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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/03/news-codexes-heroes-blood-glorygw-homepage-post-3/

Firstly, we did tell you you’d be getting 10 codexes this year, and we can confirm that the next two will be… (dramatic fanfare please):

Codex: Blood Angels and Codex: Dark Angels!



Both of these Chapters are firm fan favourites in the Warhammer 40,000 community, and their new codexes are packed with all sorts of awesome content designed to bring them up to speed with their brethren who adhere more closely to the Codex Astartes. You’ll find Stratagems, Warlord Traits and updated lore, as well rules for including the arsenal of the Primaris Marines in your Blood Angels and Dark Angels armies.

Not to worry, servants of Chaos; 2018 will be kicking off with a new codex for Chaos Daemons, all the better to slay the servants of the Corpse-Emperor (or just anyone who gets in your way) with.





   
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So this pretty much kills Sisters as the first codex of 2018

   
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Also isn’t promising for Lion el’Johnson coming back anytime soon. Though maybe he’d be a campaign release, I guess.
   
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I really hope that there will be atleast a DA and BA upgrade sprue!
   
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It comes as no surprise at all that the flood of quick-turn codices have almost all been well established lines. The only deviations to that have been Death Guard, who got a ton of kits and fill in with units from the CSM list, and AdMech, who are on the small side of available units (although on par with what armies like Dark Eldar and Tau had when they got their first codices) but got beefed up on unit choices by having Mechanicus affiliated Knights in their book. I expect that we'll likely see SW, Orks, Necrons, DE, all before we see codices for armies like GSC, Harlequins, etc. However, there are some caveats to my expectations. Deathwatch have a fair amount of stuff available, and if primaris are largely available, I could see them taking a spot in the mix of the others. Thousand Sons, depends on whether they intend on expanding the TS specific units. If they leave them with the current choices, they're likely to be in the mix of the quick-release codices. Sisters of Battle are a unique situation. They have a lot of units that are theoretically available, but not in plastics. That would take a multi-week, comprehensive release. I suspect that the smaller army lists will be saved for later, and will see units added...they'll effectively be the traditional mini-supported codex releases that we're used to. BUT, they may decide to break up the flood of quick-release codices here and there with a larger release.
   
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 MadCowCrazy wrote:
So this pretty much kills Sisters as the first codex of 2018


Never believed the "heard it from a GW store guy" rumor anyways.

A ton of armies and a terrain habit...


 
   
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Going to be grim for Nurgle and Slaanesh to have to make do with the understated Greater daemons in the codex too, then again the Bloodthirster and Changer of ways are hardly durable themselves. I just want a greater daemon who can actually survive to lead my army, it is so anti climatic for my greater daemon to die the instant my opponent gets a turn.

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shade1313 wrote:
Sisters of Battle are a unique situation. They have a lot of units that are theoretically available...


Lets not confuse the release of a Codex with imaginary plastic models. The one doesn't equal the other.

I hope BA get a good Dex, they need some love. DA can bugger off, teach you for stealing my Sisters robes, silly cross dressers...

A ton of armies and a terrain habit...


 
   
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 dracpanzer wrote:
shade1313 wrote:
Sisters of Battle are a unique situation. They have a lot of units that are theoretically available...


Lets not confuse the release of a Codex with imaginary plastic models. The one doesn't equal the other.

I hope BA get a good Dex, they need some love. DA can bugger off, teach you for stealing my Sisters robes, silly cross dressers...


DA were wearing robes long before the Sisters existed. #stoprevisionisthistory

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Only one Imperial book and two chaos books? Sounds good to me!

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BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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Surprised that it looks like the BA and DA are being released without new models. Hopefully there will at least be a Primaris upgrade sprue for the Aggressors and Inceptors.
   
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 djones520 wrote:

DA were wearing robes long before the Sisters existed. #stoprevisionisthistory


Before Sister Sin in the RT book? You sure?

A ton of armies and a terrain habit...


 
   
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 dracpanzer wrote:
 djones520 wrote:

DA were wearing robes long before the Sisters existed. #stoprevisionisthistory


Before Sister Sin in the RT book? You sure?


She had a nun's veil and power armour. Not even a loincloth. You may be right about DA didn't got their (monk!) robe before the Sister's first mention, but they certainly did not 'stole' it from them as Azrael (+ the midget), Asmodai, Ezekiel and Bethor are older than the first Sororitas models.
   
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 Rydria wrote:
Going to be grim for Nurgle and Slaanesh to have to make do with the understated Greater daemons in the codex too, then again the Bloodthirster and Changer of ways are hardly durable themselves. I just want a greater daemon who can actually survive to lead my army, it is so anti climatic for my greater daemon to die the instant my opponent gets a turn.


I have no doubt the Daemons book will have strategems in place to deliver Greater Daemons from reserve.
   
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 Nightlord1987 wrote:
 Rydria wrote:
Going to be grim for Nurgle and Slaanesh to have to make do with the understated Greater daemons in the codex too, then again the Bloodthirster and Changer of ways are hardly durable themselves. I just want a greater daemon who can actually survive to lead my army, it is so anti climatic for my greater daemon to die the instant my opponent gets a turn.


I have no doubt the Daemons book will have strategems in place to deliver Greater Daemons from reserve.
That would be nice


I wonder if Daemon's will get legion traits, like the Legion of Ka'bandha, or the host of m'kari or will they just be Tzeentch, Khorne, slaanesh, Nurgle.
   
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All I want from the daemons dex is for it to have mutalith vortex beasts and slaughterbrutes, and for daemon engines to get the daemons faction keyword.

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Wonder if we'll see successor chapter traits in these books, like Lamenters or Flesh Tearers, or if they'll all just use their parent chapter trait and be counts as blood angels.

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At the very least there will be a difference between first founding and successor chapters when it comes to BA special characters.
   
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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Wonder if we'll see successor chapter traits in these books, like Lamenters or Flesh Tearers, or if they'll all just use their parent chapter trait and be counts as blood angels.
I am curious about that as well. I could see Flesh Tearers getting something different.

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 Rydria wrote:
Going to be grim for Nurgle and Slaanesh to have to make do with the understated Greater daemons in the codex too, then again the Bloodthirster and Changer of ways are hardly durable themselves. I just want a greater daemon who can actually survive to lead my army, it is so anti climatic for my greater daemon to die the instant my opponent gets a turn.


Well they can't be worse than they are now. I wouldn't worry about the KOS or GUO when the new models are ready they get buffed data slates with the models. I'm more concerned about the other marginal units in the codex. Expanded units rules, stratagems, and psychic power could go a long way to making Daemons more viable. A deep strike stratagem is pretty much a given, but some defensive buffs like -1 to hit outside of 12" could go along way in making ranged firepower more survivable as well. I expect each of the gods will be getting their own "tactics" and Stratagems. If they do something like AOS daemons their could even be multiple factions and tactics per god.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Wonder if we'll see successor chapter traits in these books, like Lamenters or Flesh Tearers, or if they'll all just use their parent chapter trait and be counts as blood angels.
I am curious about that as well. I could see Flesh Tearers getting something different.


A good example of what they'll probably is the Death Guard codex. Maybe not separate tactics but enough variability with warlord traits, stratagems, relics. That you can tailor you army to fit the fluff you want. Death Guard will obviously get they're own special rules and traits, and probably Sanguinary Guard as well. I would be really cool if Lamenters did get some love.

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 MadCowCrazy wrote:
So this pretty much kills Sisters as the first codex of 2018


Expect the re-release codices before Sisters. Daemons make sense because they can launch a new GUO alongside them that also ties in with the Death Guard stuff as well as "Season 2" of with Blightwar and potentially the other stuff recently previewed.


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Tonhel wrote:
I really hope that there will be atleast a DA and BA upgrade sprue!


Both BA and DA have dedicated kits as well as the (small) upgrade sprue - especially BA who have a full line worth of dedicated kits. What do you think they need?

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 Azazelx wrote:
 MadCowCrazy wrote:
So this pretty much kills Sisters as the first codex of 2018


Expect the re-release codices before Sisters. Daemons make sense because they can launch a new GUO alongside them that also ties in with the Death Guard stuff as well as "Season 2" of with Blightwar and potentially the other stuff recently previewed.


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Tonhel wrote:
I really hope that there will be atleast a DA and BA upgrade sprue!


Both BA and DA have dedicated kits as well as the (small) upgrade sprue - especially BA who have a full line worth of dedicated kits. What do you think they need?


think they might be referring to a Primarus upgrade sprue, though wouldn't that be just the regular upgrade sprue?

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GoatboyBeta wrote:
Surprised that it looks like the BA and DA are being released without new models. Hopefully there will at least be a Primaris upgrade sprue for the Aggressors and Inceptors.

Eldar and GKs didn't get new models, just a release of a plastic character that had been available elsewhere before.

Primaris and Death Guard were the big new model releases. I think that other armies with complete model lines will be slotted in between those armies that are getting new models.

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B&C rumour dump. Looks fake to me, but have fun anyways. So convenient how this drops a day after the announcement, not a day before it


Source:
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341045-dark-angel-book-leaks-rules/?p=4924277

Spoiler:


book has been leaked

Preorder on the 2nd of December
Available on the 9th of December

A few changes in a couple of units. Points moving to match the vanilla codex.

No Sammael in Sableclaw in the codex

Black knights and deathwing terminators may now be upgraded to a command squad (1 per army) this basically gives them the bodyguard ability.

Now the juicy stuff

Abilities

And they shall know no fear

Inner circle
This unit automatically passes morale checks. In addition it may reroll at to hit rolls against Heretic Astartes and all to hit and to wound rolls against Fallen in the fight phase

Ravenwing
If this unit moves it gains a 6+ invulnerable save to all shooting attacks. If it advances it gains a 5+ Invulnerable save to all shooting attacks

Grim Resolve
All UNFORGIVEN units may Overwatch on a 5+ and will only lose one model to a failed morale test

Have the same space marine stratagems as vanilla marines with the exception of
Masterful marksmanship
Cluster mines
Tremor shells

Also access to these unique stratagems

Fury of the First
2CP
Use this stratagem in your shooting phase. All plasma weapons may use the supercharge weapon template but ignore any mortal wounds that would be caused by a roll of 1.

Repent for Tomorrow You Die
Unforgiven Stratagem
1CP
Use this stratagem before overwatch, the UNFORGIVEN unit may fire overwatch at full BS.

Teleport Homer
Unforgiven Stratagem
2CP
Play at the beginning of your turn. Any DEATHWING unit may deepstrike from reserve within 9" of an enemy unit as long as it is within 6" of a RAVENWING UNIT

Deathwing Assault
Unforgiven Stratagem
2CP
Play at the beginning of your turn, any DEATHWING unit entering by deepstrike may fire twice or add 3" to a charge roll this turn.

Same standard space marine Warlord Traits as vanilla marines with the following unique ones.

Unforgiven
Hold at all costs
Your warlord and UNFORGIVEN units within 9" of your Warlord may roll a D6 for every wound sustained, on a 5+ it is ignored.

Unforgiven
Courage of the First Legion
UNFORGIVEN units in your army may use your Warlords Leadership for morale checks.

Deathwing
The Hunt
Any enemy Character that your Warlord slays in the fight phase grants one victory point

Ravenwing
Rapid Manoeuvres
Your warlord and any RAVENWING units within 6" of him may add 2" to all move, Advance and charge distances and add +1 to all JINK rolls

Relics

Sacred standard
Only one sacred standard can be taken per army

Standard of Devestation
All UNFORGIVEN units within 9" of the standard may fire twice in the shooting phase and automatically pass morale checks.

Standard of Retribution
All UNFORGIVEN units within 9" of the standard may attack twice in the fight phase and automatically pass morale checks.

Standard of Fortitude
All UNFORGIVEN units within 9" of the standard when suffering an unsaved wound may roll a D6 on a 5+ the wound is ignored and automatically pass morale checks.

Mace of Redemption
S+3 Ap-3 D2
If a unit suffers damage from this weapon reduce WS by 1 until the end of the next fight phase.
Against Heretic Astartes weapon is AP -4

Lion's Roar
When attacking with this weapon, choose one or both of the profiles below. If you choose both, subtract 1 from all hit rolls for this weapon-
Boltgun 24" Rapid Fire 1 S4 AP0 D1
Plasma 24" AssaultD3 S7 AP-3 D1

Foe Smiter
Rapid fire 3 S4 AP-1 D1

Monster Slayer of Caliban
S+2 AP-2 D d3
If this weapon causes at least one unsaved wound roll a D6 on a 6 the model is removed from play. Does not effect models with the VEHICLE keyword

Shroud of Heroes
The shroud of heroes confers a 4+ cover save and for each unsaved wound roll a D6 on a 6+ the save is ignored

And finally the biggest news in my opinion

Lion El’Jonson
M 8"
WS 2+
BS 2+
S 6
T 6
W 9
A 7
Ld 10
Sv 2+

Hope Melee Melee S+2 AP -3 D 2 If you roll a wound roll of 6+ for this weapon, it inflicts Mortal Wounds instead of its normal damage.

Despair 18” AssaultD3 S8 AP -3 D3 If a unit suffers any damage from this weapon, roll a D6 on a 6 the unit suffers D3 Mortal Wounds

And they shall know no fear

Master of the First – If your army is battleforged, you receive an additional 3 CP if Lion El’Jonson is your Warlord.

Armour of the Order – Lion El’Jonson has a 3+ invulnerable save. In addition all UNFORGIVEN units within 8” receive an 5+ Invulnerable save.

Blade Master - For every unsaved wound Lion El'Jonson causes in the fight phase he can immediately make an additional attack. This ability can only be used once per fight phase.

Master Strategist- each time a stratagem is used roll a D6 on a 4+ the CP for that stratagem is not spent

I Primarch – You can re-roll any failed hit and wound rolls for friendly UNFORGIVEN units within 6” of Lion El’Jonson
   
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Blood Angels will probably get some successor chapter stuff, especially with the Flesh Tearers since they have their own character. Probably not anything like different chapter tactics though.

I’d like to see their assault units get buffed though. Marines have never really been all that great in combat, so some more rules to make them the CC guys would definitely help set them apart.
   
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Lion El’Jonson comes back???

Would be great to get another Primarch.
A shame that Sanguinus is gone for good... :(

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Only one Imperial book and two chaos books? Sounds good to me!


People keep saying that DA are going the way of chaos. Why is that? Is there some rumor released like that?


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 AAN wrote:
Lion El’Jonson comes back???

Would be great to get another Primarch.
A shame that Sanguinus is gone for good... :(


He ain't gone. He's getting a model. I'd bet my brother's life on it.

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Gimmie some Lamentors fluff. I need those boys to stay alive as the one shining hope in the Galaxy.

They were not present at the Devastation of Baal. It's assumed they were destroyed. Please no.

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 Davespil wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Only one Imperial book and two chaos books? Sounds good to me!


People keep saying that DA are going the way of chaos. Why is that? Is there some rumor released like that?


It's chewed to death joke da were always chaos side. Was better when it wasn't clear but even now it's been proven without shadow of doubt they were loyals it still doesn't die from boring people

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It's chewed to death joke da were always chaos side. Was better when it wasn't clear but even now it's been proven without shadow of doubt they were loyals it still doesn't die from boring people


It's not so bad. Compared to Ultramarine smurf-jokes and Guilliman-spelling variants some people apparently think are funny, it barely comes up.There're probably less Chaos-DA "jokes" on the internet in a year than there are "clever" Girlyman-variants being posted in a day. Or just asked a Tau player about the last time they managed to play a game without a lazy communist joke of fish pun being dragged out for the umpteenth time.

Original humor isn't the strong suit of the 40K crowd.
   
 
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