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nice big bundle all pre-ordered form my flgs (well..... the only store in South Korea that actually stocks GW) Game, Gangwar and the two decks of cards. And a butt...painting handle bcs why not!! Surprisingly enough the prices here are cheaper than in Britain?!?!!! Not massively cheaper but fro the whole lot think I saved a tenner or so. Cant wait to get stuck in. Love where this is going. From the cramped tunnels of the underhive to the buildings, walkways and gantries of hivecity. Planning on runing the 2-D and 3-D setups concurrently as multipart scenarios. Roll on the 24th

Vorian wrote:
Well here's a Cadian and Cultist next to my version of the same Leader spoilered in my previous post (apologies for the various stages of unpaintedness!) so you can get an idea

By looking at this and the pic posted earlier, it is pretty easy to conclude that the new Necromunda minis are bigger than the Genestealer Cultists and Cadians. I said that this was the case when we saw the first pics.

Goliath I get, maybe but ugh, Genestealer cults will look like they are made up of 5-foot tall men compared to Echer gangers. Must be that Genestealers only infect the stunted men from House Echer on Necromunda.

I would be very grateful if someone could post the measurments of the bulkheads in the box. I am building some necromunda/zone mortalis terrain from foamcore at the moment.

Whilst on general level I'm fine with the idea of the models not being able to swap weapons (I don't want to alter my models once finished anyway), I'm a bit perplexed about how it will interact with the starting weapon restrictions and the trading post. Juves have very limited choice of starting weapons; does that mean they're stuck with those forever, even when they level up and stop being juves? How about the trading post? Can I buy stuff from there when initially equipping my starting gang?

Going to wait on this one, very excited but he terrain that comes in the core box is lack luster and I am not interested in either of the gangs so with only half the rules the value just isn’t there for me.

I will wait for the core rules to be released separately or eBay it but given the iffy value in the box the rule book might be going for a lot for people to make their investment back on breaking the core set up.

They'll probably be in scale with Tempestus Scions and DV chaos cultists then as they are both noticeably larger than Cadians, GS cultists and Admech.

It's a bit frustrating how GWs scale oscillates. With the GS cultist and Admech releases they seemed to have dialled back the scale creep but these are much bigger again. It's going to limit what other kits they can be kitbashed with which is a shame.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Goliath I get, maybe but ugh, Genestealer cults will look like they are made up of 5-foot tall men compared to Echer gangers. Must be that Genestealers only infect the stunted men from House Echer on Necromunda.

You could also view it in another way. House Escher consists of fierce amazon warrior women. While I have no info about their actual physical size in Necromunda, amazons in fantasy settings like AD&D were depicted as quite tall:

AD&D Monstrous Compendium Annual Volume Four, 1998, (Human, Amazon):
Size (M): 6´-7´´

They are even bigger with their beloved tactical high-heels. Remember this is a fictional setting and you can´t compare women that you encounter in your daily life with these valkyries. They are utterly fantastic like orks and elves.

 Crimson wrote:
Whilst on general level I'm fine with the idea of the models not being able to swap weapons (I don't want to alter my models once finished anyway), I'm a bit perplexed about how it will interact with the starting weapon restrictions and the trading post. Juves have very limited choice of starting weapons; does that mean they're stuck with those forever, even when they level up and stop being juves? How about the trading post? Can I buy stuff from there when initially equipping my starting gang?

Gangers can’t swap weapons. Juves, specialists, champions, and leaders can. Note, though, that they swap between “load-outs” of up to three weapons plus gear, which are each supposed to have a separate card. Also, if a crew is being randomly selected, you also randomly select the load-out of fighters that have multiples.

Again that’s a cue from Mordheim, if memory serves.

Your Henchmen couldn’t take different equipment from their starting bundle. So three Halberdmen would always fight with Halberds.

For characters, they could swap equipment between games, but without specific skills, couldn’t take any not available at creation (so an Elf couldn’t take Blackpowder without gaining a skill, the name of which eludes me).

I kind of like that. It can help prevent cheap options being taken to bulk out the Gang, only to be upgraded as soon as funds allow.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Whilst on general level I'm fine with the idea of the models not being able to swap weapons (I don't want to alter my models once finished anyway), I'm a bit perplexed about how it will interact with the starting weapon restrictions and the trading post. Juves have very limited choice of starting weapons; does that mean they're stuck with those forever, even when they level up and stop being juves? How about the trading post? Can I buy stuff from there when initially equipping my starting gang?

Gangers can’t swap weapons. Juves, specialists, champions, and leaders can. Note, though, that they swap between “load-outs” of up to three weapons plus gear, which are each supposed to have a separate card. Also, if a crew is being randomly selected, you also randomly select the load-out of fighters that have multiples.

Right. But the original loadouts are still 'saved' and you can't get rid off them? So even when your juve has been levelled to be the mightiest champion of the Underhive, geared to max, in scenarios with random crew selection, there is a chance she'll appear with just her laspistol and nothing more? Having these 'loadouts' seems like a huge liability; it sounds to me that you should give your champions and the leader the gear you want them to have from the get go, as there is a chance they'll end up using that gear anyway. Also, the trading post; can you buy starter gear from there? Because if you can't the regular gangers can never have trading post gear...

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Goliath I get, maybe but ugh, Genestealer cults will look like they are made up of 5-foot tall men compared to Echer gangers. Must be that Genestealers only infect the stunted men from House Echer on Necromunda.

Actually it's been said in the background that Genestealer hybrids have a tendency to be heavy set and bald.

House Escher is the House that historically dealt most with pharmaceuticals and chemicals so maybe the women got taller in the process, just as the men got negatively affected.

Finally, the likely malnutrition and high stress environment of the underhive probably would stunt growth.

plessiez wrote:
They'll probably be in scale with Tempestus Scions and DV chaos cultists then as they are both noticeably larger than Cadians, GS cultists and Admech.

It's a bit frustrating how GWs scale oscillates. With the GS cultist and Admech releases they seemed to have dialled back the scale creep but these are much bigger again. It's going to limit what other kits they can be kitbashed with which is a shame.

Andy Hoare has said the scale of the Necromunda figs is the same as all modern plastics. Goliaths are supposed to be bigger than Space Marines and the Escher are wearing foot-long heels, so it's not a surprise that they're taller.

 Mymearan wrote:

plessiez wrote:
They'll probably be in scale with Tempestus Scions and DV chaos cultists then as they are both noticeably larger than Cadians, GS cultists and Admech.

It's a bit frustrating how GWs scale oscillates. With the GS cultist and Admech releases they seemed to have dialled back the scale creep but these are much bigger again. It's going to limit what other kits they can be kitbashed with which is a shame.

Andy Hoare has said the scale of the Necromunda figs is the same as all modern plastics. Goliaths are supposed to be bigger than Space Marines and the Escher are wearing foot-long heels, so it's not a surprise that they're taller.

I don't think the Escher height can be explained by the heels alone, they're crazy tall even without them.

 Crimson wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

plessiez wrote:
They'll probably be in scale with Tempestus Scions and DV chaos cultists then as they are both noticeably larger than Cadians, GS cultists and Admech.

It's a bit frustrating how GWs scale oscillates. With the GS cultist and Admech releases they seemed to have dialled back the scale creep but these are much bigger again. It's going to limit what other kits they can be kitbashed with which is a shame.

Andy Hoare has said the scale of the Necromunda figs is the same as all modern plastics. Goliaths are supposed to be bigger than Space Marines and the Escher are wearing foot-long heels, so it's not a surprise that they're taller.

I don't think the Escher height can be explained by the heels alone, they're crazy tall even without them.

I've only seen one comparison picure that took the heels into account, and they were only slightly taller than even the old Escher. Would like to see more though taken at the same time with lines denoting the start of the miniatures actual heels and not their shoes.

 Crimson wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

plessiez wrote:
They'll probably be in scale with Tempestus Scions and DV chaos cultists then as they are both noticeably larger than Cadians, GS cultists and Admech.

It's a bit frustrating how GWs scale oscillates. With the GS cultist and Admech releases they seemed to have dialled back the scale creep but these are much bigger again. It's going to limit what other kits they can be kitbashed with which is a shame.

Andy Hoare has said the scale of the Necromunda figs is the same as all modern plastics. Goliaths are supposed to be bigger than Space Marines and the Escher are wearing foot-long heels, so it's not a surprise that they're taller.

I don't think the Escher height can be explained by the heels alone, they're crazy tall even without them.

And yet it can, because people eyeballs are garbage at judging that sort of thing. Greyfax looks like she could never in a million years be the same height as other modern plastics, but when you actually *measure her* without the heels guess what - just over 30mm to the eye. Just like the Skitarii. Just like the GSC. Just like the regular DV Cultists. All around 30mm to the eye once you account for pose. Escher will be the same.

 Lockark wrote:

From the leeked tradeing post page Heavy Stubbers aren't avilable in the current rules. The only "generic" heavy/special weapons we get are Grenade Launchers and the plasma pistol if you count that.

Yes GW unfortunately always makes the initial rulebook pure garbage. It's just an introduction for new players. Just give the game a little time, maybe in 6 months time it will be proper.

Then we'll have heavy stubbers and all the rest!

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

plessiez wrote:
They'll probably be in scale with Tempestus Scions and DV chaos cultists then as they are both noticeably larger than Cadians, GS cultists and Admech.

It's a bit frustrating how GWs scale oscillates. With the GS cultist and Admech releases they seemed to have dialled back the scale creep but these are much bigger again. It's going to limit what other kits they can be kitbashed with which is a shame.

Andy Hoare has said the scale of the Necromunda figs is the same as all modern plastics. Goliaths are supposed to be bigger than Space Marines and the Escher are wearing foot-long heels, so it's not a surprise that they're taller.

I don't think the Escher height can be explained by the heels alone, they're crazy tall even without them.

And yet it can, because people eyeballs are garbage at judging that sort of thing. Greyfax looks like she could never in a million years be the same height as other modern plastics, but when you actually *measure her* without the heels guess what - just over 30mm to the eye. Just like the Skitarii. Just like the GSC. Just like the regular DV Cultists. All around 30mm to the eye once you account for pose. Escher will be the same.

Theres also the extra mm's on the sculpted bases people aren't taking into account. The models themselves scale fine with gsc cultists etc

Yeah, I can confirm the Greyfax one. She looks like a GIANT, like, she was made in another scale compared with Scions and Genestealer Cultists. But she just has a very, very straight up pose and heels so high they could have -2 AP.

It's almost as if they are purposely not sticking to how things are in the real world where everyone is exactly the same height, no matter what age, sex, heritage or social circumstance?

Templets? Fire arcs? Really? Thought we were past all that. One step forward, two steps back.

 Tamwulf wrote:
Templets? Fire arcs? Really? Thought we were past all that. One step forward, two steps back.

Most skirmish games use these.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Tamwulf wrote:
Templets? Fire arcs? Really? Thought we were past all that. One step forward, two steps back.

Most skirmish games use these.

These are the spices that make games worthwhile. Take them away and the product becomes stale.

Looking at the photo, the cultist and Cadian look the exact same scale as necromunda.

If you have any experience with the cultists you know they all slouch forward, and that escher is standing straight up

Oh I'm sure they'll look fine on the tabletop together and yes you're quite right that the pose affects the overall height of the miniature.

The scale differences are really noticeable when you kitbash stuff though and that's what I'm referring to. If you combine parts from kits which are out of scale you'll notice it straight away. Arms look too long. Heads look too big. Bodies look too big for the legs they're on. Hopefully Andy Hoare is correct but I'm a little sceptical from that picture. I think they look to be at the larger end of the scale that GW work in.

Our group has settled on Monday nights for Necromunda - even if the new rules suck. (I don't think they will, but we have the old rules, just in case.)

Monday was chosen because of a typo on my part - Necromunday....

I just wish that more gangs were available for the initial release.

The Auld Grump - thinking about naming the leader of my Van Saar Colonel Dijon-Grey... it was him, in the conservatory, with the Las Cannon.

Well there will be 6 available from release, so that's a start.

 Crimson wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Well here's a Cadian and Cultist next to my version of the same Leader spoilered in my previous post (apologies for the various stages of unpaintedness!) so you can get an idea

By looking at this and the pic posted earlier, it is pretty easy to conclude that the new Necromunda minis are bigger than the Genestealer Cultists and Cadians. I said that this was the case when we saw the first pics.

That is what I was afraid of. I can see house goliath being larger than cadians but escher shouldn't be. I was really looking forward to buying necromunda gangs to use as conscipts/hive gangers

for the life of me, I can't see the problem you lot are having??



give her a haircut and she's actually shorter...not to mention generally considerably more slender all-round...then you take into account the extra 1-2mm from her base...I can't tell if her boots have high-heels or not...and ok, admittedly she does have a pretty wide stance, which might be taking off a couple of mm...but she seems a perfectly reasonable size to me?

That's an old Escher mini.