Necromunda Underhive - House of Chains Pg272

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**ZoBo**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's an old Escher mini.

oh.

well I guess I'll just shut up and go away then, won't I!

...huh. the old ones are actually a little bigger than I thought then...

**Grot 6**

ZoBo wrote:
for the life of me, I can't see the problem you lot are having??

Give her a haircut and she's actually shorter...not to mention generally considerably more slender all-round...then you take into account the extra 1-2mm from her base...I can't tell if her boots have high-heels or not...and ok, admittedly she does have a pretty wide stance, which might be taking off a couple of mm...but she seems a perfectly reasonable size to me?

Its proportional. the older models are slightly smaller. Issues come with weapons swaps. The old weapons are smaller. baby small. the equipment is so, but in the figures themselves, if you have a leader, they will look like a ganger, now, when before, they had all of the lickeys and chewies. Were bigger, and had access to the best weapons.

If you look at the figures, you can swing them, they just need to be individuals, so its not as big a deal as if it was a whole unit of ten or twelve. Bear in mind- if you want to use the new weapons, they are going to look gigantic.

**Yodhrin**

The old models were never going to be the same size as the new ones, we've known that for ages - that image is being used to back the as-far-as-we-know bogus claim that the new Escher are markedly larger than other new plastics like the GSC.

As usual, people making that claim continue to ignore perspective and pose. That GSC model, for example, leans forward enough to cut about 2mm off its overall height. The Escher metal isn't on the same "line" as the other models when you look at the feet. Additionally the new Escher plastics that people are comparing mentally with images like that are both wearing HUEG platform heels and come on moulded bases.

Look, I'm the last person to take a pop at someone for merely having and expressing a negative opinion, and if someone doesn't like the new models or any other aspect of the new game and wants to say so, have at it, if some folk agree with you and refrain from buying in that's entirely fair. But this "the new Escher are giantesses and don't fit the modern plastics" line needs to die off, just like the "Underhive is just a newbie boardgame mode" nonsense, because those aren't opinions, they're flat out incorrect information.

**jake**

Commissar Benny wrote:
Crimson wrote:
Vorian wrote:
Well here's a Cadian and Cultist next to my version of the same Leader spoilered in my previous post (apologies for the various stages of unpaintedness!) so you can get an idea

By looking at this and the pic posted earlier, it is pretty easy to conclude that the new Necromunda minis are bigger than the Genestealer Cultists and Cadians. I said that this was the case when we saw the first pics.

That is what I was afraid of. I can see house goliath being larger than cadians but escher shouldn't be. I was really looking forward to buying necromunda gangs to use as conscipts/hive gangers

Is that a Genestealer Cultist? I thought it was a Chaos Cultist. Anyway, those Cadians are weird little squat dudes . The new Escher are clearly larger than they are, but they also look like actual people and not deformed dwarfs. I can sympathize with you for being disapinted that they might not fit in with your Imperial Guard army, but for Necromunda I'd rather have nice looking reasonably sized models than weird little hobbit people.

**Commissar Benny**

jake wrote:
Is that a Genestealer Cultist? I thought it was a Chaos Cultist. Anyway, those Cadians are weird little squat dudes . The new Escher are clearly larger than they are, but they also look like actual people and not deformed dwarfs. I can sympathize with you for being disapinted that they might not fit in with your Imperial Guard army, but for Necromunda I'd rather have nice looking reasonably sized models than weird little hobbit people.

Don't get me wrong, the new models look fantastic. They will look great playing Necromunda. I just had hoped that GW would stick to the same scale as the majority of their models. Was planning on buying a ton of gangers to use as conscripts. I guess I can always scour ebay & buy the old ones.

**Yodhrin**

Seriously, people, look up a couple of posts. They *have* stuck to the same scale. Jeezo.

**Dr. Mills**

*Hops into thread to see if any new info gas been leaked*

*Sees people STILL arguing over scale like in the long term means absolutely anything to gameplay*

*Shakes head, wonders if it's possible to go full bolter spam on everything, leaves thread*

**Ruin_In_The_Dark**

The problem is less the gangers and more the million year old hunched up, statically posed Cadians really. That is a kit in desperate need of an update. Not much of a problem with the hunchbacked GSC as far as I can see as they are arch-backed like a purestrain making them appear shorter.

**SJM**

The old Escher models are some of the best GW has ever done, the new ones are simply terrible.

[MOD EDIT - Rule #1 - Alpharius]

**Mymearan**

SJM wrote:
The old Escher models are some of the best GW has ever done, the new ones are simply terrible.

[MOD EDIT - Rule #1 - Alpharius

Yes, because every woman who has some muscle and any other bodyshape than hourglass is a "transvestite". [MOD EDIT - Rule #1 - Alpharius

**Ruin_In_The_Dark**

Unpainted, the Escher look pretty good imo. Whoever painted the official models has made them look really smudgy and weird though. Overall I think they are not as cool as old school Escher but I think with a good/different paint job the new ones should be pretty nice.

**Mr Morden**

I think the thread got killed last time we had discussions about the appearance of female models so maybe move on or start a new thread?

**Ruin_In_The_Dark**

So has anything been said about when we can expect hired guns etc? With the gang a quarter release schedule there are going to be some fairly bland campaigns going on :(

**Deathwatch101**

From an interview with the guy who worked heavily on Necromunda but has since left (Monday morning mind blank means I cant recall his name!) he said that the plan was to release the main gangs thoughout 2018 and then go from there - but there were certainly plans to go into Outlanders and more if the market was there. Even new stuff that hasnt been seen before!

**Ruin_In_The_Dark**

That does sound awesome but I do feel like the game would definitely benefit from more starting factions. The first few months are going to be an Escher/Goliath fest, then when the next new gang comes out I think loads of people will jump over to try something new . . . .

**Aeneades**

Genestealer Cult should be available in the near future as well but I worry how viable they will be without a dedicated card deck.

**H.B.M.C.**

A Beastman in the Underhive?

Meet Gor Half-Horn. Nobody knows where this mysterious bounty hunter comes from, or quite how a member of one of the most hated subgroups in the Imperium* managed to get a bounty hunting license. Look familiar? That’s because Gor Half-Horn is, in fact, a re-imagining of a classic model from Rogue Trader from the abhuman auxilla – inspect him closely and you’ll even notice the Imperial Aquila on his chest.

Wherever he’s from, Gor makes for a valuable asset in your Gang War campaigns. If you’re rich in credits, but your Gangers have an unfortunate habit of dying, or you really, really need a particular rival in the campaign taken out, you can hire Gor for a single game. On the tabletop, he’s a terror, combining mutant strength with a LOT of firepower and a pretty awful temper – whatever you do, if your opponent hires Gor, do NOT let him charge you!

Gor Half-Horn’s rules and fighter card are included with the model, as well as rules for adding him to your gang in both one-off and campaign games of Necromunda. This is just the first of what Forge World has planned for the game of gang warfare in the 41st Millennium – like Blood Bowl, there are plenty of awesome models in the pipeline to support the plastic ktis and gangs you’ve already seen.

This guy will be available to pre-order on Friday, meaning if you get yours, he should show up around the same time as the rest of your Necromunda orders.

*narrowly beating out pacifists and the insufficiently pious, but falling just short of psykers and heretics…

**Mr Morden**

Aeneades wrote:
Genestealer Cult should be available in the near future as well but I worry how viable they will be without a dedicated card deck.

Would they not just release the deck with rules to play the cult?

**Dr. Mills**

Mr Morden wrote:
Aeneades wrote:
Genestealer Cult should be available in the near future as well but I worry how viable they will be without a dedicated card deck.

Would they not just release the deck with rules to play the cult?

Indeed, I'd imagine they would release a card deck for GSC easily, as the models are in place. The same could be said for Chaos Cultists too. As for rules, they are probably going to release them in a supplement entitled "Heretics, Xenos and Mutants" for Necromunda, covering the fore mentioned gangs and unique characters. The scales, sump zombies etc. Would be in this too.

Again, just my thoughts but it seems plausible...

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
A Beastman in the Underhive?

Meet Gor Half-Horn. Nobody knows where this mysterious bounty hunter comes from, or quite how a member of one of the most hated subgroups in the Imperium* managed to get a bounty hunting license. Look familiar? That’s because Gor Half-Horn is, in fact, a re-imagining of a classic model from Rogue Trader from the abhuman auxilla – inspect him closely and you’ll even notice the Imperial Aquila on his chest.

Wherever he’s from, Gor makes for a valuable asset in your Gang War campaigns. If you’re rich in credits, but your Gangers have an unfortunate habit of dying, or you really, really need a particular rival in the campaign taken out, you can hire Gor for a single game. On the tabletop, he’s a terror, combining mutant strength with a LOT of firepower and a pretty awful temper – whatever you do, if your opponent hires Gor, do NOT let him charge you!

Gor Half-Horn’s rules and fighter card are included with the model, as well as rules for adding him to your gang in both one-off and campaign games of Necromunda. This is just the first of what Forge World has planned for the game of gang warfare in the 41st Millennium – like Blood Bowl, there are plenty of awesome models in the pipeline to support the plastic ktis and gangs you’ve already seen.

This guy will be available to pre-order on Friday, meaning if you get yours, he should show up around the same time as the rest of your Necromunda orders.

*narrowly beating out pacifists and the insufficiently pious, but falling just short of psykers and heretics…

So cool!

**Ruin_In_The_Dark**

"Gor Half-Horn’s rules and fighter card are included with the model" - Great news! Although if he is up for pre-order on Friday my wallet is going to hate me even more than it already does.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Oh. And he has a chainsword . . .

**xerxeshavelock**

I wish they'd done that incredible Beastman to scale with my Rogue Trader beastmen. Won't be buying this.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Already a bit of a stir on the Heresy boards, with people eyeing Goat Boy there as a leader for Cult units.

**Yodhrin**

Ruin_In_The_Dark wrote:
"Gor Half-Horn’s rules and fighter card are included with the model" - Great news! Although if he is up for pre-order on Friday my wallet is going to hate me even more than it already does.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Oh. And he has a chainsword . . .

Maybe if you buy him his blister pack will include a wee chitty granting permission to add chainswords to the Trading Post table

Seriously though, the model is pretty awesome. Though I'm not a huge fan of that pistol design tbh.

**Jackal**

I've not had alot of interest in the necro stuff to be fair.
But if FW are putting out stuff like that then it may hook me.

That model really is solid IMO.
No stupidly large muscles, so fancy effects, not buried in clutter.

As above, I just don't like his pistol.
Other than that it's a great model and I'll be picking up one just to paint.

**zedmeister**

Oh dear me, it's been 30 years since a 40k beastman last appeared!

Autobuy!

**BrookM**

Now, how badly will FW feth up the rules for this model and how long until they errata it?

**Kanluwen**

zedmeister wrote:
Oh dear me, it's been 30 years since a 40k beastman last appeared!

Autobuy!

I mean, we did get Tzaangor last year...but they're dual game so I guess they only half count.

I like this Imperial Beastman. Might have to get him.

**BrookM**

Depending on price, I will get one, it's a nice model.

**Skinnereal**

IG Vet Serg.
So, even if my gang can't have him, I'll look to get one too.