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 Sabotage! wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
What is this fuss about? Some cardboard? People use cardboard tiles?

Yes?



Official GW cardboard, even!

Those are some nice looking walls, who is the manufacturer if you don't mind? Are they MDF?

I cant tell you who makes them, but I CAN tell you they are definitely 3D printed on an FDM printer.

 Sabotage! wrote:
Those are some nice looking walls, who is the manufacturer if you don't mind? Are they MDF?

Oh, the manufacturer is me . Those are 3d printed.

Does anyone have photos of the new plastic ZM walls on the Underhive cardboard tiles? How bad it it?


I was also hoping to use them for Underhive games with those card tiles.

Fortunately, a single DU uprising box is sufficient for my Kill Team terrain needs (22”x30” board). And it is even affordable (in the USA) when I split it with others who are paying for the gangs and the rules.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
Those are some nice looking walls, who is the manufacturer if you don't mind? Are they MDF?

Oh, the manufacturer is me . Those are 3d printed.

Dang! Those look fantastic (and much better than MDF in my opinion) great work! I think I may have to invest in a 3D printer after the holidays.

 Albertorius wrote:

So yeah, this is planned obsolescence.

Agreed, much about Necromunda these days is planned obsolescence. Old tiles incompatible with new walls is discouraging. I do like the new plastic tiles, but they have a few crucial weaknesses:
-More difficult to transport
-Very expensive for 4x4
-Monopose (if you can say that about a flat terrain surface)
-Terrain features must be converted (industrial fan, sludge, meat grinder, fuel tank ++). Could be difficult to make converted stuff "land" well on the plastic surface because of the small details there?
-Difficult/impossible to make pitfalls on plastic tiles?

But not surprising.

 Sabotage! wrote:
Well, I decided I wasn't going to pick up the box because of the cost, but did want to start with Necromunda with these gangs.

I found a copy of Underhive on Ebay for 80 USD with free shipping.
Found a couple preorders from the UK for the Enforcers, The Dark Uprising Rulebook and Token Sheet for a combined 80 USD.

Now I'm just waiting for someone to parse up a box on EBAY in the US and put the Corpse Grinders up. It looks like I will end up spending about 200 instead of 290, and while I won't get the terrain (which is fine because I like the tiles and how easy they are to transport), I will have two more gangs ready to play If I decide to pick up the Gangs of the Underhive book.

Don't count on a legit UK business shipping to the USA. By GW policy they won't and will cancel your preorder and leave you high and dry at the last minute. Been there done that.

angel of death 007 wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
Well, I decided I wasn't going to pick up the box because of the cost, but did want to start with Necromunda with these gangs.

I found a copy of Underhive on Ebay for 80 USD with free shipping.
Found a couple preorders from the UK for the Enforcers, The Dark Uprising Rulebook and Token Sheet for a combined 80 USD.

Now I'm just waiting for someone to parse up a box on EBAY in the US and put the Corpse Grinders up. It looks like I will end up spending about 200 instead of 290, and while I won't get the terrain (which is fine because I like the tiles and how easy they are to transport), I will have two more gangs ready to play If I decide to pick up the Gangs of the Underhive book.

Don't count on a legit UK business shipping to the USA. By GW policy they won't and will cancel your preorder and leave you high and dry at the last minute. Been there done that.

I've never had any issues with it. I've ordered bits and split up kits from the UK dozens of times. I actually don't think it's against GW policy to sell items that don't have an MSRP (or in other words are not a boxed product/book). GW regional pricing doesn't apply to products that don't have any value assigned to them. Were you ordering GW products with an MSRP?

 Sabotage! wrote:
I've never had any issues with it. I've ordered bits and split up kits from the UK dozens of times. I actually don't think it's against GW policy to sell items that don't have an MSRP (or in other words are not a boxed product/book). GW regional pricing doesn't apply to products that don't have any value assigned to them. Were you ordering GW products with an MSRP?

Bits and split up kits aren't something GW can realistically do anything about.

But it's not like I can just shove a bunch of GW stuff into an order from Wayland or Miniature Market and expect them to actually ship it to me.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But it's not like I can just shove a bunch of GW stuff into an order from Wayland or Miniature Market and expect them to actually ship it to me.

...I'm not sure I'm parsing this correctly. You can't? Why not? I mean, I've done it regularly...

It is a little bit silly that the new hive scum "Abomination of Badzone 12" can't do anything after being Pinned. Its rules are heavily influenced by the spawn, limiting it's actions to Move, Charge, Fight and Coup de Grace actions only. However, they omitted any rule preventing it from being Pinned.

Best way to stand up must be to have an enemy fighter gain Insanity, then run it into B2B with the Abomination...

 Albertorius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But it's not like I can just shove a bunch of GW stuff into an order from Wayland or Miniature Market and expect them to actually ship it to me.

...I'm not sure I'm parsing this correctly. You can't? Why not? I mean, I've done it regularly...

You are in EU. H.B.M.C is showing non-european flag so if that's correct he's living, well outside EU. GW forbids EU resalers selling outside EU(no taking advantage of cheap pound). They can't ban them selling within EU at least until brexit happens but outside EU yes they can. So you can order from wayland, I can order from wayland, outside EU however he can't. (well he could use reshipper. Order from wayland to his virtual address in UK which then gets shipped to him. But that adds up expenses above the shipping fees)

That or it's hyperbole how wayland supposedly never delivers orders. Some of those claims around. But I'll give benefit of doubt and assume it's the country specific issue since that is totally valid reason and his flag supports that idea.

 Albertorius wrote:
...I'm not sure I'm parsing this correctly. You can't? Why not? I mean, I've done it regularly...

I don't know how it works in Europe, but I'm pretty sure that if they sent the items to me they'd be in breach of their trade terms.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
...I'm not sure I'm parsing this correctly. You can't? Why not? I mean, I've done it regularly...

I don't know how it works in Europe, but I'm pretty sure that if they sent the items to me they'd be in breach of their trade terms.

Oh, ok. What's the problem with Miniature Market, then? That's from the US, and the only issue I personally have is that it would cost me a kidney and an eye in shipping costs to buy from them.

Same trade terms. Can't send GW stuff internationally.

And there's nothing wrong with Miniature Market. I've ordered stuff from them plenty of times, just not GW stuff.

 Albertorius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
...I'm not sure I'm parsing this correctly. You can't? Why not? I mean, I've done it regularly...

I don't know how it works in Europe, but I'm pretty sure that if they sent the items to me they'd be in breach of their trade terms.

Oh, ok. What's the problem with Miniature Market, then? That's from the US, and the only issue I personally have is that it would cost me a kidney and an eye in shipping costs to buy from them.

Due to distribution restrictions we are only able to ship this product to the United States, Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands.

This one(found on GW products. It's specifically GW thing)

Huh. I wonder if that's actually legal...

You would think somebody would have said if it wasn't...It's been like this for years.

It's not legal to restrict like that for EU stores inside EU. That's why you can buy from UK to spain. That's EU rules and as UK is ATM EU member they have to stick with it. Now if UK does leave EU then that law stops applying so in that case in theory GW could apply similar restriction to EU countries. Whether they do is another thing of course.

From someone on Facebook showing off photos as they put together the new Zone Mortalis stuff:

The Pillars match nicely with the old ZM tiles, but with the walls on, they become too wide for the old tiles. There´s a 4mm difference between the old and new tiles.

 Albertorius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But it's not like I can just shove a bunch of GW stuff into an order from Wayland or Miniature Market and expect them to actually ship it to me.

...I'm not sure I'm parsing this correctly. You can't? Why not? I mean, I've done it regularly...

 Albertorius wrote:
Huh. I wonder if that's actually legal...

You're from Spain, I take? It's against EU law to forbid retailers selling to other member countries if you do, and seeing GW shop most definitely qualifies for it, they had to allow other UK (and EU) retailers doing the same. EU bans a lot of anti-competitive and price manipulation gak producers try to force on retailers, pity so few people know about it. Especially in UK where for the last 40 years about the only information on EU in media was bs on straight bananas and kippers forced by that scumbag Murdoch.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
From someone on Facebook showing off photos as they put together the new Zone Mortalis stuff:

The Pillars match nicely with the old ZM tiles, but with the walls on, they become too wide for the old tiles. There´s a 4mm difference between the old and new tiles.

Linky?

 Yodhrin wrote:
Linky?

Closed group so this may not work.

He also posted a follow-up video.

It shows very clearly that the pillars are fine, but the walls are very long, forcing the pillars to spill into the regular squares. Quite annoying.

The Underhive tiles are not 1'x1' like the ZM tiles. They are something like 11.5"x11.5". The problem isn't that the ZM terrain doesn't fit the tiles, but that the tiles are ever so slightly shrunk down to fit in a standard GW big box.

Literally every company in the world does regional pricing and any who can get away with it does regional locks. EU members cannot buy Magic cards from the US, where they are significantly cheaper, for example. Heck, even purely digital content that has no distribution costs is priced different for different regions.

Ok, and?

Hm, back in the day I bought MtG cards and D&D books from US stores, though, and I had no problems whatsoever in either ordering or getting them.

Or well, rather, not any more problems than usual for US shipments.

 Sqorgar wrote:
The Underhive tiles are not 1'x1' like the ZM tiles. They are something like 11.5"x11.5". The problem isn't that the ZM terrain doesn't fit the tiles, but that the tiles are ever so slightly shrunk down to fit in a standard GW big box.

Yes, and still equally bad for us customers/gamers. Content suffers because of strict packaging space? Bad idea from GW.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Literally every company in the world does regional pricing and any who can get away with it does regional locks. EU members cannot buy Magic cards from the US, where they are significantly cheaper, for example. Heck, even purely digital content that has no distribution costs is priced different for different regions.

That's always annoying.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ok, and?

That GW is locking forward to Brexit so that they are not forced by some stupid EU officials to be nice to customers

I'm just going to say it.

GW's prices are high no matter where you go. A bit pricier outside of the UK, but trust me- if you lived in the UK, you'd still be able to say they're overpriced.

Now comes the part a lot of people are going to struggle with. I bet this might incite some rage.

But it's true.

GW's prices didn't climb that high by accident. It didn't happen because some greedy CEO twirled his mustache and scrawled "TRIPLE THE PRICE!" on a napkin before slapping his secretary, Linda, right on the arse and kicking the nearest puppy.

GW's prices shot up in a very short time, and they did that because people were willing to pay those prices for their toys.

This isn't food, water, booze, or anything else crucial to life. It's a bunch of plastic/resin war toys. It's a luxury item, like a pair of Jordans or a Harley-Davidson or crystal wine glasses. It's very nice, but it's a pricey version of something and there are more affordable options out there of this kind of luxury.

And people still paid absurd prices, because if I'm calculating correctly- the prices doubled in about 4-5 years and unless you're in a third world country ran by some dictator and there's a coup happening... inflation don't work that fast.

You can hate it all you like, and you can gripe about it all day long, all over the internet and even bellow it out at the top of your lungs into the local GW store. But at the end of the day, if you bought it- they won, because dead Presidents (or whatever the rest of your losers put on your money) are louder than you will ever be.

And I'm far from free of guilt, I've paid it. And I admit it. There's a limit for me, I'm certain. And some things are at that limit. So don't think I'm pointing at everyone else, I'll fully admit to being 'part of the problem' to some degree.