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Everything looks good but I don't understand the walls.

In Zone Mortalis, the walls were floor to ceiling. There's no scrambling over them or walking on them. Sure, they had some detailing on the top, but the idea was that you were in space-ship/star-fort/space-hulk corridors.

These have the same general structure, but they are included in with other terrain that occupies more than one level. Does Necromunda have a lot of sturdy, barricade-like walls that go up 10' and stop? What are these walls for?

I like 3d Necromunda, with all the scrambling about that entails. I like Zone Mortalis/Underhive Necromunda, with the maze-like feel and restricted lines of sight and fire. But I don't see how the bulkhead walls and the elevated gantries work together. Is it the Necromunda equivalent of a corn maze?

 Sabotage! wrote:
You know, this will probably be the same price as the Warcry boxed set. This has about the same number of miniatures (I think 29 for Warcry, 26 for this), about the same amount of terrain, and rules. If that's the case I will definitely pick this up.

Or they could try the new Blood of the Phoenix price of over $200 USD.
Necromunda 18 was big old jam over that I was stupid enough to buy because the local group all bought in (and nobody would touch N17 even though a few of us bought it).

 privateer4hire wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
You know, this will probably be the same price as the Warcry boxed set. This has about the same number of miniatures (I think 29 for Warcry, 26 for this), about the same amount of terrain, and rules. If that's the case I will definitely pick this up.

Or they could try the new Blood of the Phoenix price of over $200 USD.
Necromunda 18 was big old jam over that I was stupid enough to buy because the local group all bought in (and nobody would touch N17 even though a few of us bought it).

Stupid? Nah? Early supporter so this game can last till this day? yes

 privateer4hire wrote:
Or they could try the new Blood of the Phoenix price of over $200 USD.

They could - and they might - but I don't think they will break the $200 threshold. My reasoning:

- Starter sets are priced cheaper to get people in and buying product. Necromunda hasn't exactly set the world on fire. It's been successful enough, but not to the point where they can turn away potential new players with a high price tag. How else will they sell 8 ForgeWorld heads for $25? There's also new gang cards, card sleeves, dice, books, and whatever to make up the difference.

- November is also when Sisters of Battle (which I'm sure will be over $300), Ossiarchs, and Xmas bundles come out - all expensive stuff, and I think people will prioritize the game systems they already play (40k/AoS) over jumping into Necromunda. GW is cannibalizing their own sales at this point, and having $7,000 worth of product released in one month means people are probably going to be making some choices that aren't Necromunda. I think the people only interested in the box for the terrain will probably wait for the terrain to be released separately.

- They've announced it ahead of time. This means there is an opportunity for the hype to die down just long enough for people to remember that they've got Black Friday coming up and have to buy Christmas presents for everybody they know. GW isn't just competing with themselves, they are also competing with every online sale and every family member's Xmas list.

- The $200 threshold is a strong psychological limit that I don't think even GW is immune to. The fact that the next two army box after Phoenix wasn't also $230 says to me that they reconsidered - though $195 is still an exploitative price that's too fething high for what is on offer.

Premise 1: It's a starter set with 2 forces and a lot of terrain.
Premise 2: GW raises prices with each new release.
Premise 3: The Warcry starter set costs AUD$280.

Conclusion: The new Necromunda starter set will cost more than AUD$300.

You could very well be right. If it's less than $200 I'm betting it's cardstock flooring, then.

I think $200 plus is going to be the GW norm for some of the newer stuff. There was hardly a blip about it. People just say "plastic aspect warriors! Ouch that's pricey. Heh, heh. Oh well, whaddya gonna do?" and pull out their wallets.

 privateer4hire wrote:
I think $200 plus is going to be the GW norm for some of the newer stuff.

Not for me.

there is a list of products circulating on whatsapp.

In theory, the pre-order will be on November 15, and the box will cost 275 dollars.

of course a lot of salt

 Sqorgar wrote:

- November is also when Sisters of Battle (which I'm sure will be over $300),

nope. that price already got leaked out and not even close to that. Dark imperium level

zamerion wrote:
there is a list of products circulating on whatsapp.

In theory, the pre-order will be on November 15, and the box will cost 275 dollars.

of course a lot of salt

Sound about right, with 275$ I'll use 84 to buy the 2 gangs, and save the rest for something else.

The preview exibit in Essen:

Da Butcha wrote:
Everything looks good but I don't understand the walls.

In Zone Mortalis, the walls were floor to ceiling. There's no scrambling over them or walking on them. Sure, they had some detailing on the top, but the idea was that you were in space-ship/star-fort/space-hulk corridors.

These have the same general structure, but they are included in with other terrain that occupies more than one level. Does Necromunda have a lot of sturdy, barricade-like walls that go up 10' and stop? What are these walls for?

I like 3d Necromunda, with all the scrambling about that entails. I like Zone Mortalis/Underhive Necromunda, with the maze-like feel and restricted lines of sight and fire. But I don't see how the bulkhead walls and the elevated gantries work together. Is it the Necromunda equivalent of a corn maze?

They're like pretty much all Imperial structures - modular and prefab. When they get stacked up the implication is that there is a second level and the rest of it just remains invisible like the ceilings usually are, or else instead of the usual ceiling what you can't see is a sloping roof for a multi-level atrium etc.

zamerion wrote:
there is a list of products circulating on whatsapp.

In theory, the pre-order will be on November 15, and the box will cost 275 dollars.

of course a lot of salt

US dollars? So about £160 in sterling.. hmmm tricky - I love the terrain but not fussed on the gangs/game plus the possible Nid Christmas box...

Closest I can find to $275 on the US site is the Temple Nest Daughters of Khaine "bundle".

That's AUD$411.

If this new box is around that price... G-zuhs...

Oh, and from other pictures, and this'll probably interest Baxx:



(Apologies if the pic didn't work)

If I had to guess, this new box contains a basic set of rules and the basic rules to create an Enforcer/Choppy Dude gang, and that's about it, whereas this book just adds onto the existing rules with the full campaign rules for these new guys + a bunch of other odds and ends (likely the new Zone Mortalis rules).

[EDIT]: Wait, here's a description:

“The Book of Ruin brings the full ferocity of the cults of Necromunda to bear against the planet’s beleaguered defenders. Form a Genestealer Cults, Helot Chaos Cults or Corpse Grinder Cult gang, or even corrupt your existing house gang!”

I'd really hope that the new terrain has rules in there, but it seems that we're getting a published Genestealer Cult list. Maybe they'll fix the Champions so they don't suck balls.

Uploading the pic, since it didn't work for me.

The price will be immense.


And now I'm hearing rumblings that the Book of Ruin has a new campaign system, which is just what Necromunda needs given it already has 3 campaign systems.

If we get a new campaign but don't get fixed GSC Champs and rules for the new terrain, GW might as well give up on Necromunda before the community changes its name from N17/18/19 to N76.

Am I the only one seeing the Donnie Darko rabbit in that cover?

 Elbows wrote:
Am I the only one seeing the Donnie Darko rabbit in that cover?

Spoiler:

Didn't before. Sure do now.

All around me unfamiliar faces,
Blood-stained places
Blood-stained faceeees
Grim and weary from their daily chases
"Finding" corpses
Grinding corpseeees

zamerion wrote:
there is a list of products circulating on whatsapp.

In theory, the pre-order will be on November 15, and the box will cost 275 dollars.

of course a lot of salt

$275 USD? A week before Black Friday? That's grotesque.

I've always been a LEGO fan. Me and tiny plastic guys have a long history, and for probably more than 35 years, I bought hundreds and hundreds of LEGO sets. About 5 or 6 years ago, I went to LEGO Land. Had a wonderful time, and hyped up by my experience, I ended up buy a $400 death star set and two $150 modulars. $700 on three LEGO sets. And that sort of broke me. I realized that if I could justify buying a $400 LEGO set, then I'd find some way to justify a $500 set, or a $600 set. And the most recent modular released was the Town Hall set at $300. And I was like, I can't keep doing this. I can't commit to multiple releases a year at that sort of cost. Once, on a special occasion maybe, I could justify it - but do you know how easy it is to consider every occasion special?

So, I gave up LEGO. Completely. I realized that there was no half measures in this. As a LEGO addict, either I spent too much on LEGO or I spent nothing, and it had to be nothing. I haven't bought a LEGO set since. I will not buy another LEGO set ever again. Done with fish.

And I was hoping that I wouldn't have to do that with Games Workshop. I've been trying to make all sorts of bargains in my head like, "I'll just stick to Warcry and Necromunda", "I won't buy anything without waiting 2 weeks first", "I won't buy any more ravaged lands or expensive terrain packs", and so on. And seeing this pack might be $275, my instant thought was "I have enough terrain. I'll skip this bundle and just get the book and figures individually". And it kind of pisses me off that my first thought was "how can I make this work?" and not "hell no!".

I can already tell that the bargaining won't stop. It'll just keep going. I'll just get this one because it is a special occasion. I'll just pay this much this one time and never again. At least this set won't sit in a box for a year, unlike Looncurse and last year's Xmas bundles. I'll make up the difference by not getting the Sisters of Battle. And so on. The bargaining just makes me feel better about my purchases - it doesn't actually do anything to curb them. There's always some justification I'll come up with, some way to convince myself that this time is different.

So, I think that maybe it is time that I realize that, like with LEGO, I am an addict. There are no half measures with addiction. You can't just be an addict some of the time. And giving in every once in a while isn't moderation, it's a relapse. With stuff like free to play games and microtransactions, you can recognize that you are in a toxic situation because your addiction doesn't bring you joy. It's harder to tell when your addiction does bring you joy, but just asks increasingly too much of you. I can tell already that if I end up paying $275 for this bundle or anything else, it will be the last thing I ever buy from GW.

I realize that being a disgruntled ex-Games Workshop player is almost a right of passage in this hobby, and GW has plenty more suckers who will pay $275 for a box, so nobody really cares (least of all, GW). But they say nobody is harder on smokers than ex-smokers. I'm inches away from being the vegan picketing the slaughterhouse here, and I just want you guys to know that I don't want to do it - I have to.

From what's being said now, it looks like the prices are from Mexico or Bolivia--Zamerion commented that there's a significant difference in price.

zamerion wrote:
there is a list of products circulating on whatsapp.

In theory, the pre-order will be on November 15, and the box will cost 275 dollars.

of course a lot of salt

Well November the 15th is a Friday so that's more than a little unlikely.

So in conclusion, as of right now:

WE'RE REALLY NOT SURE HOW MUCH IT COSTS.

That being said, boooo GW etc, etc.

The terrain honestly looks excellent based on those images in the cabinet. I've never been this excited about terrain before.

 ekwatts wrote:
So in conclusion, as of right now:

WE'RE REALLY NOT SURE HOW MUCH IT COSTS.

That being said, boooo GW etc, etc.

GW could sell it for a fiver and some in the "community" would find something to moan about, the plastic is too grey or not grey enough, or the art work is too cartooney to take seriously blah blah etc

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Oh, and from other pictures, and this'll probably interest Baxx:

Oh yes! Chaos version 4, Genestealer Cult version 3. And a brand new cult, the Corpse Grinder Cult (version 1). Hopefully Chaos and Genestealer are final this time, so we can avoid getting 3-4 versions every 1-2 years. The general impression is, they have some new ideas and mix it with already existing rules (from White Dwarf & pdfs) to get a full book's worth of content.

As usual, expect silly mistakes, broken rules and contradictions. These sort of things have never been playt ested nor proof read. There will be a new campaign where resources (territories, rackets or whatever they end up calling it) can become ruined, giving less bonuses/income. These territories will also be released as new cards (which pressumably will be sold out on day 1 of pre-order?). And the new cult will surely have additional tactics cards too (also sold out on day 1?). The 359 cards we got already was never enough!

Chikout wrote:

zamerion wrote:
there is a list of products circulating on whatsapp.

In theory, the pre-order will be on November 15, and the box will cost 275 dollars.

of course a lot of salt

Well November the 15th is a Friday so that's more than a little unlikely.

We must not be so concrete. Refers to that weekend.


But the date was only based on the weekend following the red gobbo.

I repeat that they are all rumors.

Really like the enforcers, keen to see them on a table all done and snazzy painted.

But the corpsegrinder cult is a bit goofy. They look to uniform, and don’t like how they are so much close combat on big buff body’s.
Seen it before and done better.

But even in the setting with loads of gang violence and a kinda crappy life for a lot of people, why choose them. Seems like they do not ad much.
See a bunch of potential for all the gods, but this ain’t it.

If khorne, would have prefer lanky maybe even starving people, that have sorta lost to much to even be with others in the city. Rough bands who stick together with a rough religion of violence.
But I feel the other gods cults would have ad way more to the setting.
Plague, pushed out of home. Join us where we still love and appreciate you.
Cult of crazy librarians, and spy’s.
Prostitution lords and lady’s, pushing there power out, necromunda Vegas!

Buff khorne dudes with axes. And a surprisingly good forge for crazy dudes.

https://twitter.com/WargamingDave

This guy has a leaked pricing list that shows the new set as $290 (I would guess USD, based on the price of the accompanying book).

It's a bit of a steep price.

we need to know what country these prices are for.

South america is more expensive.

Seeing dices are 15 usd seems likely