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I'm starting to think that taking a Battalion of Custodes with a Supreme Command Detachment of 3 psykers and a Culexus could actually do pretty good. You pick powerhouse/mobile casters like Voldus and Mephiston, the Culexus gives enemies a penalty to manifest, and all the sudden they're a lot more protected from mortal wounds while still being elite.

Audustum wrote:
I'm starting to think that taking a Battalion of Custodes with a Supreme Command Detachment of 3 psykers and a Culexus could actually do pretty good. You pick powerhouse/mobile casters like Voldus and Mephiston, the Culexus gives enemies a penalty to manifest, and all the sudden they're a lot more protected from mortal wounds while still being elite.

another idea if you wanna have a fluffy detachment is a vanguard detachment of greyfax and a sister of silence squad, take a rhino with the sisters and they can get into place pretty quick etc. you're basicly for the group scarificing a single squad of custodes. not too bad,

Vanguard Imperium Bruiser detachment

Primaris Psyker (for +1 save or -1 to be hit)
Priest
6x brute shield + maul bullgryn
5++ Vexilum custode

BrianDavion wrote:

Audustum wrote:
I'm starting to think that taking a Battalion of Custodes with a Supreme Command Detachment of 3 psykers and a Culexus could actually do pretty good. You pick powerhouse/mobile casters like Voldus and Mephiston, the Culexus gives enemies a penalty to manifest, and all the sudden they're a lot more protected from mortal wounds while still being elite.

another idea if you wanna have a fluffy detachment is a vanguard detachment of greyfax and a sister of silence squad, take a rhino with the sisters and they can get into place pretty quick etc. you're basicly for the group scarificing a single squad of custodes. not too bad,

I like the idea a lot thematically, but I worry the SoS will get T1 nuked without the Character rule.

Wulfey wrote:
Vanguard Imperium Bruiser detachment

Primaris Psyker (for +1 save or -1 to be hit)
Priest
6x brute shield + maul bullgryn
5++ Vexilum custode

Wow, that would be really scary if I was in a bastion or bunker, or aquila stronghold. If I can move though, not that big a deal.

I really want to know if Misericordia are a regular weapon or forced to make a single attack only, because there's a few scenarios where that could become very important.

changemod wrote:
I really want to know if Misericordia are a regular weapon or forced to make a single attack only, because there's a few scenarios where that could become very important.

I'd say they're definitely a regular weapon. But they also just give an extra attack with its profile

Wulfey wrote:
Vanguard Imperium Bruiser detachment

Primaris Psyker (for +1 save or -1 to be hit)
Priest
6x brute shield + maul bullgryn
5++ Vexilum custode

What exactly is that supposed to do tho? Expensive hard to kill units that just get ignored.

Wulfey wrote:
Vanguard Imperium Bruiser detachment

Primaris Psyker (for +1 save or -1 to be hit)
Priest
6x brute shield + maul bullgryn
5++ Vexilum custode

You mean the slab shields, brute shield is the 4++ so it makes the vexillia redundant. Slab shield is +2 to save.

 Darkwrath121 wrote:

changemod wrote:
I really want to know if Misericordia are a regular weapon or forced to make a single attack only, because there's a few scenarios where that could become very important.

I'd say they're definitely a regular weapon. But they also just give an extra attack with its profile

It was specified to be like a chainsword, either +1 attack with profile or if you had another weapon +1 attack at Str User AP -2 D1.

So it seems that it's the "power knife" that we had for old vexilla bearers. The good news is this means that if Saggitarum guard will now be much more potent if they get transferred over (which they're probably on the list to, they don't overlap with any GW products).

 Kirasu wrote:

Wulfey wrote:
Vanguard Imperium Bruiser detachment

Primaris Psyker (for +1 save or -1 to be hit)
Priest
6x brute shield + maul bullgryn
5++ Vexilum custode

What exactly is that supposed to do tho? Expensive hard to kill units that just get ignored.

Are you serious? Because bulgryn are not that expensive for what they do. I run 5 in my guard list and they anchor my army and are IMO one of the best units in the game.

 carabine wrote:

 Darkwrath121 wrote:

changemod wrote:
I really want to know if Misericordia are a regular weapon or forced to make a single attack only, because there's a few scenarios where that could become very important.

I'd say they're definitely a regular weapon. But they also just give an extra attack with its profile

It was specified to be like a chainsword, either +1 attack with profile or if you had another weapon +1 attack at Str User AP -2 D1.

So it seems that it's the "power knife" that we had for old vexilla bearers. The good news is this means that if Saggitarum guard will now be much more potent if they get transferred over (which they're probably on the list to, they don't overlap with any GW products).

As much as I'd love my Sagittarum to make the jump to 40k, I'm staying pessimistic about it due to their adrathic weaponry making them on the 'less likely' list :/

 Darkwrath121 wrote:

 carabine wrote:

 Darkwrath121 wrote:

changemod wrote:
I really want to know if Misericordia are a regular weapon or forced to make a single attack only, because there's a few scenarios where that could become very important.

I'd say they're definitely a regular weapon. But they also just give an extra attack with its profile

It was specified to be like a chainsword, either +1 attack with profile or if you had another weapon +1 attack at Str User AP -2 D1.

So it seems that it's the "power knife" that we had for old vexilla bearers. The good news is this means that if Saggitarum guard will now be much more potent if they get transferred over (which they're probably on the list to, they don't overlap with any GW products).

As much as I'd love my Sagittarum to make the jump to 40k, I'm staying pessimistic about it due to their adrathic weaponry making them on the 'less likely' list :/

Crap forgot about the 2nd firing profile, but to be fair it's not an Adrathic weapon, it's a disintegration beam which already has a profile in Imperial Index I for the Imperial space marine. Granted the profiles are identical but I think there's a reason they didn't just say an Adrastus Bolt Caliver is a combi weapon with an adrastic weapon, instead giving it a complete independent secondary profile rather than a one shot.

Sadly I'm beginning to worry more and more about the poor chances of grav vehicles getting ported over even though they don't really overlap much with the GW range. But we're almost certain the dreadnoughts will even though there's already a dread in the GW range. I think they're just gonna make independent decisions on what the custodes still have and have mothballed based on their own fluff ideas rather than what can fill what role and what would complete the range.

Getting a little fed up with FW post Bligh. Alan your baby is not in as good hands as it once was.

 carabine wrote:

 Darkwrath121 wrote:

 carabine wrote:

 Darkwrath121 wrote:

changemod wrote:
I really want to know if Misericordia are a regular weapon or forced to make a single attack only, because there's a few scenarios where that could become very important.

I'd say they're definitely a regular weapon. But they also just give an extra attack with its profile

It was specified to be like a chainsword, either +1 attack with profile or if you had another weapon +1 attack at Str User AP -2 D1.

So it seems that it's the "power knife" that we had for old vexilla bearers. The good news is this means that if Saggitarum guard will now be much more potent if they get transferred over (which they're probably on the list to, they don't overlap with any GW products).

As much as I'd love my Sagittarum to make the jump to 40k, I'm staying pessimistic about it due to their adrathic weaponry making them on the 'less likely' list :/

Crap forgot about the 2nd firing profile, but to be fair it's not an Adrathic weapon, it's a disintegration beam which already has a profile in Imperial Index I for the Imperial space marine. Granted the profiles are identical but I think there's a reason they didn't just say an Adrastus Bolt Caliver is a combi weapon with an adrastic weapon, instead giving it a complete independent secondary profile rather than a one shot.

Sadly I'm beginning to worry more and more about the poor chances of grav vehicles getting ported over even though they don't really overlap much with the GW range. But we're almost certain the dreadnoughts will even though there's already a dread in the GW range. I think they're just gonna make independent decisions on what the custodes still have and have mothballed based on their own fluff ideas rather than what can fill what role and what would complete the range.

Getting a little fed up with FW post Bligh. Alan your baby is not in as good hands as it once was.

I agree about the weirdness with FW lately :/

But the disintegration beam is still an Adrathic weapon, lore wise. And it specifically mentions it being as such in the various lore parts of the unit/weapon in book 7

It sounds weird, but I don't really even care about the secondary firing mode on the Sagittarum guard. I just want them to be able to shred infantry, and having the equivalent of an assault heavy bolter on a large unit would do the trick.

Where normal Custodes are assault oriented with an ability to shoot, Sagittarum with Misericordia would be a shooty unit that is still very much able to assault. Heck, they'd still have 4 St5 Ap3 attacks each, and that's nothing to laugh at.

 cuda1179 wrote:
It sounds weird, but I don't really even care about the secondary firing mode on the Sagittarum guard. I just want them to be able to shred infantry, and having the equivalent of an assault heavy bolter on a large unit would do the trick.

Where normal Custodes are assault oriented with an ability to shoot, Sagittarum with Misericordia would be a shooty unit that is still very much able to assault. Heck, they'd still have 4 St5 Ap3 attacks each, and that's nothing to laugh at.

The Adrastus bolt caliver is still a heavy weapon not assault though so they'd only be hitting on 3+, which would be a bit of a pain considering how expensive they are. Granted the Miserocordia would make them formidable in melee I don't think they'd be quite enough without their secondary fire mode.

Personally I'd probably take a Calidus over them for the points every day of the week. If you want anti infantry at range, the bikes with hurricane bolters should be more than enough and won't cost much more than a 5 man squad of Sagittarum.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

Wulfey wrote:
Vanguard Imperium Bruiser detachment

Primaris Psyker (for +1 save or -1 to be hit)
Priest
6x brute shield + maul bullgryn
5++ Vexilum custode

What exactly is that supposed to do tho? Expensive hard to kill units that just get ignored.

Are you serious? Because bulgryn are not that expensive for what they do. I run 5 in my guard list and they anchor my army and are IMO one of the best units in the game.

Yeah, point for point they are a tier 1 melee unit. THey can absorb a primarch charge. They threaten everything in the game in melee. They are also the standard that I will just these custodes by. Custodes need to do something that bullgryn won't.

I wonder if the Shield Captain on jetbike will be limited to only having the Lance? It seems to be the same thing as a Guardian Spear, but without shooting. I'd prefer to have an additional shooting attack if they can take it.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I wonder if the Shield Captain on jetbike will be limited to only having the Lance? It seems to be the same thing as a Guardian Spear, but without shooting. I'd prefer to have an additional shooting attack if they can take it.

a hurrican bolter ain't eneugh dakka for you?

BrianDavion wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I wonder if the Shield Captain on jetbike will be limited to only having the Lance? It seems to be the same thing as a Guardian Spear, but without shooting. I'd prefer to have an additional shooting attack if they can take it.

a hurrican bolter ain't eneugh dakka for you?

You can never have enough dakka when you want to deal with a Horde. Honestly, I just thought the extra shots would complement the hurricane bolter, especially with the reroll to hit for being a shield captian.

 ph34r wrote:
I don't really like the Allarus terminator armor style. I wonder how they would look with big ol Cataphractii shoulder pads.

Well guess they needed to justify these terminators being less tough than the other custodes terminators.

On a model with such great mobility and CC power, surely rerolls to wound would be more valuable than another 2 spear-bolter shots?

Im looking forward to shield-captains on bikes probably more than the regular unit itself, the protection of being a character gives them the valuable extra 1 or 2 turns behind a wall of storm shields before being exposed to the masses of lascannons and plasma. Also that relic jet bike is sweet - 3+ invuln means you can happily take him as an HQ in a soup detachment, as hes unaffected by the loss of the 'chapter-tactic' (what do we call these things??)

I made this video summing up some of the big lore key points that were discussed.

Spartacus wrote:
On a model with such great mobility and CC power, surely rerolls to wound would be more valuable than another 2 spear-bolter shots?

sometimes quantity is better then quality, even for an elite army.

I’m starting to warm towards the idea of just running a supreme command detachment of AC. 3 HQs, 1 or 2 on bikes, and one with the plate relic, alongside a Vexilla. Then build a force up with the remaining points that brings the firepower and board control.

The stratagem that lets you teleport near a Vexilla looks seriously interesting. It’s probably the best use of terminators.

A vexilla can get pretty close to an enemy quite easily, especially if he advances. Pure Custodes armies will probably want more than one of them as well. Then the termites can drop in and charge very reliably.

It’s probably a good thing that there’s no vexilla on bike. That would be a bit too easy.

I think that the best way to run Custodes is to have quite a lot of them. Say around 30 models. It’s impossible to deny that some kind of allied units to hold objectives, screen, and provide a bit of long-ranged firepower would be good. IG are the obvious answer here, though not the only option - obviously.

Overall I’m not sold either way. But we just watched a very average pure Custodes army only just lose to what was supposedly a seriously nasty Tsons list, controlled by a better player. That suggests that Custodes could be a thing.

Really looking like I'm gonna take the Custodes plunge.

Had three sets of Prospero worth that I sold, but the kits were fun to build. And the teeny model count suggests I'll actually get it all painted this time around (will be looked to FW for my Landraiders and Contemptors though. The plastic ones look much too plain for Custodes).

Pre-order is this weekend, yes?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Really looking like I'm gonna take the Custodes plunge.

Had three sets of Prospero worth that I sold, but the kits were fun to build. And the teeny model count suggests I'll actually get it all painted this time around (will be looked to FW for my Landraiders and Contemptors though. The plastic ones look much too plain for Custodes).

Pre-order is this weekend, yes?

yeah pre-orders this weekend. and you might not have a choice if you want a land raider. GW's been out of god hammer LRs for awhile. (although the chaos one is still avaliable so I suppose you could use that)

I don't really think the FW stuff is any less plain than GW's LRs. If anything, FW vehicles tend to be a bit less elaborate and a bit more gritty and realistic than GW ones.

If you're near warhammer world, you could pick up their fancy special character one. It comes with a rhino Primaris and it's £75 for the two, which isn't actually bad.

They both have all kinds of fancy details on, which could make them suitable for a Custodes LR.

I'm not sure it's actually worth bringing one still, but there are options on how to get hold of one. Ebay is another.

I don't think custodes will be a competetice choice pure. But there is definately a few good options. I am hoping and praying the bikes are good. I dig jetbikes