Orlock specialise in auto weaponry, so it is not inconceivable they have won a contract for a specific pattern, or simply find the carbines they produce to suit their needs better than the longer Armageddon pattern used by Escher and scavenged by Cawdow.

Escher, Orlock, Van Saar and Delaque all have distinct designs of auto-weapons. Not sure about Cawdor; they do a lot of scanvenging, but they still have their own manufacturing concerns; not everything is a a knackered old scrapper.

Also, "pattern" doesn't just mean visually obvious differences - see all the different patterns of bolt weapon and plasma weapon represented in the different Imperial Armour books in use by different Space Marine chapters - all visually identical, but different patterns. The different House styles are probably descended from STC plans for lasguns given different starting tech levels and available raw materials.

My take on the different House styles is that the internals - power packs, lasing chamber, focusing optics, etc are all standard - one or a few STC designs - but all the external hardware is different. Somewhere in the House Escher lasgun factory, they churn out lasgun skeletons by the million, then half of them go down the "export" line to get the standard Astra Militarum furniture added, the other half go down the "domestic" line and get the more slim-line House equipment.

Perhaps this is just a model design decision to make the gangs look more "unique", and fluff being adjusted to match that?

Never wanted gang-unique weapons design in old Necromunda, but isn't very bothered by it now. A negative effect is it does limit options for converting and swapping weapons between gangs. It is also way more expensive to buy additional weapons since you typically buy them per gang now, instead of a shared pool that all gangs can use.

Baxx wrote:
Perhaps this is just a model design decision to make the gangs look more "unique", and fluff being adjusted to match that?

That is how their design cycle works. Models first, then rules/fluff.

Does anybody have any pictures of Delaque figures compared to regular guardsmen? I'd love to see the scale difference, if any.