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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/16/week-warhammer-live-9/

The army lists for this evening are up! (Bottom of the page)

changemod wrote:

 nordsturmking wrote:

changemod wrote:
That was almost no info on the Wardens, which makes it sound worryingly like they really don't have a special gimmick beyond their FNP and a little more Wargear choices.

and more attacks.


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 Fireball wrote:
begs the question if Custodian Wardens equal Hetaerons ... and should it not be "Part 4"?

I don't think Custodian Wardens equal Hetaerons. Fluff wise Hetaerons don't leave the Emperors side.

I mean, I'll still buy them because I need Paragon Spear hetareons to fill out my 30k Custodes, but that's pretty disappointing.

Seems the 40k release is cool models, bland Wargear. The 30k port to spice them up can't come soon enough.

They use paragon blades! Not paragon spears xD
Big rules difference

Tonight's warhammer live army list has "miserocordia" listed as equipment. I was originally pretty miffed that wardens and allarus seemed so meh but the appearance of a previously undiscussed piece of equipment intrigues me.

I can't imagine a world where I would ever, in any context, use a Land Raider as anything other than a meme.

Both army lists are up on WH Live.

changemod wrote:
That was almost no info on the Wardens, which makes it sound worryingly like they really don't have a special gimmick beyond their FNP and a little more Wargear choices.

Thats good enough to justify the existence of Death Company, Sternguard Veterans and Vanguard Veterans.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I can't imagine a world where I would ever, in any context, use a Land Raider as anything other than a meme.

The problem is the cost. But having two Land Raiders destroying Eldar Flyers ignoring the -2 to hit (-3 if moved), or tanks ignoring the -1 to hit (-2 if moved), for 1 CP seems pretty good.

 carabine wrote:
Tonight's warhammer live army list has "miserocordia" listed as equipment. I was originally pretty miffed that wardens and allarus seemed so meh but the appearance of a previously undiscussed piece of equipment intrigues me.

Yet more confirmation 30k Custodes are meant to have a default power weapon that has no rules and hasn't been FAQed yet.


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 Galas wrote:

changemod wrote:
That was almost no info on the Wardens, which makes it sound worryingly like they really don't have a special gimmick beyond their FNP and a little more Wargear choices.

Thats good enough to justify the existence of Death Company, Sternguard Veterans and Vanguard Veterans.

If their -one- extra weapon wasn't just an axe sure. They seem a little -too- similar to the troops versions.

Magnus as HQ???????????'

I love too the variety of Weapons that Space Marines have. But they are a special case, not the norm. The rest of the armies have 2-3 weapons options normally for their units.

Well unless custodies are even stronger than we're lead to believe, they look like they're boned.

I've been enjoying building little detachments of different Imperial armies that I can combine together to make 2000 point lists with pretty small investments towards any one army. Seeing what constitutes a 2000 point army of these guys is starting to place them much higher on my list.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Well unless custodies are even stronger than we're lead to believe, they look like they're boned.

You're kidding? They seem fine so far. We'll have to wait to see if they actually get into the tippy-top tier but they're pretty obviously going to be in the "above average" category based on these reveals and the leaks we have so far.

Audustum wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Well unless custodies are even stronger than we're lead to believe, they look like they're boned.

You're kidding? They seem fine so far. We'll have to wait to see if they actually get into the tippy-top tier but they're pretty obviously going to be in the "above average" category based on these reveals and the leaks we have so far.

Its not so much a knock on the custodies, but they're facing a Magnus list, with death hex.

 carabine wrote:
Tonight's warhammer live army list has "miserocordia" listed as equipment. I was originally pretty miffed that wardens and allarus seemed so meh but the appearance of a previously undiscussed piece of equipment intrigues me.

That's not 'previously undiscussed piece of equipment'. That's their dagger. Probably replaces earlier editions 'power knife' with something more unique.

Well, I think I might need to run a Patrol of Custodes in my Crimson Fists. Handing out a 5+ is pretty damn nice.

So far I am liking most everything I see.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

Audustum wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Well unless custodies are even stronger than we're lead to believe, they look like they're boned.

You're kidding? They seem fine so far. We'll have to wait to see if they actually get into the tippy-top tier but they're pretty obviously going to be in the "above average" category based on these reveals and the leaks we have so far.

Its not so much a knock on the custodies, but they're facing a Magnus list, with death hex.

Oh you just mean tonight's battle. Yes, it'll hurt, but it is survivable. We'll see if the players are any good. In general though, the army looks quite good and the mortal wounds issue navigable with allies.

 Darkwrath121 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/16/week-warhammer-live-9/

The army lists for this evening are up! (Bottom of the page)

3x Vertus Praetors
– 1x hurricane bolter
– 2x salvo launchers


That answers the doubt about whether salvo launchers were 1 per 3.

 Irbis wrote:

 carabine wrote:
Tonight's warhammer live army list has "miserocordia" listed as equipment. I was originally pretty miffed that wardens and allarus seemed so meh but the appearance of a previously undiscussed piece of equipment intrigues me.

That's not 'previously undiscussed piece of equipment'. That's their dagger. Probably replaces earlier editions 'power knife' with something more unique.

While I could see it replacing the older power knife we've seen no such rules or elaborations on it so it's still undiscussed. It probably is something a bit more than a power knife since all basic custodians have it and since you can't "upgrade" to a vexilla it doesn't make sense for them to have it when they give up their spear.

Unfortunately, with how they wrote out their list (listing some upgrades while leaving some standard gear off like the twin heavy bolter on the land raider) there's no way to tell if it's an upgrade or a default piece of gear.

 carabine wrote:
Unfortunately, with how they wrote out their list (listing some upgrades while leaving some standard gear off like the twin heavy bolter on the land raider) there's no way to tell if it's an upgrade or a default piece of gear.

I'd be really shocked if that is anything but power knife replacement seeing miséricorde is literally medieval name for a dagger knights wore to use up close.

All I can see when I look at the Custodes are the remnants of the GK 5th Edition rules.

Solodins
Shrouding on a banner
Actual Elite army composition.

 Irbis wrote:

 carabine wrote:
Unfortunately, with how they wrote out their list (listing some upgrades while leaving some standard gear off like the twin heavy bolter on the land raider) there's no way to tell if it's an upgrade or a default piece of gear.

I'd be really shocked if that is anything but power knife replacement seeing miséricorde is literally medieval name for a dagger knights wore to use up close.

Just mentioned in the stream now, 4pts upgrade for an additional attack at a different profile, str is likely user as they stated S5, unknown AP.

the_scotsman wrote:
hehehehhe.

Found the thing in the Custodes codex that will need to be FAQed within 2 weeks...

Vexilla 5++, Ministorum Priest, Astropath, 9 bullgryns.

Yaaaaaay...

I’m not seeing it... Bullgryn deathstar with an invuln save? How does it work?

So the castellans axe give +3 strength Ap-3 D3 and is not giving -1 ws modifier like powerfist and you hit on 2+, said the man on the stream...

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Well unless custodies are even stronger than we're lead to believe, they look like they're boned.

I've never watched a warhammer live game. Do they show the dice rolls on camera live so that the results are visible? I'm curious if they tweak the report like I suspect in the old days in WD to almost always show the current army they're promoting in a favorable light through the use of fudged dice rolls and bone headed opposition tactics.

Sarevokk wrote:
So the castellans axe give +3 strength Ap-3 D3 and is not giving -1 ws modifier like powerfist and you hit on 2+, said the man on the stream...

So the spears are now ap 4? They have repeated how the axe has less ap.

 Galas wrote:

Sarevokk wrote:
So the castellans axe give +3 strength Ap-3 D3 and is not giving -1 ws modifier like powerfist and you hit on 2+, said the man on the stream...

So the spears are now ap 4? They have repeated how the axe has less ap.

I think the man is wrong and it's -2. I have a REALLY hard time believing Spears are -4.

Praetorian Plate: Goes to a Custodes model, select an Imperium character and at the end of the opponents charge phase you can teleport the custodian character teleport to the selected imperium unit within 3" and within 1" of an enemy.


Bodyguard relic, neat. I mean, it's interesting on an Assassin?

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
hehehehhe.

Found the thing in the Custodes codex that will need to be FAQed within 2 weeks...

Vexilla 5++, Ministorum Priest, Astropath, 9 bullgryns.

Yaaaaaay...

I’m not seeing it... Bullgryn deathstar with an invuln save? How does it work?

Basically the bullgryn end up with a 4++ invul save and quite a few attacks. However, they're still slow as balls and a 4++ isn't that big of a deal. And don't they already have a pretty good invul available to them? Yeah, basically it won't matter.


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 Cephalobeard wrote:
Praetorian Plate: Goes to a Custodes model, select an Imperium character and at the end of the opponents charge phase you can teleport the custodian character teleport to the selected imperium unit within 3" and within 1" of an enemy.


Bodyguard relic, neat. I mean, it's interesting on an Assassin?

Celestine would be fun. Camp your megadeath custodes out of LoS, swap for Celestine and then Celestine has enough movement she can go wherever you need her the next turn.

Audustum wrote:

 Galas wrote:

Sarevokk wrote:
So the castellans axe give +3 strength Ap-3 D3 and is not giving -1 ws modifier like powerfist and you hit on 2+, said the man on the stream...

So the spears are now ap 4? They have repeated how the axe has less ap.

I think the man is wrong and it's -2. I have a REALLY hard time believing Spears are -4.

The -3 is when you use a strategem with a squad with at least 2 axes. (works like a can opener.)

ERJAK wrote:

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
hehehehhe.

Found the thing in the Custodes codex that will need to be FAQed within 2 weeks...

Vexilla 5++, Ministorum Priest, Astropath, 9 bullgryns.

Yaaaaaay...

I’m not seeing it... Bullgryn deathstar with an invuln save? How does it work?

Basically the bullgryn end up with a 4++ invul save and quite a few attacks. However, they're still slow as balls and a 4++ isn't that big of a deal. And don't they already have a pretty good invul available to them? Yeah, basically it won't matter.


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 Cephalobeard wrote:
Praetorian Plate: Goes to a Custodes model, select an Imperium character and at the end of the opponents charge phase you can teleport the custodian character teleport to the selected imperium unit within 3" and within 1" of an enemy.


Bodyguard relic, neat. I mean, it's interesting on an Assassin?

Celestine would be fun. Camp your megadeath custodes out of LoS, swap for Celestine and then Celestine has enough movement she can go wherever you need her the next turn.

Is it really a swap? Based on that description I read it more as the Custodes just appears next to them and joins the fight, which is STILL excellent for traps!

Audustum wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
hehehehhe.

Found the thing in the Custodes codex that will need to be FAQed within 2 weeks...

Vexilla 5++, Ministorum Priest, Astropath, 9 bullgryns.

Yaaaaaay...

I’m not seeing it... Bullgryn deathstar with an invuln save? How does it work?

Basically the bullgryn end up with a 4++ invul save and quite a few attacks. However, they're still slow as balls and a 4++ isn't that big of a deal. And don't they already have a pretty good invul available to them? Yeah, basically it won't matter.


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 Cephalobeard wrote:
Praetorian Plate: Goes to a Custodes model, select an Imperium character and at the end of the opponents charge phase you can teleport the custodian character teleport to the selected imperium unit within 3" and within 1" of an enemy.


Bodyguard relic, neat. I mean, it's interesting on an Assassin?

Celestine would be fun. Camp your megadeath custodes out of LoS, swap for Celestine and then Celestine has enough movement she can go wherever you need her the next turn.

Is it really a swap? Based on that description I read it more as the Custodes just appears next to them and joins the fight, which is STILL excellent for traps!

If it's not a swap, that's even crazier. Celestine would be hand delivering Custodes characters into combat the whole game. That would be hilarious! 'Surprise Mothaluvas, I got THHREEE golden backup dancers now!'