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Tyran wrote:
We cannot cripple space logistics. What are we going to do, shoot anti-satellite missiles against their spaceships? even nukes are near useless against space targets.


Having space logistics doesn't negate the need for ground logistics. A horde of billions of orks/tyranids/whatever still has to eat and get ammunition, you can't have spacecraft coming down to feed each individual soldier a hand-delivered meal. You have to deliver mass quantities of food/ammunition/etc to a central location, and that target can be destroyed.

Similarly, our logistics are very exposed from space. Our entire concept depth defense is useless against orbital assaults. Refineries, industry, agriculture, bases, fleets, cities, etc. all very vulnerable to having an army dropped on them.


And yet in 40k this rarely happens. Space marines and their drop pod assaults are portrayed as an incredibly rare exception to the general rule of fighting WWI trench warfare in space. Only the Tau and maybe the Eldar make a habit of hitting weak points and logistics, everyone else generally prefers to run screaming at the enemy with a chainsaw.

And artillery and nukes are a thing in 40k. That has never stopped Orks or Tyranids.


They are, but only in a very scaled-down form, because GW doesn't understand how much damage these weapons can actually do. A Manticore on the tabletop kills maybe five models per turn, if you roll well. A Manticore's real-life equivalent kills everything on the entire 6x4 table in one salvo of rockets. Massing up millions of horde infantry just means more casualties every time the artillery fires.

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That last point is one of the reasons I don't think the concept of Earth's armies lining up on the battlefield opposite the opponent is what should be looked at. A centralized force is easier to destroy for most of the factions listed.

Some factions are more vulnerable to logisitics problems. As far as I know, a Necron Warrior doesn't care. Nobody is handing him his next meal. He doesn't use replacement parts - his form fixes itself. I don't know about ammo, but I doubt they swap out clips the way we do.

An IG or even SM force, on the other hand, always needs to be concerned about where it's supply chain is. Boltguns run out of ammo. Guardsmen degrade if they miss meals.

Orkz would be more resistant to supply chain breakages. Worst case, they'll crack some heads with whatever's handy (or get shot and spread their spores, who will then crack heads with whatever's handy - or get shot and spread their spores...).

Nids would have some sort of supply chain after a fashion. They would move biomass - either raw or as constructs such as creates - from where they find it to where they're still being resisted.

Eldar would be very reliant on supply chains, as the average Guardian shouldn't be unleashing enough psychic power to make stuff, is not currently walking a craftsman's path, and still need to eat. But there'll be no way to do anything about their supply chains. Dark Eldar are similar, but don't use Wraithbone, and are adept at raiding and taking what they need.

Each faction is different, but I think Earth only has a logistical advantage over SM and IG options.
   
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Bharring wrote:
What are the odds we're advanced enough a species to produce a herbicide that is hostile enough to Ork spores to kill them, when they survive in so many wretched and horrid environments without issue?

Also, it'd have to be toxic enough for Orkz, but not toxic to humans.


Please. We'd just restart production of Agent Orange. It worked great in Vietnam, it'll work great on Orkz.

Things like spinal bifidia and cancer only matter if there's going to be a next generation or old age. If hardly anybody lives past 40, those side effects can be ignored.

   
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About chapter that's only a 1k strong, they do have support staff in the menials/tech, its where all the surviving failed aspirants go, something like 100-1 ratio, so a 1k chapter have around 100k support staff.

Logistics:
orks need none, they eat the dead or alive, including their own smaller cousins, they hodgepatch together parts that looks like a gun and trukk, and it works because they believe it does.

SM: they can supply drop from orbit, many of their cruisers have their own manufactorum, they can last very long(yrs) without supply too behind enemy lines based on fluff.

dark eldar: they feed on pain, and there will be plenty for them, its like a all you can eat buffet here.

nids: plenty of biomass here, most desolate regions are probably the desert and the poles.

IG: they do need supplies, the las clip are rechargeable over heat, they can scavenge our ballistic weaponry.

skitari/mech: minimal food substance needed, plenty of oil here.

chaos: they just eat and desecrate our bodies.

tau: sushi?! lol!

I'm not sure about necrons or eldar, don't know what kind of nutrition they need if any.

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Post topic: Mass consumption of food

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 Big Mac wrote:
About chapter that's only a 1k strong, they do have support staff in the menials/tech, its where all the surviving failed aspirants go, something like 100-1 ratio, so a 1k chapter have around 100k support staff.

Logistics:
orks need none, they eat the dead or alive, including their own smaller cousins, they hodgepatch together parts that looks like a gun and trukk, and it works because they believe it does.

SM: they can supply drop from orbit, many of their cruisers have their own manufactorum, they can last very long(yrs) without supply too behind enemy lines based on fluff.

dark eldar: they feed on pain, and there will be plenty for them, its like a all you can eat buffet here.

nids: plenty of biomass here, most desolate regions are probably the desert and the poles.

IG: they do need supplies, the las clip are rechargeable over heat, they can scavenge our ballistic weaponry.

skitari/mech: minimal food substance needed, plenty of oil here.

chaos: they just eat and desecrate our bodies.

tau: sushi?! lol!

I'm not sure about necrons or eldar, don't know what kind of nutrition they need if any.


Orks still need bullets and gas. Gas is a complex process with hard to find metal catalysts. No grot is going to just spin that up.

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They could just loot what they fight.

And they don't need bullets or gas. Upthread, there are some posts pointing out that even pointy sticks work.
   
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Bharring wrote:
They could just loot what they fight.

And they don't need bullets or gas. Upthread, there are some posts pointing out that even pointy sticks work.


No, pointy sticks don't work in the Real World (TM). They would never even see a modern army before being wiped out.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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That's because in the real world, killing a guy doesn't make more of him. With Orkz, killing Orkz makes more Orkz.
   
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Bharring wrote:
That's because in the real world, killing a guy doesn't make more of him. With Orkz, killing Orkz makes more Orkz.

You know that spewing spores doesn't mean they all grow right? Can't spew spores in the middle of an atomic cloud, herbicide (2nd ed baby) or napalm strike. Wipe them out, spray the area.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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So it depends on if they all come down in 1 spot, or they show up everywhere. If they show up everywhere, we don't have the resources (or necessarily a strong enough herbicide) to kill em all.
   
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 Peregrine wrote:

Having space logistics doesn't negate the need for ground logistics. A horde of billions of orks/tyranids/whatever still has to eat and get ammunition, you can't have spacecraft coming down to feed each individual soldier a hand-delivered meal. You have to deliver mass quantities of food/ammunition/etc to a central location, and that target can be destroyed.


That would be true for Orks, but Tyranid creatures eat whatever they find. Humans, animals, trees, fungi, etc. They moment they run out of food is because the planet is a lifeless, waterless and airless rock.


And yet in 40k this rarely happens. Space marines and their drop pod assaults are portrayed as an incredibly rare exception to the general rule of fighting WWI trench warfare in space. Only the Tau and maybe the Eldar make a habit of hitting weak points and logistics, everyone else generally prefers to run screaming at the enemy with a chainsaw.

Everyone else prefers to do planet wide assaults. It is literally impossible to miss our weak spots and logistics. Our cities are mostly unprotected and completely unprepared to warfare, our industry is to spread out and impossible to defend. The reason 40k is WW1 trench warfare in space is because everyone fortificates their planets to insane degrees, every city is a potential fortress capable of enduring siege for months, there are planets were every square meter is either a trench, a fortification, a minefield or a gun emplacement.


They are, but only in a very scaled-down form, because GW doesn't understand how much damage these weapons can actually do. A Manticore on the tabletop kills maybe five models per turn, if you roll well. A Manticore's real-life equivalent kills everything on the entire 6x4 table in one salvo of rockets. Massing up millions of horde infantry just means more casualties every time the artillery fires.

The tabletop is a gross simplification to have a game. That's like saying that COD is a realistic representation of modern warfare.

   
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Bharring wrote:
So it depends on if they all come down in 1 spot, or they show up everywhere. If they show up everywhere, we don't have the resources (or necessarily a strong enough herbicide) to kill em all.


How would they show up everywhere?

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Tyran wrote:
The reason 40k is WW1 trench warfare in space is because everyone fortificates their planets to insane degrees, every city is a potential fortress capable of enduring siege for months, there are planets were every square meter is either a trench, a fortification, a minefield or a gun emplacement.


Nope, not every planet is The Cage on a continental scale. Not even Cadia or Armageddon.

   
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If a squad of SM with meltabombs drop on Cheyenne Mountain, what are we going to do. Lose Cheyenne Mountain I guess.
If a squad drops on the pentagon, what do you think is going to happen. Assuming they don't level it from orbit.
Most American precision weapons use GPS. Do you think a Techmarine, or any techpriest, will leave the satellite network intact.
Do you think that our internet infrastructure, phone lines, satellite infrastructure, or power networks will be safe.
How can we coordinate our forces, in time, when the command facilities are gone and rapid communications is gone.
We cannot defend everything with armoured divisions. There are too many things to defend.

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Tygre wrote:
If a squad of SM with meltabombs drop on Cheyenne Mountain, what are we going to do. Lose Cheyenne Mountain I guess.
If a squad drops on the pentagon, what do you think is going to happen. Assuming they don't level it from orbit.
Most American precision weapons use GPS. Do you think a Techmarine, or any techpriest, will leave the satellite network intact.
Do you think that our internet infrastructure, phone lines, satellite infrastructure, or power networks will be safe.
How can we coordinate our forces, in time, when the command facilities are gone and rapid communications is gone.
We cannot defend everything with armoured divisions. There are too many things to defend.


Then what. As the US has found, that just stirs up the hornet's nest.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Tyran wrote:
The reason 40k is WW1 trench warfare in space is because everyone fortificates their planets to insane degrees, every city is a potential fortress capable of enduring siege for months, there are planets were every square meter is either a trench, a fortification, a minefield or a gun emplacement.


Nope, not every planet is The Cage on a continental scale. Not even Cadia or Armageddon.


I said that there are planets, not all the planets.

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Not that I'm being all 'humanity...feth yeah!', but it might be worth reading up on guerilla fighters such as the Viet-cong and a little about the generations-long conflicts still raging in the Middle East before you decide how far peoples' will to resist will take them.

An alien force zapping in and assassinating leadership is likely to do little other than martyr them. It's a viable tactic when you're talking strategic generals, but fails miserably when it comes to charismatic politica leaders.


Let me see - So they are incapable of recon? Why couldn't they teleport outside of the the White House then walk in? They are god damn tanks. Or are you just choosing to ignore the in-world 40k fluff, despite writing on a forum about the in-game fluff? High enough level psykers can kill people on a planet from the comfort from their space ship (Eisenhorn series, etc.) Or, again, are we ignoring the fluff on a fluff thread? Because the US can't eliminate resistance movements in wars that they are fighting according to international law, attempting to limit civilian casualties, etc., 40k armies couldn't crush resistance without any such restrictions? Ehh...why bother. Either you accept the fluff as is and our planet would be crushed, or you reject the obvious absurdities of 40k (space magic, problems of scale, etc.) and assume Earth could resist. We are on either ends of the spectrum - no biggy!

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Kinda hard to beat a fictional force when you can just handwave in whatever you want that fictional force to have.

By the by, there's much more to our guided weapons than just orbital GPS but that's enough of that.

M.

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An ork Waaagh of 50 million orks. (They can spawn more as normal.) - EARTH IS FOREVER INFESTED

One chapter of Marines. - TOSS UP BUT LIKELY CAPITULATION WITHOUT WAR

An Eldar Craftworld. - WHOLE CRAFTWORLD? EARTH LOSES BIG TIME

30 regiments of Imperial Guard - EARTH WINS.

A splinter fleet of Tyranids numbering about 50 million creatures. - EARTH LOSES. OUR ONLY EXPERIENCE IN FIGHTING THEM WOULD BE THE MOVIES "TREMORS" AND "ALIENS." WE'RE SCREWED

A Tau expansion fleet. - EARTH WINS

1000 Chaos Marines. - EARTH IS CORRUPTED. ASPIRING CHAMPION ELECTED PRESIDENT.

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 doktor_g wrote:



A Tau expansion fleet. - EARTH WINS



IMO we wouldn't win against them simply because they would talk first and we would just give up (using mind controlling allies in your negotiations is quite handy). They could just promise a few politicians to fullfil their biggest wish and they wouldn't fight.
   
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Jorim wrote:
 doktor_g wrote:



A Tau expansion fleet. - EARTH WINS



IMO we wouldn't win against them simply because they would talk first and we would just give up (using mind controlling allies in your negotiations is quite handy). They could just promise a few politicians to fullfil their biggest wish and they wouldn't fight.


Mind control? Wha-whaaaa? Have I been skipping Tau's Psychic Phase?
   
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 doktor_g wrote:
Jorim wrote:
 doktor_g wrote:



A Tau expansion fleet. - EARTH WINS



IMO we wouldn't win against them simply because they would talk first and we would just give up (using mind controlling allies in your negotiations is quite handy). They could just promise a few politicians to fullfil their biggest wish and they wouldn't fight.


Mind control? Wha-whaaaa? Have I been skipping Tau's Psychic Phase?

Pretty sure they're referring to the ethereal pheromone theory. Send in a water caste ethereal to negotiate and his "agree with me" pheromones do the heavy lifting.

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 hippyjr wrote:

Pretty sure they're referring to the ethereal pheromone theory. Send in a water caste ethereal to negotiate and his "agree with me" pheromones do the heavy lifting.

One of the newer Codexes mentioned the Nagi; a worm-like race with mind-control capabilities which joined the Tau and often advise Ethereals..
   
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Well. The main question is, if we assume that the 40k universe has physical laws equal to our universe and if the technology in this universe follows these laws.

If we say no, and if we assume that the silly things and numbers written in novels and books are actually true, you can argue all day.

Since false may imply true or false then both sides are right. Your conclusion just depends on your confirmation bias.

However, if we assume that the 40k universe has consistent physical laws, our puny earth forces even if combined wouldn't stand a chance against one single thunderbolt/razorwing/ork attak/pick whatever fighter.

The simple fact that these things on their own power can reach orbit, do stuff there and go back without booster rockets and a crapton of support shows that these things are marvels of technology completely incomprehensible to us.

It would be the same thing as an F-22 facing World War I Biplane Fighters (well not really the same, our aircraft would be even more obsolete)
   
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Tyran wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:

Having space logistics doesn't negate the need for ground logistics. A horde of billions of orks/tyranids/whatever still has to eat and get ammunition, you can't have spacecraft coming down to feed each individual soldier a hand-delivered meal. You have to deliver mass quantities of food/ammunition/etc to a central location, and that target can be destroyed.


That would be true for Orks, but Tyranid creatures eat whatever they find. Humans, animals, trees, fungi, etc. They moment they run out of food is because the planet is a lifeless, waterless and airless rock.


And yet in 40k this rarely happens. Space marines and their drop pod assaults are portrayed as an incredibly rare exception to the general rule of fighting WWI trench warfare in space. Only the Tau and maybe the Eldar make a habit of hitting weak points and logistics, everyone else generally prefers to run screaming at the enemy with a chainsaw.

Everyone else prefers to do planet wide assaults. It is literally impossible to miss our weak spots and logistics. Our cities are mostly unprotected and completely unprepared to warfare, our industry is to spread out and impossible to defend. The reason 40k is WW1 trench warfare in space is because everyone fortificates their planets to insane degrees, every city is a potential fortress capable of enduring siege for months, there are planets were every square meter is either a trench, a fortification, a minefield or a gun emplacement.


They are, but only in a very scaled-down form, because GW doesn't understand how much damage these weapons can actually do. A Manticore on the tabletop kills maybe five models per turn, if you roll well. A Manticore's real-life equivalent kills everything on the entire 6x4 table in one salvo of rockets. Massing up millions of horde infantry just means more casualties every time the artillery fires.

The tabletop is a gross simplification to have a game. That's like saying that COD is a realistic representation of modern warfare.



Remember that Soul Drinkers book where the techmarine basically used his brain as a processor to hack into a computer and download all its information, now imagine our internet that is completely unsecured, or our TV that broadcasts on a daily basis important information coming from our various capitals, also showing where our various government buildings are, then you have movies broadcast into space showing our marital prowess at killing aliens, and each other etc. etc.

If any alien force wanted to know anything about us, all they would need to do is sit in orbit for a few HOURS and know our weaknesses, its not rocket science.

So the "how would they know" argument is pure nonsense.
   
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Such an ability to just brainhack stuff does not appear to be particularly widespread, thats not something that is presented as a typical Techmarine ability, nor are the Soul Drinkers a typical chapter. There is also a huge difference between breaking one system that you already know has what you want (and im assuming have physical access to) and retrieving its information, and doing so remotely to hundreds of millions of interconnected systems, finding the ones you need (they wont be advertising themselves, youd have to do that through analysis of traffic patterns), understanding the principles they operate on and the structure they are built around, with gobs of varied security mechanics from gobs of different designers, and then actually sorting and analyzing the retrieved data.

One can look at something like Wikileaks, they get huge amounts of data all in one lump sum, but take weeks and months and years to actually piece together what they have. And thats with people who live and breathe this worlds subjective nuances, and even huge amounts of that data isnt always decipherable.

More to the point, when you look at hacking, what actually typically works? Hacking the people, not the systems. Trying to defeat the systems is, in most instances, impossible or near enough so, simply because understanding them from without is often impossible without insane resources and huge time investments. Looking at simply our product information databases here at work, assuming you could gain access and knew that the servers existed and could be found here and could differentiate them from other servers that make the business run, you wouldnt know data is or how its organized or how its interconnected and linked or how its used, making it largely useless. I could just give the raw data to 99.999% of people and they'd never figure out what any of it is or means, and thats without any additional encryption or attempts to mask the data at all.

How do large, competently secured systems get broken into? Typically by getting someone familiar with the systems to introduce something from the back end, behind security, knowingly or unknowingly (phishing, etc) and then either spending gobs of time analyzing the data or having someone who is familiar with it do so.

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Most of modern crypto is based on asymetric calculations. Most crypto knows that if you vastly outscale the processing capabilities of the system, you can crack it trivially.

So if they have any goolgle-htz processors, they don't need any fancy hacking to break into stuff. They can just brute-force decrypt it.
   
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Bharring wrote:
Most of modern crypto is based on asymetric calculations. Most crypto knows that if you vastly outscale the processing capabilities of the system, you can crack it trivially.
there are often safeguards against this, account lockouts (e.g. after 3 failed attempts) for example being the most trivial. One might be able to overwhelm and shut such systems down, but there are highly effective methods of preventing brute force attacks form gaining access to data.



So if they have any goolgle-htz processors, they don't need any fancy hacking to break into stuff. They can just brute-force decrypt it.
Assuming no other safeguards? Sure, but at the same time 40k is not presented as a setting where computers are often used in such a manner, the setting often deliberatley keeps them simple, and mass hacking of planetary electronic networks isnt something ever displayed by a faction in 40k really that I can recall, particularly as any sort of information acquisition technique as opposed to simply attempting to break stuff and sow confusion (e.g. scrapcode infections).

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