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 Kanluwen wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The real giveaway is that they would get the Overwatch buff AND a Commisar buff.

Iyanden got the Commissar buff and Valhallan buff, so...it's not that unbelievable.

What makes it extremely sketchy to me is the Lion.

Ilyaden has the Commisar buff, not something else relevant to the discussion. So the Marines would get that AND an Overwatch bonus.

No it's bunk.



Iyanden has two separate perks going on.

Why do you think it would be so strange for Dark Angels to get two perks?


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Niexist wrote:
plus he's dead, dead primarchs don't get to come back.

He's actually not dead. He's at the center of the Rock, tended to strictly by the Watchers in the Dark. Last mention was that he's actually showing signs that he might wake up.

The dead Loyalist Primarchs are Ferrus, Sanguinius and Dorn with Corax, Vulkan, the Khan, Russ, and Lion being MIA now that Guilliman's awake.

It's a powerful bonus with another powerful bonus. Look at the previous Codices with how they stack everything. AdMech, Guard, and Eldar have these things as separate entities. Nothing is combined like that is how I meant it.

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Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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100% fake. You're telling me that a free relic lets all Dark Angels within 9" shoot twice every Shooting phase? You're telling me there's a Warlord Trait that gives all Dark Angels within 9" a 5+ Feel No Pain? You're telling me the Lion is Guilliman+1 with the potential to be combined with a 9" bubble of shooting twice?

Yeah, no. Not even worth the time it took to write.
   
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Yeah, this is looking like BS. Although, can you imagine the carnage it would cause to have a lump of maxed-out Hellblasters firing twice with overloaded shots with rerolls to hit? That could wipe the floor with most lists, whether they be horde or massed armor.
   
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You Dangel players need to stop trying to make Lion happen.

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Joe March, the guy who runs the 40k DA facebook page, and the Inner Circle Facebook page likes trolling people with these.

Last time he did it, it started on Fb, blew up, got debunked (by him, even), hit here, got debunked, hit Spikeybits, got debunked again, hit here again, got debunked, hit Taco Bell of Lost Souls (and farts), got debunked, and still kept circling.

Can we maybe lock this down before that happens...again?

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Niexist wrote:


Actually according to the latest fluff he is dead, this is taken from his 1d4chan article.

"The author Gav Thorpe said in a recent interview that "the Lion is dead" which is at odds with fluff given in codices and Luther's own ravings, though that statement was not unequivocal, as the answer given in the interview was specifically with how 40k Dark Angels deal with various layers of revelation within the circles of the Chapter. So the Lion's "death at the hands of Horus" and that "Horus blew up Caliban" are the first thing that Dark Angels have to come to terms with, but eventually find out that they had been lied to and that knowledge is specifically withheld from them to let them be good space Marines "here and now" rather than thinking about the existential problems of the past. So the Lion's "death" is still as uncertain as ever.

( http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/4/c/e/4ce8f98c68676bdd/Ep_133_-_Legacy_of_Caliban_wGav_Thorpe.mp3?c_id=11000551&expiration=1456327494&hwt=dc63c5caa6e74be2ced10b4aae7b3964 ) (fast forward to 00:37:09)

The idea that the Lion is actually dead and gone is unfortunately backed up by "The Eye of Ezekiel" that suggests that the dying Lion gave Cypher a final important mission to complete before he died."


Well if so that's gonna piss off a tonne of players and it contradicts the general known fluff of the lion is asleep on the rock.

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Another reason to debunk the rumours is the Lion's weapons, Hope and Despair. While they are weapons that he 100% uses during the Heresy, Despair is listed as a ranged weapon (with a profile pretty close to a plasma weapon) when it is explicitly a sword in 30k (Hope and Despair are a pair of blades that he uses against Konrad Curze in their duel on Tsagualsa)

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 Arachnofiend wrote:
The Lion being there pretty much proves this is fake. If he was going to be released we'd already know about it.


Like how we knew so much about the Death Guard release, right?

Nah, GW have gotten rather good at springing surprises. To be frank the DG release was literally smoke and mirrors until stuff was actually released. We knew more about the Primaris stuff months in advance than we did about anything from the DG release.



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 DarkStarSabre wrote:
 Arachnofiend wrote:
The Lion being there pretty much proves this is fake. If he was going to be released we'd already know about it.


Like how we knew so much about the Death Guard release, right?

Nah, GW have gotten rather good at springing surprises. To be frank the DG release was literally smoke and mirrors until stuff was actually released. We knew more about the Primaris stuff months in advance than we did about anything from the DG release.


Wut?

Death Guard Announcement Trailer (including Mortarion-Scythe-Teaser) was around March. There were literally fake rumours on BolS & Co. (i.e. speculations post-GW announcement) that Death Guard would be the last 7th Ed. Release before the actual 8th Edition drop. Death Guard was certainly known before people knew about Primaris or Guilliman-Super-Marines, which was much more speculation, smoke and mirrors.


Either way. All Gathering Storm books (especially the one with Guilliman coming back), Death Guard + Mortarion and Primaris have gotten the ~2 month notice with more or less cryptic teaser trailer treatment. I find it unlikely GW would present a YouTube teaser for Shadespire Skaven, but not another Primarch. Not absolutely impossible, but unlikely.

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Buckybits wrote:
Joe March, the guy who runs the 40k DA facebook page, and the Inner Circle Facebook page likes trolling people with these.

Last time he did it, it started on Fb, blew up, got debunked (by him, even), hit here, got debunked, hit Spikeybits, got debunked again, hit here again, got debunked, hit Taco Bell of Lost Souls (and farts), got debunked, and still kept circling.

Can we maybe lock this down before that happens...again?

-John


This. So much this.
While Joe did not write these up ( he told me so), I do not believe one second that these rumours are anything than utter and pure bollocks.
Besides that, we didnt have leaks as detailed as this in the entirety of 8th since GW cracked down on their leaks.
And then to have such detailed leaks on the day the codex is announced?
it smells more fishy than a rotten blue whale on the coast of Fish Island in Fishnobia. Where the second export besides smelly fish is salt. Loads and loads and LOADS of salt.
I'd bet a considerable sum of money on the fakeness of those "leaks"

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DS WITHIN 9", almost guaranteeing a charge for power fisting, storm boltering Terminators?
These standards with character rules?

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Again, I'm taking it with a bit of salt, but remember back when the Primaris Marines were leaked most of us thought that was a conversion too.

Anything is possible. But I wouldn't get my hopes up until someone confirms it.

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Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


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Eh, the deep strike thing I could actually see happening, as a high CP stratagem. Especially since it would have to involve a second unit (ravenwing) getting there without the benefit of deep strike. It is literally the thing the two wings together are most famous for; the bikers hunting the quarry and bringing terminators down right on top of them.
And it’s not like DS within 9" is unprecedented after all; Mawlocs can get to 1" without any assistants or stratagems at all.

That said, I reckon even if it does turn out to be a thing it would be more monkeys and typewriters than any level of actual informed rumour-slinging. The post taken as a whole is utter junk.

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As much as I would love to see the return of the Lion, I just think the two Angel codexes will be book only, no new models. They will already have Primaris options added to the books, so I don't expect anything else. The return of the lion would be such a big story arc that there is no way it's just snuck in there. The caveat to this is if we here something cryptic after the Tyranid book drops next week.
   
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I'm thinking the only thing we will see with the DA book is a solo Cypher release. The book will have to address the time jump of 8th edition and the reveal of Cypher as a major imperial player. I don't see Cypher staying out of the DA book.

It seems odd for GW to hit the Christmas season riding another release that amounts to just a pair of codexes and some card packs but that is likely all I imagine them doing.

 
   
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About Ferrus Manus being dead, he is supposedly being cloned over and over again by Fulgrim. He might be dead but he also has a plot hole that could see him rescued and restored to the imperium.


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One thing to remember, however, is that the Lion image earlier this year from the rumour mill has still not been solved, so to say we haven't seen "anything" might be disingenuous. This could certainly be part of a Lion model.
   
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Thought that was Blacktalon's shoulder guard.

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 Eldarain wrote:
Thought that was Blacktalon's shoulder guard.


ahh, wasn't aware it had already been solved, damn.
   
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 bullyboy wrote:
 Eldarain wrote:
Thought that was Blacktalon's shoulder guard.


ahh, wasn't aware it had already been solved, damn.

Its not Blacktalon's shoulder guard.

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Then hope still remains. The internet rage alone kinda makes me hope these rumors are perfectly correct

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I could see GW doing that plasma stratagem just to sell more Hellblasters

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Caederes wrote:
100% fake. You're telling me that a free relic lets all Dark Angels within 9" shoot twice every Shooting phase? You're telling me there's a Warlord Trait that gives all Dark Angels within 9" a 5+ Feel No Pain? You're telling me the Lion is Guilliman+1 with the potential to be combined with a 9" bubble of shooting twice?

Yeah, no. Not even worth the time it took to write.


The Lion rumor is definitely false - this is coming from a long time Dark Angels player. There aren't nearly enough new models/units to drop for DA currently, and we can safely say GW is not going to do a solo drop of a primarch.

As for the old sacred banners, this is what truly separated DA's and other astartes in 6th ed. I can't see why these relics can be reincluded with the upcoming codex. The point cost hasn't been released, so technically we can't claim them being free - it might cost +50 points so we might be looking at 160~200 pt banner carrier. At which point, one would argue, is the banner worth a named character or almost a land raider?

As for the plasma strategem, plasma weaponry has been DA's thing since 3rd ed. This fluff point never has been addressed up until when our terminator squad finally got a plasma cannon arm after +15 years. Again, I can't see why plasmas can once again be a thing for DA's.

Instead of Lion, what DA needs is access to generic captains for ravenwing & deathwing. DA's re-roll auras are only available in forms of a few named characters who can only be taken once, where as other astartes have access to lot more named characters and/or HQ's with re-roll auras.

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Those Lion rules had better be false unless he costs 600+ points. Even Girlyman can't hold a candle to that kind of nonsense
   
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If the rumours are true then it could be an early play test version of the rules so I'd expect some of the wilder stuff to be reined in. I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one Primarch before Christmas as it would make sense as another big Christmas release. With that in mind a 1000 to 1 shot of both the Angel and the Lion in their new codexes.
   
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 skchsan wrote:
There aren't nearly enough new models/units to drop for DA currently, and we can safely say GW is not going to do a solo drop of a primarch.


There isn't? You know already what units GW might come up with? Pair of new character models ala Guillimann and done.


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 Arachnofiend wrote:
The Lion being there pretty much proves this is fake. If he was going to be released we'd already know about it.


We didn't find out about Magnus until November 11th. Meaning they can still pull a loyalist out of their hat with another "look what we found in the dumpster" video.


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 skchsan wrote:
Caederes wrote:
100% fake. You're telling me that a free relic lets all Dark Angels within 9" shoot twice every Shooting phase? You're telling me there's a Warlord Trait that gives all Dark Angels within 9" a 5+ Feel No Pain? You're telling me the Lion is Guilliman+1 with the potential to be combined with a 9" bubble of shooting twice?

Yeah, no. Not even worth the time it took to write.


The Lion rumor is definitely false - this is coming from a long time Dark Angels player. There aren't nearly enough new models/units to drop for DA currently, and we can safely say GW is not going to do a solo drop of a primarch.

As for the old sacred banners, this is what truly separated DA's and other astartes in 6th ed. I can't see why these relics can be reincluded with the upcoming codex. The point cost hasn't been released, so technically we can't claim them being free - it might cost +50 points so we might be looking at 160~200 pt banner carrier. At which point, one would argue, is the banner worth a named character or almost a land raider?

As for the plasma strategem, plasma weaponry has been DA's thing since 3rd ed. This fluff point never has been addressed up until when our terminator squad finally got a plasma cannon arm after +15 years. Again, I can't see why plasmas can once again be a thing for DA's.

Instead of Lion, what DA needs is access to generic captains for ravenwing & deathwing. DA's re-roll auras are only available in forms of a few named characters who can only be taken once, where as other astartes have access to lot more named characters and/or HQ's with re-roll auras.


Why wouldn't they? Magnus was a one drop.

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 Arachnofiend wrote:
The Lion being there pretty much proves this is fake. If he was going to be released we'd already know about it.


100% this.

No way is the Lion jsut being dropped off at the end of the year. They built up Robert for months before his release.

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Who was the person at GW who used to do all the reveals? He had a beard / moustache, he had a mohawk at times, he used to dig around in the trash...

Can't remember. Anyways he's gone. Their social media has being going downhill and most of the advance announcements we get are from the community site.

If they are planning to release a model for the Lion, it would be best to do it with the release of the Codex. Can't write this off for making sense.

   
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 techsoldaten wrote:
Who was the person at GW who used to do all the reveals? He had a beard / moustache, he had a mohawk at times, he used to dig around in the trash...

Can't remember. Anyways he's gone.


Oh yeah?

Dang. I liked that guy. Seemed genuinely funny.

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