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I mean, I'm not usually one to worry about PC stuff, but that original sculpt is. . . problematic. There's no way I'd put that in my display case. Sure, I know what it is, but let's be real here: People who actually know what that model is are the VAST MINORITY vs those that would (not unfairly!) assume it's something vile.

If they'd never shown the original, I'm sure everyone would love this revised version and not really think twice about it.

Quasistellar wrote:
I mean, I'm not usually one to worry about PC stuff, but that original sculpt is. . . problematic. There's no way I'd put that in my display case. Sure, I know what it is, but let's be real here: People who actually know what that model is are the VAST MINORITY vs those that would (not unfairly!) assume it's something vile.

If they'd never shown the original, I'm sure everyone would love this revised version and not really think twice about it.

Yep, pretty much this.

Quasistellar wrote:
I mean, I'm not usually one to worry about PC stuff, but that original sculpt is. . . problematic. There's no way I'd put that in my display case. Sure, I know what it is, but let's be real here: People who actually know what that model is are the VAST MINORITY vs those that would (not unfairly!) assume it's something vile.

If they'd never shown the original, I'm sure everyone would love this revised version and not really think twice about it.

Then you aren’t at all familiar with what imagery is being drawn on for the design. It isn’t problematic at all. Only for people who like to presume to dictate to other people what is or is not problematic.

Dread Master wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
I mean, I'm not usually one to worry about PC stuff, but that original sculpt is. . . problematic. There's no way I'd put that in my display case. Sure, I know what it is, but let's be real here: People who actually know what that model is are the VAST MINORITY vs those that would (not unfairly!) assume it's something vile.

If they'd never shown the original, I'm sure everyone would love this revised version and not really think twice about it.

Then you aren’t at all familiar with what imagery is being drawn on for the design. It isn’t problematic at all. Only for people who like to presume to dictate to other people what is or is not problematic.

I mean the irony in these two sentences is pretty mad.

Personally i think it looks much better. The candles especially give it the over the top absurdist look that is Necromunda. The hood was daft and i have no doubt some moron(s) out there would have ended up painting it white with a little logo on the chest. So yeah, vast improvement.

Sucks to see them cave into political correctness. The new version doesn't look bad but I had no issue with the original. RIP redemptionists I guess....no way those will get released with the same concept that they used to have.

I don't know. Is like Frostgrave cultists or Bloodborne ones. The pointy hoods are used as a staple of "Crazy religious cultists" for a reason. At this point is less a KKK apology and just a pop culture reference.

 Galas wrote:
I don't know. Is like Frostgrave cultists or Bloodborne ones. The pointy hoods are used as a staple of "Crazy religious cultists" for a reason. At this point is less a KKK apology and just a pop culture reference.

And if it was just the hood, i would agree. But you've got the combination of the nooses as well, a combination that invokes a certain imagery. But anyway, this is the news and rumours thread and i'm bored of political chit chat. I'm out until new news appears.

The simple solution would have been to include both heads - dome and pointy - and leave it at that.

Still, assuming the head is separate and not moulded in there, there are always alternatives.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Sadly it absolutely will set a precedent, but we won't see the cost of it explicitly because they will now likely self-censor their ideas before reaching the final model stage, from our perspective they'll likely just further reduce the level of weird stuff and references to pop culture and history.

Say good bye to the Redemptionists...



Anyway, pics of new stuff:

Only 2 hand flamers?

What will we do! the horror! the horror!

Hmmm... where was the remade Cawdor executioner shown? The warhammerfest preview?

Besides the redesigned executioner, all the reveals are old. They were shown off months ago, along side the recently released Hired Guns. Which is great timing, since I was admiring the models the other day

Warhammer Fest hasn't happened yet.

This was some Forge World stream.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Only 2 hand flamers?

What will we do! the horror! the horror!

It's ok. There's a second weapon pack, and both come with Heavy Flamers.

'Cause the one thing we need more than 16 Hand Flamers is 195 credit heavy flamers.

 Gael Knight wrote:
Thank you FW for sacrificing your artistic integrity for a vocal minority. BRAVO.

Meh... I think the new version looks cooler, anyway. Whatever the motivation behind it, it just went from something that wasn't bad, to something I might actually buy.

The old hood reminded me of an old Warhammer fantasy Slaanesh champion more than KKK hood.

 Theophony wrote:
The old hood reminded me of an old Warhammer fantasy Slaanesh champion more than KKK hood.

Agree.
A few redemptionist (special weapons) also have this kind of hood.
It existed way before KKK anyway, I find this change useless,
on a model already goofy with all these candles.
Just my opinion.

Unfortunate (although understandable I guess) that FW changed the model. The new head is fine though. And I can't imagine it'd be too hard to resculpt a hood on top if you were so inclined. I do like the single noose instead of the 3. The extras cluttered the neck line a little too much.

Alright, enough about alleged IRL racism in a thread about playing wity toys in an imaginary world of ultra violence and mega oppression. Keep stirring the pot will earn the stirrers a mandatory vacation. Thanks!

 Manchu wrote:
Alright, enough about alleged IRL racism in a thread about playing wity toys in an imaginary world of ultra violence and mega oppression. Keep stirring the pot will earn the stirrers a mandatory vacation. Thanks!

Can we delete the posts then, because they just cry out to be responded to?

I edited mine. I don't know why I got drawn into it in the first place.

I'm here hoping the next release will either be new Gangs. Or even better, new starter set featuring 2 new gangs.

I still can't fathom why Delaque have a heavy flamer as their only heavy weapon.

"We are the sneaky gang! We sneak! Behold our sniper rifles!"

"What about him?" - points to Pyromaniac Dave, sitting giggling in the corner with his heavy flamer

"We... just leave him be, to be honest. Massive flamethrowers are quiet-ish..."

And not just that, but one in each conversion pack. Why would we ever need two? How could we ever afford two, given how absurdly overpriced flamer weapons are in Newcromunda.

They should have given them at least a multi-melta.

I want my damned Heavy Stubber and Lascannon back.

*pouts*

A shame about the self-censored model, I preferred the hooded version.

I've found a lot of the weapons packs to be pretty random.

I'm still bemused by how few lasguns there have been in all the packs, given there's obviously people who would like to use the Necromunda gangs as Guard for 40k.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And not just that, but one in each conversion pack. Why would we ever need two? How could we ever afford two, given how absurdly overpriced flamer weapons are in Newcromunda.

Especially when you factor than you have to get a suspensor to have a flamer with +1S and -1AP that take two slots of equipment for 115 credits more (195 + 60 - 140)

Flamer(s) are overpriced, but Heavy Flamer is on another level of stupid costs

Chopstick wrote:
I'm here hoping the next release will either be new Gangs. Or even better, new starter set featuring 2 new gangs.

Plastic Juve & Champion kits for existing gangs and Guilder gangs are what they've mentioned.

beast_gts wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
I'm here hoping the next release will either be new Gangs. Or even better, new starter set featuring 2 new gangs.

Plastic Juve & Champion kits for existing gangs and Guilder gangs are what they've mentioned.

Hmmmm. So no news about enforcers? Or would they fall under the guilder gangs? Did like some of the guilder concept art.

The Necromunda seminar isn't 'til Sunday, right?