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bobafett012 wrote:
DW strat called Deathwing Assault for, i thought he said 2 or 3 CP, but i don't know exactly what it does. He said DW terms get to fire after DS. they already can do that, so maybe just a free round of shooting? I don't know how many units it affects, hopefully if it costs 3, all of them that DS....
I'm under the impression that they get to shoot when they Deep Strike and then shoot normally.
That's what I assumed but does it work for ALL DSDW units, just 1, why the 2 or 3 CPs, or did he just not know.
Pure speculation on my part, but it might be that it allows for you to DS a Deathwing unit out of sequence.
I do think it's funny that they write an article touting large DW squads because of the Grim Resolve CT, and yet, all the DW have inner circle, and there for are immune to morale, just as they were in the codex.....
Quite likely it's future-proofing in case, say, they add a Psychic Power that allows for stripping away the "Autopass" part of that...it's also possible that Inner Circle auto-pass when fighting Chaos or something of that nature.
He also said what sounded like DW had some special abilities after they DS. I wish he'd have went into details. Hopefully something other than a re-roll to hit, we got enough of those from everywhere else. +1 AP or re-roll wounds of 1, or something like that would be cool.
Most likely it's the ability to shoot twice or not have -1 to Hit for Heavy weapons or whatnot.
Why would it be shoot twice though when there is a strategem that does that? we'll see, the you tube reviews should be out tonight, hopefully like they were for the BA and we'll have to whole picture.
me too, that was one of my biggest disappointments. They are so iconic to the Dark angels and we even have the Ancients that carry banners, they couldn't have added them back in similar to how they added some banners into BA to use on top of their very good banners?
Spoletta wrote: Jinx is NOT the old one. It's 4++ and works in melee.
True, i was just writing down what he said. He said it was the same as index but he said it was 4++ and worked in CC with that strategem for RW.
So Jink is 5++ vs shooting if advance, but with a stratagem it becomes 4++ and works in meele too? Hmmm. If that stratagem is 1CP isn't bad.
I'm watching the WarhammerTV video and when he was talking about that one of the chat moderators said Jink only works against shooting. "he got excited"
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
It would be nice to have an option for Ravenwing Lieutenant without paying for the heavy weapons. But if you want that, you can get close with a Lieutenant with a Jump Pack.
Ok, just to confirm (couldn't watch the video): Jink triggers if you Advance, giving the unit 4++ vs shooting. IF you use a new strategem, it them becomes useable in melee for that turn as well? Or does it already give 4++ in melee now?
Vector Strike wrote: Ok, just to confirm (couldn't watch the video): Jink triggers if you Advance, giving the unit 4++ vs shooting. IF you use a new strategem, it them becomes useable in melee for that turn as well? Or does it already give 4++ in melee now?
The WarhammerTV guy got it wrong so everyone's confused. Sounds like Jink never works in Melee. The strategem lets a Ravenwing unit advance and charge and shoot normally.
Vector Strike wrote: Ok, just to confirm (couldn't watch the video): Jink triggers if you Advance, giving the unit 4++ vs shooting. IF you use a new strategem, it them becomes useable in melee for that turn as well? Or does it already give 4++ in melee now?
The WarhammerTV guy got it wrong so everyone's confused. Sounds like Jink never works in Melee. The strategem lets a Ravenwing unit advance and charge and shoot normally.
Wait... so we finally get standard bearers back as actual characters and they don't use it as a chance to bring back Brother Bethor? I... What?
Yeah, with the way they were re-splitting the command squad up in to characters again, I was guessing some kind of Bearer of the Sacred Standard was kind of a shoe-in for inclusion at this point. Oh well, some of the other stuff is actually sounding pretty good for once. I don't want to get my hopes up since the DA have seldom been good in the last eight or so additions, but this Codex has a lot of merit to it (if nothing else, it finally found a way of making normal battle company stuff look worthwhile for once).
A lot, however, will come down to precise pricing of units. If the Deathwing and Ravenwing get bogged down with special abilities and are made to overpay for it (no matter how niche some of it can be) then we're kind of back to where we were before where DA get lumped with the "elite" status and a price-tag that means they just can't field enough bodies to be relevant. Though at least this time, a greenwing gunline at least seems viable and should come at a good price. But I do hope that the RW and DW get some love this go around instead of just being more expensive and worse versions of what vanilla can otherwise field.
Aeri wrote: They said Ravenwing got the biggest points drop in the codex, but some other stuff got cheaper aswell.
That's heartening at least. Getting the prices right on DW and RW have usually been the main sticking point in each new codex, and normally they're over-cautious about it. RW coming down across the board is (probably) good (assuming they don't go too far and make them too good of course).
Alternatively, if they can make the DW better at managing against hordes (which a double-fire stratagem off the drop could certainly help with), then that could make up for the lack of bodies as well. But it is hard to extricate 40k from the "boyz before toyz" paradigm (and going to far in the other direction just gives us hero/deathstar-hammer).
I guess I'll just have to wait and see while being cautiously pessimistic the whole time (a fine DA tradition! ).
Inner circle...Benefit vs fallen? What a total waste of a special rule. The units that have inner circle I imagine will be 5 man units anyway so woo auto pass morale!
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
I haven't really looked, but have the other codexes that have come out been using recycled cover art?
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Maelstrom808 wrote: I haven't really looked, but have the other codexes that have come out been using recycled cover art?
I think all of them have used recycled cover art. I know the CSM codex has the same cover as the 6th edition codex (which is fine because that art is awesome) and the AdMech codex uses the Codex: Skitarii artwork.
I was hoping Deathwing Assault would be, you know, related to assaulting. I had visions of 10-man Knight units storming with ease into opponents' lines, but alas, I'll have to settle for a ridiculous torrent of stormbolter and assault cannon fire. Sounds like a good way to clear screening units away, though, right?
I just want plasma. All crazy plasma, all day long...
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Maelstrom808 wrote: I haven't really looked, but have the other codexes that have come out been using recycled cover art?
I think all of them have used recycled cover art. I know the CSM codex has the same cover as the 6th edition codex (which is fine because that art is awesome) and the AdMech codex uses the Codex: Skitarii artwork.
Yeah, it's a great cover so no complaints from me. I was just curious.
11,100 pts, 7,000 pts
++ Heed my words for I am the Herald and we are the footsteps of doom. Interlopers, do we name you. Defilers of our
sacred earth. We have awoken to your primative species and will not tolerate your presence. Ours is the way of logic,
of cold hard reason: your irrationality, your human disease has no place in the necrontyr. Flesh is weak.
Surrender to the machine incarnate. Surrender and die. ++
Tuagh wrote: If you won't use a wrench, it isn't the bolt's fault that your hammer is useless.
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No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester 
The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k 