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 Albertorius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wait, so, GW goes and makes Zone Moratlis walls, and they don't actually fit the cardboard tiles they made?

...wat

Well, there goes all my remaining interest, right there.

Oh the price didn’t do that for you by itself???

Dread Master wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wait, so, GW goes and makes Zone Moratlis walls, and they don't actually fit the cardboard tiles they made?

...wat

Well, there goes all my remaining interest, right there.

Oh the price didn’t do that for you by itself???

I was still interested in the idea of these (as in, as an addition to the already existing tiles). As that idea is actually not realised, well... There's just no point.

 Alpharius wrote:
There are?

Please share links - thanks!

https://www.reddit.com/r/necromunda/comments/ab5tvw/zone_mortalis_scenery_options/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body

I don't know all of them off hand, but this discussion seems to cover a lot of them. I only have experience with the Death Ray Design ones. They look great when painted up, but they are MDF so painting them isn't fun. Also they take pretty much forever to assemble a set.

 Alpharius wrote:
There are?

Please share links - thanks!

something like those:
https://www.gamemat.eu/en/terrain/pre-painted-resin-terrain/hive-walls.html
http://blotz.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=23_29_228
https://www.etsy.com/listing/644894958/printerrain-gamma-zone-modular-wall-set

or if you are into paper modelling
http://www.genetmodels.com/ebbles-miniatures-2003-2004-models/

 Thargrim wrote:
The only reason I was considering the walls was to use them with my badzone tiles. Terrible design decision by them if that is the case. Wonder what the logic behind that is, cause it sure ain't gonna help with sales.

At the risk of coming across like a fanboy, I wonder if it's because they scaled the new plastics to fit alongside the existing sector mechanicus and sector imperialis and it doesn't quite fit with the layout of the older tiles?

 Thargrim wrote:
The only reason I was considering the walls was to use them with my badzone tiles. Terrible design decision by them if that is the case. Wonder what the logic behind that is, cause it sure ain't gonna help with sales.

They don't (or soon won't) sell those tiles any more. They want you to buy their high-price 1x1 plastic tiles.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
The only reason I was considering the walls was to use them with my badzone tiles. Terrible design decision by them if that is the case. Wonder what the logic behind that is, cause it sure ain't gonna help with sales.

At the risk of coming across like a fanboy, I wonder if it's because they scaled the new plastics to fit alongside the existing sector mechanicus and sector imperialis and it doesn't quite fit with the layout of the older tiles?

Yes, the Zone Mortalis stuff has obviously been sized to fit with the existing range of scenery kits, which makes a lot more sense than scaling them to fit the old cardboard tiles.

Tavis75 wrote:
Yes, the Zone Mortalis stuff has obviously been sized to fit with the existing range of scenery kits, which makes a lot more sense than scaling them to fit the old cardboard tiles.

I fail to see why you couldn't do both? The most important thing about Sector Mechanicus is the height. Each level needs to be 5" or 2.5" to fit with everything else. None of that determines the width or length of the pieces though, which could have easily been made to fit the dark spots on the tiles.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
The only reason I was considering the walls was to use them with my badzone tiles. Terrible design decision by them if that is the case. Wonder what the logic behind that is, cause it sure ain't gonna help with sales.

At the risk of coming across like a fanboy, I wonder if it's because they scaled the new plastics to fit alongside the existing sector mechanicus and sector imperialis and it doesn't quite fit with the layout of the older tiles?

That would explain height. Noth fitting the existing tiles, not so much.

 Albertorius wrote:
That would explain height. Noth fitting the existing tiles, not so much.

It'd explain the widths as well. It looks like they have designed the current modern range of scenery kits in way that has them sized to certain lengths and heights so they can all be used together. I'm not near my bits now, but I'd bet that, for example, one of the plasma conduit pipes doesn't exactly scale properly with the walls on the cardboard tiles. But they do line up to exactly the same lengths as a walkway, wall width, building height, etc. Have a look at some of Ray Dranfields older tweets to see how fixed widths and lengths allow the kits to be mixed and matched: https://twitter.com/RayDranfield

I think it's less a problem with the new kits and more a problem with whomever specc'd the cardboard tiles as they did so in a way that doesn't have them match the current range plastic pieces.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
That would explain height. Noth fitting the existing tiles, not so much.

It'd explain the widths as well. It looks like they have designed the current modern range of scenery kits in way that has them sized to certain lengths and heights so they can all be used together. I'm not near my bits now, but I'd bet that, for example, one of the plasma conduit pipes doesn't exactly scale properly with the walls on the cardboard tiles. But they do line up to exactly the same lengths as a walkway, wall width, building height, etc. Have a look at some of Ray Dranfields older tweets to see how fixed widths and lengths allow the kits to be mixed and matched: https://twitter.com/RayDranfield

I think it's less a problem with the new kits and more a problem with whomever specc'd the cardboard tiles as they did so in a way that doesn't have them match the current range plastic pieces.

Thing is, they could have gone another way for that. They could have included enlarged connector for the conduicts (instead of the shallow ones they have), for example, while keeping the wall compatible with the already released tiles. They have just chosen not to do that.

 Albertorius wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
That would explain height. Noth fitting the existing tiles, not so much.

It'd explain the widths as well. It looks like they have designed the current modern range of scenery kits in way that has them sized to certain lengths and heights so they can all be used together. I'm not near my bits now, but I'd bet that, for example, one of the plasma conduit pipes doesn't exactly scale properly with the walls on the cardboard tiles. But they do line up to exactly the same lengths as a walkway, wall width, building height, etc. Have a look at some of Ray Dranfields older tweets to see how fixed widths and lengths allow the kits to be mixed and matched: https://twitter.com/RayDranfield

I think it's less a problem with the new kits and more a problem with whomever specc'd the cardboard tiles as they did so in a way that doesn't have them match the current range plastic pieces.

Thing is, they could have gone another way for that. They could have included enlarged connector for the conduicts (instead of the shallow ones they have), for example, while keeping the wall compatible with the already released tiles. They have just chosen not to do that.

Not just for the conduits- also the Sector Mechanicus gantry segments, and the Sector Imperialis floors and walls. It is a much bigger propostion to create adaptors to make it (poorly) compatible with the Sector terrain AND the tiles, than just the Sector terrain (but effectively).

I can see why this is frustrating for those with the tiles, and they could've planned this 2+ years ago maybe when designing those tiles, but it makes much more sense for GW to maintain ideal compatibility between the plastic kits than between the new plastic and the card tiles from one game system. This is doubly true when considering the plastic tiles.

Can someone explain how the walls don't fit the cardboard tiles? Both the cardboard and the plastic tiles are a 2" grid.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Can someone explain how the walls don't fit the cardboard tiles? Both the cardboard and the plastic tiles are a 2" grid.

I guess they're much thicker and take up more space than the blacked out on the tiles.


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 Haighus wrote:
I can see why this is frustrating for those with the tiles, and they could've planned this 2+ years ago maybe when designing those tiles, but it makes much more sense for GW to maintain ideal compatibility between the plastic kits than between the new plastic and the card tiles from one game system. This is doubly true when considering the plastic tiles.

It is frustrating because every damn time they seem to go out of their way to feth with their clients. The Mechanicus scenery was already released! It's not like they didn't already know. And the time to release plastic stuff is loooong, so it's not like they weren't probably already preparing these when they released the tiles, either.

So yeah, this is planned obsolescence.

What is this fuss about? Some cardboard? People use cardboard tiles?

 Albertorius wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Can someone explain how the walls don't fit the cardboard tiles? Both the cardboard and the plastic tiles are a 2" grid.

I guess they're much thicker and take up more space than the blacked out on the tiles.


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 Haighus wrote:
I can see why this is frustrating for those with the tiles, and they could've planned this 2+ years ago maybe when designing those tiles, but it makes much more sense for GW to maintain ideal compatibility between the plastic kits than between the new plastic and the card tiles from one game system. This is doubly true when considering the plastic tiles.

It is frustrating because every damn time they seem to go out of their way to feth with their clients. The Mechanicus scenery was already released! It's not like they didn't already know. And the time to release plastic stuff is loooong, so it's not like they weren't probably already preparing these when they released the tiles, either.

So yeah, this is planned obsolescence.

Eh, the first cardboard tiles came out over 2 years ago, and would've been designed at the very least 3 months before that probably longer.

That is enough time for the entire plastic Zone Mortalis terrain to be concepted, approved, designed, and put into production- the sprues are dated 2019. This is especially true considering their basic concept is already fully formed in the FW Zone Mortalis tiles. It is a stretch to assume those tiles were made with the knowledge that plastic terrain would eventually be made that deliberately wouldn't fit them.

If anything, I think it is more likely that the success of the terrain compatibility experiment with the Sector kits in the last few years has been a bigger factor in the devlopement of sector-compatible Zone Mortalis terrain than the Zone Mortalis Necromunda tiles.

 Crimson wrote:
What is this fuss about? Some cardboard? People use cardboard tiles?

People mean the cardboard Zone Mortalis board that was included with the last Necromunda starter. It included plastic doors, but the walls were just drawn on the card base.

 Crimson wrote:
What is this fuss about? Some cardboard? People use cardboard tiles?

Yes?



Official GW cardboard, even!

I remember there was a difference between the resin and plastic doors and something about the tiles back then. So this is not new I think.

I would like to see comparison pics of the resin ZM pieces, papercard tiles, N17 plastic doors and the new plastic scenery range. Until then why not calm down and dial back the rage about something that may or may not be a problem?

I will continue using the cardboard tiles with or without GW's new ZM pieces. They are good for what they were designed for. Also perfect for easy transportation to other places.

@HBMC The removal of the cardboard tiles and Underhive in general has been confirmed by?


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All the fuss because of a milimeter?

I cant see the left side.

These are the new plastics? All of them?

Everyone complaining that the terrain should have been spec'ed to fit the cardboard tiles, but really the cardboard tiles should have been created as 1' tiles. Them being 9ish inches is the real issue, as it never synced up with the existing ZM stuff to begin with.

I've seen GW harping about the number of terrain sprues in this box, but is it enough terrain to cover a 3x3 square?

 godswildcard wrote:
I've seen GW harping about the number of terrain sprues in this box, but is it enough terrain to cover a 3x3 square?

From what we've seen? Not even close.

If you want the density of the old ZM boards, its about enough for a 2x2 board.

 godswildcard wrote:
I've seen GW harping about the number of terrain sprues in this box, but is it enough terrain to cover a 3x3 square?

You would need the equivalent of 3-4 boxes to get "satisfying" amount of terrain. The new box is just a (very expensive) appetizer.

Geez. At these prices and needing that much, yeah, I’ll just make a board using MDF. The price increase from MDF to (GW) plastic is just not worth it.

If I’m feeling extra deluxe, I’ll find some of that mantic plastic scenery around Black Friday and still be out a lot less money.

Compared to the fw zm tiles, these are designed for verticality, rather than level corridors.

Baxx wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
I've seen GW harping about the number of terrain sprues in this box, but is it enough terrain to cover a 3x3 square?

You would need the equivalent of 3-4 boxes to get "satisfying" amount of terrain. The new box is just a (very expensive) appetizer.

At the price of four boxes, you could easily afford to buy a decent 3D printer and enough material to make the terrain yourself.

 Asmodai wrote:

Baxx wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
I've seen GW harping about the number of terrain sprues in this box, but is it enough terrain to cover a 3x3 square?

You would need the equivalent of 3-4 boxes to get "satisfying" amount of terrain. The new box is just a (very expensive) appetizer.

At the price of four boxes, you could easily afford to buy a decent 3D printer and enough material to make the terrain yourself.

...at the price of four boxes, you could buy four printers and printing material, at the current costs.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:

Baxx wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
I've seen GW harping about the number of terrain sprues in this box, but is it enough terrain to cover a 3x3 square?

You would need the equivalent of 3-4 boxes to get "satisfying" amount of terrain. The new box is just a (very expensive) appetizer.

At the price of four boxes, you could easily afford to buy a decent 3D printer and enough material to make the terrain yourself.

...at the price of four boxes, you could buy four printers and printing material, at the current costs.

Yep, you could get THREE Ender 3s for the price of two Uprising boxes...or two Anycubic Photons! (U.S. MSRP)

Granted, you'd only be printing the terrain, and the terrain wont be identical (close, though!), nor would you get the minis, cards, or the campaign, etc...It IS hard to justify at this price, and even though I've already got an Ender 3 and a Photon, and have printed a few pieces of the ZM terrain on Thingiverse, I'm still grabbing one box of Dark Uprising...but I am a Necromunda superfan..have been since I got the first one in 1995...I also haven't gotten around to picking up the Enforcers box yet, OR the Plasma pipes...The fact that the full campaign rules are locked in this box and all of these other factors BARELY convinced me to cave and get one.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
What is this fuss about? Some cardboard? People use cardboard tiles?

Yes?



Official GW cardboard, even!

Those are some nice looking walls, who is the manufacturer if you don't mind? Are they MDF?