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Yea, that halo bit is likely purely decorative.

Cool model, and I like the pose, personally. I may pick it up, or I may kitbash my own standard power armored lieutenant (non-primaris) if it's an option.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Mchaagen wrote:
Curious why that Blood Angel primaris Lt has an iron halo. Mistake or new option?

It is just a halo which signifies purity. Not every halo is an iron halo.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Mchaagen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Well, they are Angels so it isn't like it doesn't make sense...

I suppose it makes sense to newer Blood Angels players, or those that have been collecting them consistently for the last 10 years. I played them back in 3rd and 4th, before the time of bling.

This is why I love the new Primaris kits. The basic Marines aren't covered in bling. I can handle a character having some additional bling, but when Commander Dante, the frickin' CHAPTER MASTER, looks plain next to a Tactical Marine, there is a problem.

Dante is covered in gold. Very humble, little bling.

Also, he's an old model.

Dante is covered in gold. Very humble, little bling.

Also, he's an old model.

Yes, very Trump

Dante is what; 22ish years old? He was the king of bling when he was new. Teenage me was amazed at how cool he was. Blood angels have been obsessed with their appearance for decades despite what some of us who started collecting in 3rd think.

 Crazyterran wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Mchaagen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Well, they are Angels so it isn't like it doesn't make sense...

I suppose it makes sense to newer Blood Angels players, or those that have been collecting them consistently for the last 10 years. I played them back in 3rd and 4th, before the time of bling.

This is why I love the new Primaris kits. The basic Marines aren't covered in bling. I can handle a character having some additional bling, but when Commander Dante, the frickin' CHAPTER MASTER, looks plain next to a Tactical Marine, there is a problem.

Dante is covered in gold. Very humble, little bling.

Also, he's an old model.

Sit Dante next to a Sanguinary Guard and tell me he doesn't look a bit ridiculous. And don't get me wrong, I love the Dante model. He looks great even though the model is like 20+ years old. I just think GW went off the rails with BA bling. The Primaris kits scaling stuff back is a great solution to this problem. Even the LT looks plain next to the average BA Tactical Marine. Regardless, I am actually looking forward to adding a bunch of Primaris Marines to my BA.

 theharrower wrote:
I expected more than this today, but at least it's something.



Looks like Tolmeron isn't a special character after all. From Facebook:
Lieutenant Tolmeron is named in the annals of the Chapter and you can represent him on the tabletop by using the datasheet for a Primaris Lieutenant found in Codex Blood Angels.

Primaris marines are girafes?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Primaris marines are girafes?

Maybe Cawl has a thing for really long necks?
Or it could be for convenience with all the blood sucking .

 theharrower wrote:
I expected more than this today, but at least it's something.



Looks like Tolmeron isn't a special character after all. From Facebook:
Lieutenant Tolmeron is named in the annals of the Chapter and you can represent him on the tabletop by using the datasheet for a Primaris Lieutenant found in Codex Blood Angels.

Comments on the sword and pose are utter drivel. What they've done with the sword arm throws the rest of the pose off completely while the sword itself is both oddly proportioned and not particularly BA bar the dangly blood gem on the hilt. Look at the Sanguinary Guard glaives for how to BA-ify a damned weapon.

Tolmeron is posed super well to be a BA Librarian. Just need to make a hoodie for him. Or Skulls, ala Mephiston

 doomdreamer wrote:
Tolmeron is posed super well to be a BA Librarian. Just need to make a hoodie for him. Or Skulls, ala Mephiston

Hell, since he's plastic you could kitbash him with the Primaris Librarian.

Another Warlord trait spoiled on WH community site.



Hand flamers down to 1 point, inferno pistol down to 9 points, Angelus boltgun down to 3 points.

Furioso's to 80 and libby dread to 130.

anyone remembers this mek deff dread conversion?

Can anyone please explain to me how reivers and inceptors excel in CC like mentioned in the latest BA article on the WC website ??

Reivers are great for Age of Sigmar, hunting artillery crews and that kind of stuff.

I didn't know BA are present in AoS.

p5freak wrote:
Can anyone please explain to me how reivers and inceptors excel in CC like mentioned in the latest BA article on the WC website ??

In the same way that they're new units, of course.

But really they've got the pistol and knife and 'bump into you' attack respectively, so obviously they're excellent at CC.

I'm honestly more confused by the 'long dominated the skys.' Marines were forbidden aircraft for a long time in the fluff, and didn't exist on the table until recently in any case. I guess they were one of the earliest to have giant flying brick foisted at them, but still...

p5freak wrote:
Can anyone please explain to me how reivers and inceptors excel in CC like mentioned in the latest BA article on the WC website ??

The get a +1 bonus to wound rolls, have 2 wounds each, 2 attacks (3 if you are Reivers). Not too shabby if you ask me.

Voss wrote:

p5freak wrote:
Can anyone please explain to me how reivers and inceptors excel in CC like mentioned in the latest BA article on the WC website ??

In the same way that they're new units, of course.

But really they've got the pistol and knife and 'bump into you' attack respectively, so obviously they're excellent at CC.

Does a unit have to absolutely wipe a unit to be considered excellent at CC?

the mobility and ability to get into CC fairly early on is really important to things like preventing some heavy weapon from shooting (though it dosent apply to everyone)

and weight of fire has a quality of its own.

 Desubot wrote:
Does a unit have to absolutely wipe a unit to be considered excellent at CC?

Kinda, yes. If you can't completely obliterate the screen then you have zero chance of tying up the stuff behind it (never mind the fact that half the armies in the game have flying vehicles that don't give a damn if you tie them up in CC).

 Desubot wrote:

Voss wrote:

p5freak wrote:
Can anyone please explain to me how reivers and inceptors excel in CC like mentioned in the latest BA article on the WC website ??

In the same way that they're new units, of course.

But really they've got the pistol and knife and 'bump into you' attack respectively, so obviously they're excellent at CC.

Does a unit have to absolutely wipe a unit to be considered excellent at CC?

"..To be considered excellent.."
Yes. Yes it does.

Even for Templars which get a re-roll to charge, I don't rate Reivers myself either. Sure they're tough but what are they going to kill? Their weapons have no AP value and hit at S4, so sure for BA you're wounding on 3s most of the time or 2s for weaker stuff. But still, what is that good for? Killing guardsmen, cultists, Eldar guardians, etc? Sorry but I have better things for blendering the chaff.

I suppose, if I absolutely had to pick a CC option to blender chaff units I might consider a squad of Reivers, but honestly Vanguard Veterans with two chainsword seem like the better option in terms of getting stuck in faster. You don't have to deep strike them because of their 12'' move stat. Reivers? You better take that grapple or the chute, otherwise you're crawling up that field 6'' at a time plus your advance roll.

Very cool looking, but rather useless unit IMO, especially now that intercessors went down in points.

 Galas wrote:
Reivers are great for Age of Sigmar, hunting artillery crews and that kind of stuff.

Reavers != Reivers

That said, something I feel that continually gets overlooked on Reivers is their ability to subtract a point of Leadership to units they're within 3" of and their Shock Grenades.
Huck a Shock Grenade in your Shooting phase to deny Overwatch and to force the enemy to be at a penalty to hit during the ensuing Combat with the Reivers or anything else that charges that unit.

I've had some fairly good success using Reivers to 'prime' a target for a charge by an actual CC unit like Vanguard with Lightning Claws or Assault Marines. Sometimes I get cheeky and keep the Reivers right near the combat to take advantage of that -1 LD without throwing them into it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Reivers are great for Age of Sigmar, hunting artillery crews and that kind of stuff.

Reavers != Reivers

Well, except it is the same word, except without the quaintly archaic localization

p5freak wrote:
Can anyone please explain to me how reivers and inceptors excel in CC like mentioned in the latest BA article on the WC website ??

Reivers are solid light infantry hunters with their deepstrike abilities, good amount of attacksk, +1 to wound from Red Thirst and their "you can't overwatch against us" troll-grenade. They got me on the Inceptors though... although Red Thirst can actually be quite nice when they lock up a T5-7 vehicle in CC, they wound on 4s and most vehicles save on a 3+, meaning they can actually cause 1 or 2 wounds. Still far from a good CC unit though... unless GW releases a special BA Inceptor kit with melee weapon options we are as of yet unaware of.

Neither reivers not inceptors are excellent in CC. Space Marines have no excellent CC units. How can a model which doesn't even have a special CC weapon be excellent in CC ??

Pandabeer wrote:

p5freak wrote:
Can anyone please explain to me how reivers and inceptors excel in CC like mentioned in the latest BA article on the WC website ??

Reivers are solid light infantry hunters with their deepstrike abilities, good amount of attacksk, +1 to wound from Red Thirst and their "you can't overwatch against us" troll-grenade. They got me on the Inceptors though... although Red Thirst can actually be quite nice when they lock up a T5-7 vehicle in CC, they wound on 4s and most vehicles save on a 3+, meaning they can actually cause 1 or 2 wounds. Still far from a good CC unit though... unless GW releases a special BA Inceptor kit with melee weapon options we are as of yet unaware of.

You cant troll grenade out of deep strike.

but yeah while not as excessive as zerkers they do have a decent weight of st4 attacks then get to wound +1 with red thirst. they are wounding t3 infantry on 2s and flippin t7 tanks on 4s.

pretty sick. they seem "excellent" for the amount of points you are putting into them.

I would alter the sword so its pointing forward as if challenging an opponent. Would be easy and look much better.

Voss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Reivers are great for Age of Sigmar, hunting artillery crews and that kind of stuff.

Reavers != Reivers

Well, except it is the same word, except without the quaintly archaic localization

It was a joke guys, don't read too much into it. It comes from other forum where talking about the use of Reivers, we concluded that in a game like AoS or Warhammer Fantasy they would be a very good unit to hunt artillery crews, like the dwarf Gyrocopter. But in W40k you don't have artillery crews... just the Ork grot cannons and some FW IG ones. So their role without special weapons, AP or high strenght, is really, really niche. As much as I love them. I have 20 reivers

p5freak wrote:
Neither reivers not inceptors are excellent in CC. Space Marines have no excellent CC units. How can a model which doesn't even have a special CC weapon be excellent in CC ??

The Emperor's Champion is a monster. A very cheap monster. He just destroy any character he touches, barring the meele monsters ones like the Swarmlord, Guilliman, etc... and even those, with Hellbretch and Grimaldus buff, he can give them a good run for their money.

p5freak wrote:
Neither reivers not inceptors are excellent in CC. Space Marines have no excellent CC units. How can a model which doesn't even have a special CC weapon be excellent in CC ??

Roughly half the chapter tactics previews for the main marine codex gushed about how amazing Inceptors are in melee. It got ridiculous seeing them claim that over and over.

They have reason to charge to try to hide in close combat and fall back later, but expecting to do damage there?