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https://yaktribe.games/community/threads/toxin-or-if-i-cut-you-do-you-not-bleed.6297/

Saves me having to type it all out!

Is there a picture of the new scums compared to orlocks/escher?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Can someone explain the issue with Toxin. I'm clearly misreading it (or not)?

Presumably this armoury would contain a new, updated traits list?

From my understanding it functions as a normal gun but when enemy is on final wound and you hurt them causing them to roll injury dice

-you roll 2d6 (average 6-8) then roll 1 d6+ toughness (goliaths will roll 7-8 average, normal humans 6-7) if you win the roll off enemy goes out of action, if you dont they stay alive just pinned. Without chem synth this is roughly a 50/50 chance for out of action (vs the 1/6 chance normally)

The issue with it is you cant cause flesh wound or broken bone its all or nothing, which for shooting weapons isn't that bad actually, chem synth is also easier to get to work for ranged attacks (though its cool check+action requirement mean you dont get to aim), its more of an issue for close
combat where you lose the ability to coup de grace someone, broken bones+ooa is a 4/6 chance of taking someone out of action with coup. This makes toxin math wise worse in CC than using a normal weapon as you are just taking worse odds and losing atleast flesh wound chance, chem synth is also nearly impossible to pull off in CC due to needing to survive a round of combat normally to use it next phase to only just slightly even odds vs not using toxin at all.

Personally I would adjust toxin CC weapons to lower enemy toughness by 1 naturally, and upping chem synth price to 20-25 but cutting the action requirement and just having a cool check.

I spy Multii-Melta and Plasma Cannon....

This solved the inconsistency of Las gun short range between Underhive and Gang War 1. And probably a lot of other inconsistencies and sets a permanent precedense of weapons over the pdf.

The auto-pistol also got a much needed debuf to 4+ ammo.

I thought the Shock Whip was quite interesting as 'Versatile', meaning it had a very short range shooting attack in addition to being melee. They removed that for some reason, that's a pity, as it becomes less unique.

So now we don't only have garbage pages in the Underhive book (rules no longer valid), but also garbage pages in Gang War 1 (armoury for one!). One could only assume this Armoury of Gang War 2 will be garbage when Gang War 3 is released.

Edit: Seems like we still need the old books for Armoury since the new Armoury is not a complete list. So you need to look at multiple armouries and remember where which weapon is... Not sure why they included the Goliath specific weapon 'Renderizer' Serrated Axe but not the Brute Cleaver.

.... Good god. I leave the hobby for 8 months and everything goes all topsy turvy in my absence.

Squats. In 2018. My god. I wish I had a time machine so I could go back to Usenet in 1996 and tell them they only had to wait another 22 years.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
.... Good god. I leave the hobby for 8 months and everything goes all topsy turvy in my absence.

Squats. In 2018. My god. I wish I had a time machine so I could go back to Usenet in 1996 and tell them they only had to wait another 22 years.

For a single model that is used in a game only a tiny fraction of people play. Not exactly much to write home about.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's kinda the point. It's not worth anyone's time, because someone said something about a woman, we're off to the identity politics races with the bleating idiocy of the Twitter mobz screaming 'misogyny!'. Anyway, I digress... and I actually agree with you.

Yet whining about 'identity politics' is worthwhile use of the time?

If you think a company apologising a blanket insult to half of the planets population is somehow a problem, then it tells a quite a bit about you. It is really surreal how some people see a common decency to be some sort of nefarious political agenda.

 Crimson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's kinda the point. It's not worth anyone's time, because someone said something about a woman, we're off to the identity politics races with the bleating idiocy of the Twitter mobz screaming 'misogyny!'. Anyway, I digress... and I actually agree with you.

Yet whining about 'identity politics' is worthwhile use of the time?

If you think a company apologising a blanket insult to half of the planets population is somehow a problem, then it tells a quite a bit about you. It is really surreal how some people see a common decency to be some sort of nefarious political agenda.

Didn't the same statement also insult men?
Iirc, the complete statement referred to both Goliath and Escher, on how they were based off of the negative stereotypes of both men and women. Which is true, because they are. Even in the original they were like that.
Also, I find it amusing how you are (seemingly) offended that he's offended at the people who are offended. That's like, an offense triangle.
Now, I'm not offended, just amused, but if I were, then it would be an offense quadrangle. And that's hilarious.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Didn't the same statement also insult men?
Iirc, the complete statement referred to both Goliath and Escher, on how they were based off of the negative stereotypes of both men and women.
Also, I find it amusing how you are (seemingly) offended that he's offended at the people who are offended. That's like, an offense triangle.
Now, I'm not offended, just amused, but if I were, then it would be an offense quadrangle. And that's hilarious.

As I understood the Goliath thing was just an example someone made up here, not something actually said. Had it been said, it would obviously have not been OK either.

And I never said that being offended was somehow universally bad. It can be good, that's how things get fixed!

I just loathe this current fad of certain people being up in arms when any sort of attempts at common decency are being made.

On the Escher comment - if you're not yourself a woman, hush your gums. You don't get to tell the other gender what to be offended at. If you are indeed a woman, you still don't get to tell other women whether or not to be offended.

On the Goliath comment - Exactly the same, just with the opposite gender.

So all other smug comments pretty much nixed. Can we please proceed with the frothing about Necromunda?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
On the Escher comment - if you're not yourself a woman, hush your gums. You don't get to tell the other gender what to be offended at. If you are indeed a woman, you still don't get to tell other women whether or not to be offended.

On the Goliath comment - Exactly the same, just with the opposite gender.

So all other smug comments pretty much nixed. Can we please proceed with the frothing about Necromunda?

Are you seriously saying that no one should ever speak up in defense of anyone other than themselves? I have to assume this is a joke or I will lose faith in humanity.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

All the blokes on here going 'it wasn't offensive' can't exactly say that, on account they're not women, and thus could never been offended by the comment

Do you see the difference there?

 Kirasu wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
.... Good god. I leave the hobby for 8 months and everything goes all topsy turvy in my absence.

Squats. In 2018. My god. I wish I had a time machine so I could go back to Usenet in 1996 and tell them they only had to wait another 22 years.

For a single model that is used in a game only a tiny fraction of people play. Not exactly much to write home about.

I was being slightly facetious. It's still a cool model, though, and I want it as a veteran officer to lead my platoonsworth of old plastic Squats.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
On the Escher comment - if you're not yourself a woman, hush your gums. You don't get to tell the other gender what to be offended at. If you are indeed a woman, you still don't get to tell other women whether or not to be offended.

On the Goliath comment - Exactly the same, just with the opposite gender.

So all other smug comments pretty much nixed. Can we please proceed with the frothing about Necromunda?

All the blokes on here going 'it wasn't offensive' can't exactly say that, on account they're not women, and thus could never been offended by the comment

Do you see the difference there?

I think it's called empathy.

Can we please stay on topic?

Thanks

One of the things that is interesting about Necromunda is that there is an overall expansion of the universe via an in depth look at a specific location.

We haven't seen such interesting expansion in a long time, possibly since early in the Rogue Trader era.

Every once in a while something would jump out (looking at Solar Aux - which was a passion project from one sculptor that got assimilated by FW - or Gorka Morka) but the extent of planning and world building going into Necromunda is astounding.

I can see that Blanche influence and the Inq28 movement really shaping where this is going. Hired Guns, Bounty Hunters, Goliath King, characters, pets, and Guilds all add a level of detail and world building we haven't seen in a while.

I am extremely excited.

stormboy wrote:
One of the things that is interesting about Necromunda is that there is an overall expansion of the universe via an in depth look at a specific location.

We haven't seen such interesting expansion in a long time, possibly since early in the Rogue Trader era.

Every once in a while something would jump out (looking at Solar Aux - which was a passion project from one sculptor that got assimilated by FW - or Gorka Morka) but the extent of planning and world building going into Necromunda is astounding.

I can see that Blanche influence and the Inq28 movement really shaping where this is going. Hired Guns, Bounty Hunters, Goliath King, characters, pets, and Guilds all add a level of detail and world building we haven't seen in a while.

I am extremely excited.

As someone who really digs new retro wave and vaporwave music, + 80s movies, I love the 80s vibe the models themselves have. The guilds are going to be awesome!

stormboy wrote:
One of the things that is interesting about Necromunda is that there is an overall expansion of the universe via an in depth look at a specific location.

We haven't seen such interesting expansion in a long time, possibly since early in the Rogue Trader era.

Every once in a while something would jump out (looking at Solar Aux - which was a passion project from one sculptor that got assimilated by FW - or Gorka Morka) but the extent of planning and world building going into Necromunda is astounding.

I can see that Blanche influence and the Inq28 movement really shaping where this is going. Hired Guns, Bounty Hunters, Goliath King, characters, pets, and Guilds all add a level of detail and world building we haven't seen in a while.

I am extremely excited.

Yup. And that's a side that's sadly been ill-served since 40k 'hit the big time' - all the tales of 'ordinary madness' were by necessity excluded, on account they play little role in galactic affairs. Even better, when like 2000ad (clearly a big influence on Necromunda) your average Joe has no way out of it, and hence has never known any different.

Indeed, and it's much more interesting than the fluff abortion that 40k has turned into

Gang War 2 now has a new Armoury which says

"This section contains rules for all of the weapons, armour and wargear available in Necromunda, including items found in the Trading Post chapter of Gang War, and the House equipment lists, including those found in Necromunda Underhive. It also contains an up-to-date list of Weapon Traits.

The lists presented so far provide rules for all of the weapons that come with the models released to date. As more gangs and characters are released, rules for any new weapons available to them will be added to the summary and Rare Trade list in future supplements."

So this new armoury is supposed to unifiy all previous sources and list everything as of now. But what happened to the Brute Cleaver? It isn't listed :( Also the less relevant 'Two-handed weapon' (worse than a knife and costs more) is gone, and the 'Club/maul/hammer' from the pdf.

I do want more female gangers

In necromunda of course.

I’ve been playing wm a long time, and coming back to a game
with 5 dude houses and 1 sorority is still kinda weird

 malfred wrote:
I do want more female gangers

In necromunda of course.

I’ve been playing wm a long time, and coming back to a game
with 5 dude houses and 1 sorority is still kinda weird

Agreed!

eschers being all-female makes sense - escher males are explicitly stated to be scrawny and underdeveloped. The other gangs don't really have the same in-universe rationale, I'd love to see some female orlocks or Cawdor or Van Saar models

Charax wrote:
eschers being all-female makes sense - escher males are explicitly stated to be scrawny and underdeveloped. The other gangs don't really have the same in-universe rationale, I'd love to see some female orlocks or Cawdor or Van Saar models

Yeah. As lovely as the new Orlocks are, I was disappointed that they're all male. It is kinda silly that there aren't any female gangers outside the specific amazon gang.

 Crimson wrote:

Charax wrote:
eschers being all-female makes sense - escher males are explicitly stated to be scrawny and underdeveloped. The other gangs don't really have the same in-universe rationale, I'd love to see some female orlocks or Cawdor or Van Saar models

Yeah. As lovely as the new Orlocks are, I was disappointed that they're all male. It is kinda silly that there aren't any female gangers outside the specific amazon gang.

So far.

lets just hope they add some interesting stuff to all the upcoming stuff.

Charax wrote:
eschers being all-female makes sense - escher males are explicitly stated to be scrawny and underdeveloped. The other gangs don't really have the same in-universe rationale, I'd love to see some female orlocks or Cawdor or Van Saar models

Yes, this is what I'd be after. A variation of sexes within one gang as opposed to just one gang compromised of women or men... or anything else!

Not that I'm that irked by single sex gangs yet, it would just be nice going forward for some variation though and I've got my fingers crossed for some Forgeworld resin characters in the future.

I’m sure it’s a gap that enterprising third party sculptors can/will fill.

 Desubot wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Charax wrote:
eschers being all-female makes sense - escher males are explicitly stated to be scrawny and underdeveloped. The other gangs don't really have the same in-universe rationale, I'd love to see some female orlocks or Cawdor or Van Saar models

Yeah. As lovely as the new Orlocks are, I was disappointed that they're all male. It is kinda silly that there aren't any female gangers outside the specific amazon gang.

So far.

lets just hope they add some interesting stuff to all the upcoming stuff.

How long did it take to get female Stormcast again......

Absolutely, Theophony. Victoria and Statuesque miniatures have already made it an easy job to convert your own, if you like their aesthetics.

http://www.statuesqueminiatures.co.uk/p/9064683/sma304-heroic-scale-female-heads---veterans.html

http://www.statuesqueminiatures.co.uk/p/9036653/sma303-heroic-scale-female-heads---berets.html

I've seen some nice work with the above combined with Tempestus Scions, I've no doubt they'd also look grand on some Orlocks.

Hopefully somebody like Scibor will get the bug for Necromunda, his/their proxy minis are just gorgeous!