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Too bad that's photoshopped.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Too bad that's photoshopped.

Yep.

The original:

 kronk wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Too bad that's photoshopped.

Yep.

The original:

Just for the record...


He's not your friend, Kronk.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Too bad that's photoshopped.

I had no idea. Bummer.

 theharrower wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Too bad that's photoshopped.

I had no idea. Bummer.

You can tell by some of the pixels....

Gotta love the trolls that think BA and DA are basically different colored Ultramarines, they always decide to appear in threads like these.

 Frankenberry wrote:
Gotta love the trolls that think BA and DA are basically different colored Ultramarines, they always decide to appear in threads like these.

Nobody thinks that but question is are they distinct enough for own codex rather than being in main codex. Or do YOU think white scars are just different coloured Ultramarines?

Like it or not though force of tradition protects them from being joined to regular marine codex for better or worse. It has bad habit of leaving those chapters vastly different power levels. DA in particular has several times been basically testbed and outpowered by later released marine codex. Sometimes with totally weird stuff like stormshields that had 4++ rather than 3++ other chapters got. This would be avoided if they were in same codex.

For 4 editions of the Game Dark Angels have been the least powerful marine codex, and were the whipping boys of GW. It wasn't until 7th that they were at least somewhat competitive.

tneva82 wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
Gotta love the trolls that think BA and DA are basically different colored Ultramarines, they always decide to appear in threads like these.

Nobody thinks that but question is are they distinct enough for own codex rather than being in main codex. Or do YOU think white scars are just different coloured Ultramarines?

Like it or not though force of tradition protects them from being joined to regular marine codex for better or worse. It has bad habit of leaving those chapters vastly different power levels. DA in particular has several times been basically testbed and outpowered by later released marine codex. Sometimes with totally weird stuff like stormshields that had 4++ rather than 3++ other chapters got. This would be avoided if they were in same codex.

Do you play any of the armies discussed here?

 Frankenberry wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
Gotta love the trolls that think BA and DA are basically different colored Ultramarines, they always decide to appear in threads like these.

Nobody thinks that but question is are they distinct enough for own codex rather than being in main codex. Or do YOU think white scars are just different coloured Ultramarines?

Like it or not though force of tradition protects them from being joined to regular marine codex for better or worse. It has bad habit of leaving those chapters vastly different power levels. DA in particular has several times been basically testbed and outpowered by later released marine codex. Sometimes with totally weird stuff like stormshields that had 4++ rather than 3++ other chapters got. This would be avoided if they were in same codex.

Do you play any of the armies discussed here?

Let's see. Space wolves, IG, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Orks. Think that covers my 40k armies.

Can you answer the question? Are white scars different coloured ultramarines? If not then clearly you can have chapters that aren't different coloured ultramarines in same codex as ultramarines so it would technically be feasible to have DA/BA there as well which would ensure they would be roughly similar in power levels and work on same logic more likely than now ensuring you don't end up with dark angel storm shields with 4++ rather than 3++ "just for reasons".

Let's not argue in the rumour vacuum guys, it's all OT anyway.

These Chapters are getting standalone Codexes whether you think it's a great idea or not. Space Wolves will too. GW likes money and wants to sell you more products.

 cuda1179 wrote:
For 4 editions of the Game Dark Angels have been the least powerful marine codex, and were the whipping boys of GW. It wasn't until 7th that they were at least somewhat competitive.

5 Editions, we were by far the worst in 2nd ed too.
For most of that time DA were the worst codex in the game.

Even today our only reliable trait is "Anything good you have will be made available to vanilla"

Looking forward to the BA Dex, curious the changes from the index. Anyone involved in Battle Scribe input?

+1 attack on the charge in addition to this +1 to charge rolls and you will see me fielding full 10 man tac squads in rhinos with just bolters and a chainsword sergeant. The squad and Rhino only cost around 204 points. Same as 10 Intercessors. They would allow me to deepstrike my 15 man DC squad, 10 man Vanguard Veteran squad, 10 man Sanguinary squad, and 3 HQ's. Also the only thing my opponent could shoot at is 3 T7 Rhinos that have smoke launchers with -1 hit if I go first. If my marines die oh no there only 13 points each.

Where is Martel to complain about the red marines being underpowered?

The trait is +1 to charge and may fall back and charge in the same turn.

tneva82 wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
Gotta love the trolls that think BA and DA are basically different colored Ultramarines, they always decide to appear in threads like these.

Nobody thinks that but question is are they distinct enough for own codex rather than being in main codex. Or do YOU think white scars are just different coloured Ultramarines?

Like it or not though force of tradition protects them from being joined to regular marine codex for better or worse. It has bad habit of leaving those chapters vastly different power levels. DA in particular has several times been basically testbed and outpowered by later released marine codex. Sometimes with totally weird stuff like stormshields that had 4++ rather than 3++ other chapters got. This would be avoided if they were in same codex.

Do you play any of the armies discussed here?

Let's see. Space wolves, IG, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Orks. Think that covers my 40k armies.

Can you answer the question? Are white scars different coloured ultramarines? If not then clearly you can have chapters that aren't different coloured ultramarines in same codex as ultramarines so it would technically be feasible to have DA/BA there as well which would ensure they would be roughly similar in power levels and work on same logic more likely than now ensuring you don't end up with dark angel storm shields with 4++ rather than 3++ "just for reasons".

Rules wise, they certainly appear as white armored ultramarines.

 SideshowLucifer wrote:
The trait is +1 to charge and may fall back and charge in the same turn.

How'd you find that out? Seems alright, except id of liked an extra attack or something in melee. Everyone being able to take chainswords would've been great but that won't ever happen, as that's equipment based and already a Wolf thing. Still, I'm 100% expecting BA to suck again. DA are going to rule though I presume as they're already pretty strong.

So if they have jump packs they can shoot the plasma pistols they’d be able to shoot in combat anyway, and if they have anything besides pistols the only thing falling back and charging affects is a potential bonus attack on the charge, or zig zagging to different enemy units?

If you can fall back and charge then you can shoot at the enemy unit with the whole rest of your army, then charge in again to "lock" them in combat, so they have to fall back in their turn.

 Slinky wrote:
If you can fall back and charge then you can shoot at the enemy unit with the whole rest of your army, then charge in again to "lock" them in combat, so they have to fall back in their turn.

The charge still has to survive the overwatch...so by leaving the combat you are enabling your opponent an opportunity to shoot again, at a penalty of course.

100BostonFan wrote:

 Slinky wrote:
If you can fall back and charge then you can shoot at the enemy unit with the whole rest of your army, then charge in again to "lock" them in combat, so they have to fall back in their turn.

The charge still has to survive the overwatch...so by leaving the combat you are enabling your opponent an opportunity to shoot again, at a penalty of course.

This is based upon the assumption there would be no skills or Psyker abilities allowing for them to do something to mitigate Overwatch capabilities.

 Kanluwen wrote:

100BostonFan wrote:

 Slinky wrote:
If you can fall back and charge then you can shoot at the enemy unit with the whole rest of your army, then charge in again to "lock" them in combat, so they have to fall back in their turn.

The charge still has to survive the overwatch...so by leaving the combat you are enabling your opponent an opportunity to shoot again, at a penalty of course.

This is based upon the assumption there would be no skills or Psyker abilities allowing for them to do something to mitigate Overwatch capabilities.

Of course...just looking at what the standard rules are now..and what we know as of now. The unknown can change anything.

If that tactic is true, the +1 attack psychic power just got a whole lot better...

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Where is Martel to complain about the red marines being underpowered?

Not Martel, but maybe he’s waiting for something more substantial in the way of spoilers before saying anything?

 Crusaderobr wrote:
If that tactic is true, the +1 attack psychic power just got a whole lot better...

Why? The power is +1 attack regardless of whether you charged or not. Granted it helps Death Company as they'll gain an extra +2 attacks with Black Rage, but aside from that it's still the same.

It’s basically a modified version of White Scars If this is the case, and it isn’t easy to find people talking about the bike chapter outdoing anyone.

tneva82 wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
Gotta love the trolls that think BA and DA are basically different colored Ultramarines, they always decide to appear in threads like these.

Nobody thinks that but question is are they distinct enough for own codex rather than being in main codex. Or do YOU think white scars are just different coloured Ultramarines?

Like it or not though force of tradition protects them from being joined to regular marine codex for better or worse. It has bad habit of leaving those chapters vastly different power levels. DA in particular has several times been basically testbed and outpowered by later released marine codex. Sometimes with totally weird stuff like stormshields that had 4++ rather than 3++ other chapters got. This would be avoided if they were in same codex.

Do you play any of the armies discussed here?

Let's see. Space wolves, IG, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Orks. Think that covers my 40k armies.

Can you answer the question? Are white scars different coloured ultramarines? If not then clearly you can have chapters that aren't different coloured ultramarines in same codex as ultramarines so it would technically be feasible to have DA/BA there as well which would ensure they would be roughly similar in power levels and work on same logic more likely than now ensuring you don't end up with dark angel storm shields with 4++ rather than 3++ "just for reasons".

Only Space Wolves and Grey Knights have any excuse for being in a ddifferent codex.

You could make the argument on Deathwatch being rolled on in but nah.

I'm curious to know which codex will release first, Blood Angels or Dark Angels, or if they'll be released jointly on the same date?

I hope we will see some rumor trickles soon once the Tyranid codex drops this weekend.

My major points of interest are psychic powers, stratagems & warlord traits for starters, then relics next.

Hooray hurry up & wait.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
Gotta love the trolls that think BA and DA are basically different colored Ultramarines, they always decide to appear in threads like these.

Nobody thinks that but question is are they distinct enough for own codex rather than being in main codex. Or do YOU think white scars are just different coloured Ultramarines?

Like it or not though force of tradition protects them from being joined to regular marine codex for better or worse. It has bad habit of leaving those chapters vastly different power levels. DA in particular has several times been basically testbed and outpowered by later released marine codex. Sometimes with totally weird stuff like stormshields that had 4++ rather than 3++ other chapters got. This would be avoided if they were in same codex.

Do you play any of the armies discussed here?

Let's see. Space wolves, IG, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Orks. Think that covers my 40k armies.

Can you answer the question? Are white scars different coloured ultramarines? If not then clearly you can have chapters that aren't different coloured ultramarines in same codex as ultramarines so it would technically be feasible to have DA/BA there as well which would ensure they would be roughly similar in power levels and work on same logic more likely than now ensuring you don't end up with dark angel storm shields with 4++ rather than 3++ "just for reasons".

Only Space Wolves and Grey Knights have any excuse for being in a ddifferent codex.

You could make the argument on Deathwatch being rolled on in but nah.

Don't hate. BA was one of the first chapters that got its own look and feel. It does deserve it's own codex. And really, does it matter? If you don't play BA then don't worry.