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Man, sneaky Delaque gangers sure love GIANT pistols, don't they?

I like the rest, especially the shared rear chassis style, but the pistols are just too much. Seriously, their pistols are as big as the Auto/shot/lasguns, just with no rear stock.

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You know what else is crazy? Apparently there are only around TEN unique individuals in each gang. All remaining gang members are evidently cloned, or undergo surgery to look like their precursors, or wear hologrammatic camouflage, or something.

I know it's hard to believe, but just check out the sprues. I'm only seeing about 10 different faces per gang (sometimes fewer!). Huge surprise imo... can't believe such a pervasive story element was never revealed in the original background.

Also makes it REALLY difficult to convert models... where am I supposed to find a sculpt of the exact same face, only performing a slightly different expression? Sometimes I find myself wishing for the good old days.
   
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 Altruizine wrote:
You know what else is crazy? Apparently there are only around TEN unique individuals in each gang. All remaining gang members are evidently cloned, or undergo surgery to look like their precursors, or wear hologrammatic camouflage, or something.

I know it's hard to believe, but just check out the sprues. I'm only seeing about 10 different faces per gang (sometimes fewer!). Huge surprise imo... can't believe such a pervasive story element was never revealed in the original background.

Also makes it REALLY difficult to convert models... where am I supposed to find a sculpt of the exact same face, only performing a slightly different expression? Sometimes I find myself wishing for the good old days.

I should say; have you actually read the background in the Delaque supplement that came with White Dwarf? Because if not…

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— Vala Mal Doran
 
   
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I wonder if they quietly buffed the cawdor autogun polearm in the new books. I thought the general consensus was that its not worth taking just use a normal autogun instead. I'm broke at the moment so I haven't ordered the new books but as soon as I can I will.

 
   
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 Thargrim wrote:
I wonder if they quietly buffed the cawdor autogun polearm in the new books. I thought the general consensus was that its not worth taking just use a normal autogun instead. I'm broke at the moment so I haven't ordered the new books but as soon as I can I will.

Basically, the Versatile trait is back to its origins, giving a 2” melee attack-without-engaging range so you can poke them with your stick then shoot them.
Edit: to be clear, this is my understanding based on rumour.

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— Vala Mal Doran
 
   
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Poke them inna eye! Then stab them inna knee! Then shoot them inna face! VICTORY!

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I'm really surprised we've not seen any pics of the Delaque booklet. Here's hoping we get a preview of the FW weapon upgrades for them imminently - I need a load more flechette weapons, and would much rather have alt. pose versions than use a bits seller for four of five more copies of the same one.
   
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Heard some rumours the Delaque rules in WD does not include pet and brute, so hardly a satisfying replacement for a 5th Gang War book.
   
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Ah, just seen a pic of the weapon list on spikeybits. Yup, flechette pistol will efinitely be my main choice. Such a shame they didn't make the shotgun special (i.e. with the muzzle concentrating fire to pack a greater punch in the first 4 inches, making it silent for x number of shots, providing flechette ammunition for it... anything would have done!), the long rifle a Heavy sniper with a high strength and cumbersome restrictions, or even a flechette rifle (instead of the standard autogun). Even just one of those would have been awesome.

Still good, as-is, but... :-/

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I don't get why flamers are so expensive in the new rules.

   
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Because the weapons in new necromunda are priced for zone mortalis (I think they assume most will play on there) this is where flamers are very strong, and weapons like plasma canons are not as strong, but once you swap board types the plasma canon becomes great for its cost while flamers become nearly useless. The only good flamers are hand ones (cause all you want is blaze+template the small strength difference doesn't mean much) or the cheap built in flamers on blunderbuss pole arms.
   
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Segmentum Solar

Anyone know if the separate set of tiles is still available? They seem to have disappeared from the GW website.
   
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Looks to be still available here

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Necromunda-Underhive-Badzone-Delta-7-2018

 
   
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Segmentum Solar


Cheers! Just gone on the Dutch site, then.

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Baxx wrote:
Heard some rumours the Delaque rules in WD does not include pet and brute, so hardly a satisfying replacement for a 5th Gang War book.


I don't think that was ever the intent, rather just a means for people to start playing Delaque and not have to fork over another $40 or however much Gang Wars is.
Plus it pushes white dwarf sales, and that's a good business move. Suppose they could have just printed them in the instructions, like they do for bloodbowl, but it wouldn't really be the same.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't get why flamers are so expensive in the new rules.


Because the rules for setting people on fire are Crazy powerful and debilitating.

 
   
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I think it's what was said above though: Because in the confines of Zone Mortalis, flamers can be especially lethal.

Unfortunately such an explanation seems incredibly short sighted, because it means you're paying a premium for a weapon that is no where near as useful in non-Zone Mortalis games.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that a flamer is a bad choice out of Zone Mortalis - Emperor knows that there was nary a Delaque gang I played that didn't include this fella - but there's a reason that mini had a Lasgun on his back, and artificially pricing the flamer (all flamer weapons really) at such a high cost just makes them into choices people will avoid.

   
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Cawdor weapons

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Cawdor-Weapons-Set1-2018
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Cawdor-Weapons-Set2
   
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3 hand flamers between the sets.

Son I am disappoint.

   
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Man, those flamers really look like they were cobbled together from plumbing.

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I gotta say, people will only buy the Cawdor pack because the weapon look cool, those weapons are pretty meh in game.
   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Man, those flamers really look like they were cobbled together from plumbing.


Love the fact that the igniters are just greasy candles! Nice touch
   
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I'll save those flamer designs in case of a zombie outbreak, that's for sure.

I'm still bummed that the weapon sets don't really give more poses for the gangers, though. The limited poses make unconverted gangs very same-y at the moment. It wouldn't be hard to make arms for "two 1h weapons" guy to turn him into "swinging 2h-weapon horizontally" guy and they should do that, IMO, because reposing is a lot harder for most people than sourcing cool weapon bits. Given the price of those sets it isn't too much to ask.

PS: Seeing how Delaque and Renegades both get psykers with distended crania at roughly the same time...innocent cross pollinated idea for psykers or a more sinister "coincedence"?
   
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Six of one, half dozen of the other

It's also quite possibly just easier on the CAD time? I dunno.


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Chopstick wrote:
I gotta say, people will only buy the Cawdor pack because the weapon look cool, those weapons are pretty meh in game.


House Cawdor. Who needs quality, when you've got quantity

You want the shiny toys, go play Van Saar

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Chopstick wrote:
I gotta say, people will only buy the Cawdor pack because the weapon look cool, those weapons are pretty meh in game.

But that's how I play everything! Rule of cool.
   
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Old news I guess, but can confirm the WD booklet doesn't have Delaque pets or brutes, so that's already content you can't access without re-re-re-buying all the other rules.

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I want to know if the new rulebook has the Badzone Delta tile rules.

 Binabik15 wrote:
PS: Seeing how Delaque and Renegades both get psykers with distended crania at roughly the same time...innocent cross pollinated idea for psykers or a more sinister "coincedence"?
Oh it's already been done. Someone posted one in one of the FB Necro groups. The Renegade Psyker head works perfectly.

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Skellefteå

Got the new books.
Lots of small good rules tweaks and clarifications.
Stimms are once per game, chem-synth doesn't require an action (but a passed Int check), bulging biceps allows you to use a unvieldy (two handed) weapon with ine hand but does not make unvieldy a single action, overseer is 6”, etc.

The layout is in places still black text on dark brown-grey background - which sucks for aging eyes in poor/atmospheric gaming light. This combined with *no index* makes it hard to look up rules when playing - even though the rules are organized way better now.

No index (how hard can it be?) means that if questions arise regarding if you become ”Engaged” if your charge is a bit short but you have a Versatile weapon (no, not as a free part of the charge move) or if you can use template pistols in CC (no, only pistols with the Sidearm trait - so FW resin hand flamer spam makes even less sense) or finding any sort of info regarding fighter status: Hidden becomes a lenghty flipping through the books :(

Also bought all the Delaque stuff - and made a few quick conversions:



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Looking at the photos, the middle one actually looks like an opera singer
   
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Why are they excluding random parts of the rules, like badzone delta tile special terrain features? So you still bring GW2? A total of 3 books plus cult pdfs and bounty hunter WD. And what about the campaign events from GW3, are those also forgotten? A total of 4 books then...
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I want to know if the new rulebook has the Badzone Delta tile rules.

 Binabik15 wrote:
PS: Seeing how Delaque and Renegades both get psykers with distended crania at roughly the same time...innocent cross pollinated idea for psykers or a more sinister "coincedence"?
Oh it's already been done. Someone posted one in one of the FB Necro groups. The Renegade Psyker head works perfectly.



No, I mean background-wise. Is there something rotten in the state of Delaque? Are those sinister looking guys maybe up to something...less than unheretical?

   
 
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