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Any predictions on points reductions?

My bet is the following: Death Company, Dante, Furioso Dread, Death Company Dread, Sanguinary Guard, Astorath, Baal Preadator, and maybe The Sanguinor. All of these units cost to much currently. The only way to make them viable is to buff them and/or reduce their costs.

Any ideas how they will buff Death Company?

broxus wrote:
Any predictions on points reductions?

My bet is the following: Death Company, Dante, Furioso Dread, Death Company Dread, Sanguinary Guard, Astorath, Baal Preadator, and maybe The Sanguinor. All of these units cost to much currently. The only way to make them viable is to buff them and/or reduce their costs.

Any ideas how they will buff Death Company?

You forgot the Inferno pistol, very overpriced. I hope they buff flamers for us, or reduce points, we like to burn our enemys. I would like to be able to deepstrike 9" - D3 from enemy units. Maybe a stratagem which does that ? That way we can use flamers. DC is ok points wise, and buff wise, S+1 would be nice.

So far all the Codex releases have reduced points costs so as to allow better theming fluff-wise. So, I am hoping for that. I am also hoping for some help in regards to Alpha strike options since it seems that DC are the only really BA option in terms of making us distinct from other Chapters. If Sanguinary Guard get some help too, it would go a long way towards helping us move away from being "the red ones."

I'm also intrigued by what the expanded Sanguinary Psychic discipline will look like. I'm hoping to see something that attacks low Leadership, which might make the -1 modifier of Death masks more useful too.

I used to run a Dante+Sanguinary guard list. Really hoping to see that come back. Dante needs to get Hit and Run back, and Sanguinary guard weapons are massively overpriced. Having Death Masks be priced per model is also now very annoying, as I have all mine modeled with them, but now there is no reason to take more than 1.

I don't like that Dante and Sanguinary Guard don't really go together well. Hopefully something is done about that.

I just really want the ability to use Dante with Death Company in an allied detachment. Not much wrong with that request!

That said, anyone want to give the math on a straight reroll to charge vs the +1" on the charge? I can't think of a lot of situations where I'd want the latter.

If we had +1 advance/charge, +1 attack on everyone, and an extra point of AP on all melee attacks, we might manage to slide into the upper tier. I doubt we'd get all that though. GW doesn't seem to have the faintest idea that BA are and have been super weak and if they do, they don't understand why.

 niv-mizzet wrote:
If we had +1 advance/charge, +1 attack on everyone, and an extra point of AP on all melee attacks, we might manage to slide into the upper tier. I doubt we'd get all that though. GW doesn't seem to have the faintest idea that BA are and have been super weak and if they do, they don't understand why.

They're weak because some people are insistent on keeping them as a separate codex.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 niv-mizzet wrote:
If we had +1 advance/charge, +1 attack on everyone, and an extra point of AP on all melee attacks, we might manage to slide into the upper tier. I doubt we'd get all that though. GW doesn't seem to have the faintest idea that BA are and have been super weak and if they do, they don't understand why.

They're weak because some people are insistent on keeping them as a separate codex.

They have a ton of exclusive units. More than Death Guard and Thousand Sons (both of which get their own codex). It would be hard to fit them into Codex Space Marines.

People will never stop complaining about the big space marine chapters having their own codex will they?

Get over it guys. Now Chaos will have those too. Feel happy about the players, you are wishing for players to be screw over by GW In a naive desire that GW will give you the attention that has taken away from them. But you know that it is not true. You know it.

Harsh reality is that more people likely spend more money on BA, DA, SW than some of the less popular armies. Whether that’s because marines are more popular concept or because GW spends more money on and puts more effort into marines is a chicken/egg thing but the less codex adherent chapters have had books since 2nd; before a lot of other armies were ever around, so they get no sympathy from me for their ill-will. The problem is GW, not fans of the off-shoot chapters.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 niv-mizzet wrote:
If we had +1 advance/charge, +1 attack on everyone, and an extra point of AP on all melee attacks, we might manage to slide into the upper tier. I doubt we'd get all that though. GW doesn't seem to have the faintest idea that BA are and have been super weak and if they do, they don't understand why.

They're weak because some people are insistent on keeping them as a separate codex.

They have a ton of exclusive units. More than Death Guard and Thousand Sons (both of which get their own codex). It would be hard to fit them into Codex Space Marines.

Well the generic Apothecary is its own character now, and Sanguine Guard are basically Honour Guard with Jump Packs.
Really outside a couple of equipment options and Death Company there's nothing you can't do to just throw them in the big book. I say the same for Dark Angels too, who have even less unique stuff going on for them.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 niv-mizzet wrote:
If we had +1 advance/charge, +1 attack on everyone, and an extra point of AP on all melee attacks, we might manage to slide into the upper tier. I doubt we'd get all that though. GW doesn't seem to have the faintest idea that BA are and have been super weak and if they do, they don't understand why.

They're weak because some people are insistent on keeping them as a separate codex.

They have a ton of exclusive units. More than Death Guard and Thousand Sons (both of which get their own codex). It would be hard to fit them into Codex Space Marines.

Well the generic Apothecary is its own character now, and Sanguine Guard are basically Honour Guard with Jump Packs.
Really outside a couple of equipment options and Death Company there's nothing you can't do to just throw them in the big book. I say the same for Dark Angels too, who have even less unique stuff going on for them.

Same could be said of thousand sons and death guard. Lets remove thosn codexes then as well.

Ain't happenikg

tneva82 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 niv-mizzet wrote:
If we had +1 advance/charge, +1 attack on everyone, and an extra point of AP on all melee attacks, we might manage to slide into the upper tier. I doubt we'd get all that though. GW doesn't seem to have the faintest idea that BA are and have been super weak and if they do, they don't understand why.

They're weak because some people are insistent on keeping them as a separate codex.

They have a ton of exclusive units. More than Death Guard and Thousand Sons (both of which get their own codex). It would be hard to fit them into Codex Space Marines.

Well the generic Apothecary is its own character now, and Sanguine Guard are basically Honour Guard with Jump Packs.
Really outside a couple of equipment options and Death Company there's nothing you can't do to just throw them in the big book. I say the same for Dark Angels too, who have even less unique stuff going on for them.

Same could be said of thousand sons and death guard. Lets remove thosn codexes then as well.

Ain't happenikg

Yeah actually I'd prefer those removed as well.

We can squat any army that doesn’t have more than a couple options in each unit type. So let’s ditch most Imperium offshoots and get back to the days of just Marines, Eldar, Nids, Guard, Chaos, etc. Now they’ll only have roughly half a dozen books to balance because less books = better game or something, right? They’ll make tons of money too, because the Chaos and Vanilla books will be even bigger than they are now so they can charge 80 USD for them.

Let’s get back to News and Runours rather than BS and Wishes.

Bremon wrote:
let’s ditch most Imperium offshoots and get back to the days of just Marines, Eldar, Nids, Guard, Chaos, etc. Now they’ll only have roughly half a dozen books to balance because less books = better game or something, right? Let’s get back to News and Runours rather than BS and Wishes.

Yeah, can we take this dead horse somewhere else to be flogged?

All I'm really hoping for from the Codex is an effective means to field my Furiosos.

Very much looking forward to the stratagems though. I'm expecting those to open up a bit variety in terms of effective lists/play styles.


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 alanmckenzie wrote:

Bremon wrote:
let’s ditch most Imperium offshoots and get back to the days of just Marines, Eldar, Nids, Guard, Chaos, etc. Now they’ll only have roughly half a dozen books to balance because less books = better game or something, right? Let’s get back to News and Runours rather than BS and Wishes.

Yeah, can we take this dead horse somewhere else to be flogged?

All I'm really hoping for from the Codex is an effective means to field my Furiosos.

Very much looking forward to the stratagems though. I'm expecting those to open up a bit variety in terms of effective lists/play styles.


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Has there been any word of a date yet?

Seriously. Can we have a thread about an upcoming Dex without devolving into they should be squatted/merged in with another Dex? I hope they do the Death Company right. They need something else to be worth fielding. Otherwise they are poor cousins next to Vets. We need a lot of point adjustments. Dreads, Angelus Boltguns, Infernus Pistols, Hand Flamers, etc. Really curious to see if we get Wings back. If that works like Warp Time that would be awesome. Fingers crossed!

Ben2 wrote:

broxus wrote:
So the next 8th ed codex is Blood Angels! Lets start speculating what is in it and sharing any rumors we get here.

Source: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/03/news-codexes-heroes-blood-glorygw-homepage-post-3/

Quote the whole announcement - 1 Imperial and 1 Chaos codex before Christmas, 1 Chaos codex after.

Blood Angels then Dark Angels, then Chaos Demons in January.

Was this supposed to be a joke?

The announcement does not suggest there will be a Chaos Codex before Christmas. Unless you are suggesting Dark Angels have gone renegade. I am sure an Interrogator Chaplain would like to have a word with you.

Dark Angels being Chaos is such and old joke I'm surprised you have to ask.

 alextroy wrote:
Dark Angels being Chaos is such and old joke I'm surprised you have to ask.

Not really a joke. Gav agrees!!!

 pantheralegionnaire wrote:
So far all the Codex releases have reduced points costs so as to allow better theming fluff-wise.

Well, except admech. Not even the power weapon/fist drop that sm got. So it isn't a given.

Any announcements/rumours on what dates the new codexes will be released? Too much to hope Blood Angels go up for pre-order this week?

diepotato47 wrote:
Any announcements/rumours on what dates the new codexes will be released? Too much to hope Blood Angels go up for pre-order this week?

I doubt it. I would expect a codex every other week, as we've mostly seen so far. So Nov 25 and Dec 9 for the blood and dark angel codex.

fresus wrote:

diepotato47 wrote:
Any announcements/rumours on what dates the new codexes will be released? Too much to hope Blood Angels go up for pre-order this week?

I doubt it. I would expect a codex every other week, as we've mostly seen so far. So Nov 25 and Dec 9 for the blood and dark angel codex.

Ehhh...

I'd expect November 18th for the first(releasing on the 25th), December 2nd for the second(releasing on the following week).

 theharrower wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Dark Angels being Chaos is such and old joke I'm surprised you have to ask.

"Not really a joke. Gav agrees!!! "

Probably why his BL Dark Angel stuff seemingly contradicts every other authors' use of them. Always bitter that the two Chapters/Legions I play ended up with Gav as their primary novelist.

 Kanluwen wrote:

fresus wrote:

diepotato47 wrote:
Any announcements/rumours on what dates the new codexes will be released? Too much to hope Blood Angels go up for pre-order this week?

I doubt it. I would expect a codex every other week, as we've mostly seen so far. So Nov 25 and Dec 9 for the blood and dark angel codex.

Ehhh...

I'd expect November 18th for the first(releasing on the 25th), December 2nd for the second(releasing on the following week).

Oops, I forgot the post was about pre-order dates, and posted the release date I was expecting.

GW usually posts previews on the community website the week you can preorder. And because nothing has been posted yet, i expect you can preorder next week saturday the 18th, or a week later, saturday the 25th.

I am very much looking forward to the slow drip of previews from the Warhammer Community site lol. Hopefully they keep me excited rather than temper expectations!

I very much expect, based on how GK's worked, that BA's will keep their current "trait" and will gain a 2nd part to it. what that is, could be anyone's guess.

 theharrower wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Dark Angels being Chaos is such and old joke I'm surprised you have to ask.

Not really a joke. Gav agrees!!!

There are no jokes in the darkness of the 41st Century. *BLAM*