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Wow, so what's the verdict? I see the game's still going but it looks a lot closer than some people here were saying it was.

 andysonic1 wrote:
Wow, so what's the verdict? I see the game's still going but it looks a lot closer than some people here were saying it was.

T1 and T2 looked REALLY bleak, but it turns out we underestimated Custodes durability.

Looks like it's an objective match now. Without the Bikes, I don't think Custodes can catch a lot of the TSons.

So basically they need an ally screen, which they can get pretty cheaply. I'm excited to play against them.

Land Raider is just blowing things apart unchallenged now, that and the remaining 5 Custodes are just wearing down the 1K Sons and looks like they are moving to an objectives win...except the 1K sons just used a relic to teleport onto a back objective.

Alendrel wrote:
Land Raider is just blowing things apart unchallenged now, that and the remaining 5 Custodes are just wearing down the 1K Sons and looks like they are moving to an objectives win...except the 1K sons just used a relic to teleport onto a back objective.

no matter who wins it sure sounds like these armies are pretty balanced, as it could be anyones game.

Custodes aren't doing that bad after all for being just a few models. I think they will be a lot of fun if they get a screen of cheap IG troops.

 Red Corsair wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Dr. Mills wrote:
Yeah, no contest.

At least have the decency to not drop fething Magnus against an obvious "advertising army" of custodes. You'd think they would have made it fun Vs fun rather than the obvious serious list the Tzeench one was...

Thats the problem, GW still thinks that the primarchs are fun for the game when in reality they do the opposite. I am not saying you can't beat them for the record, but in order to beat them you need to play the game in an entirely different way then GW wants to admit. All three basically ruin balance in pick up games.

the bigger issues with primarchs will come when there are 10+ of them running around. Hope ya'll are excited.

I personally would like to see them restricted for narrative play where they should be OP. But I am sure I'll get attacked on that view lol.

I actually 100% agree with you here and to be honest if like to see HQs get actual options back and all named characters be narrative only, though I'll jump in the bunker and duck with you haha

Do we know if the Allarus Terminators get a 5++ or 4++ base?

Mr. Funktastic wrote:
Do we know if the Allarus Terminators get a 5++ or 4++ base?

5++ it looks like but that's me guessing from stream and not anything announcers said.

 Mantle wrote:

I actually 100% agree with you here and to be honest if like to see HQs get actual options back and all named characters be narrative only, though I'll jump in the bunker and duck with you haha

Alas that would reduce chances special characters could be used which means less sales which means GW won't be doing it. They put in super heavies on normal games rather than apoc precisely to make sure everybody can use them so that they get more sales. When it was apoc only which were rare not many had need for super heavy. Now they are every day thing. Guess which one means more sales?

Bikes are 80 points each before weapons!

tneva82 wrote:

 Mantle wrote:

I actually 100% agree with you here and to be honest if like to see HQs get actual options back and all named characters be narrative only, though I'll jump in the bunker and duck with you haha

Alas that would reduce chances special characters could be used which means less sales which means GW won't be doing it. They put in super heavies on normal games rather than apoc precisely to make sure everybody can use them so that they get more sales. When it was apoc only which were rare not many had need for super heavy. Now they are every day thing. Guess which one means more sales?

Yeah sadly this is the case, my gaming group has a fair few new players so they've all jumped on the shiny special characters where the veterans miss making their own HQ choices the way they like them rather than building a force around an existing character, nearly every marine army takes their chapter master along now

Cool as these Codex previews are, I really wish they'd give us a better look at the miniatures. The veteran Custodes kit looks great, but we have 1 pic.

C'mon GW: Flaunt those new kits!!!

Audustum wrote:

Mr. Funktastic wrote:
Do we know if the Allarus Terminators get a 5++ or 4++ base?

5++ it looks like but that's me guessing from stream and not anything announcers said.

Announcers confirmed they are 5++ base.

Who won the game, ts or ac?

 TheSGC wrote:
Who won the game, ts or ac?

Currently bottom of 6th (1K Sons). Current board state looks like 1K Sons will win if it ends this turn, but if it goes to 7 it will favor AC.

Alendrel wrote:

 TheSGC wrote:
Who won the game, ts or ac?

Currently bottom of 6th (1K Sons). Current board state looks like 1K Sons will win if it ends this turn, but if it goes to 7 it will favor AC.

Is the scoreboard up to date? Because it looks like 8 points for Custodes and 3 for TSons.

Nevermind: TSons win as game ends on T6! Was pretty close at the end though and T7 might've swung back to Custodes.

Final is 7-3 1K Sons, AC just couldn't get on enough objectives.

GAME NOTES

1K Sons codex coming soon/quickly but can’t say exactly when. Being very cagey about 1K Sons info beyond what’s directly relevant to the game. 1K Sons Codex explains why/how they have Hellbrutes

Commentator says all three bikes have salvo launchers (posted list had two with launchers, one with hurricane bolters) – List confirmed as correct

Magnus WT: Knows an additional psychic power (4 total)
Cultists and Predator only units in list being played with no invul
Misaercordiae is confirmed as an extra attack with it in addition to bearer’s attacks with main weapon
Magnus confirmed still LoW, not HQ as shown on the WHC army list

1K Son Stratagem for a Webway deep strike

Tzaangor blades are -1 AP, taken in lieu of pistols. Tzaangor brayhorns +1 to charge

Mutalith regens 1W a turn, on flyer size base (no flight stand though), grants bonuses to army, can explode when killed. Wounded Mutalith is S7 A4. Mutalith has a table of powers it can use/roll on each turn. One is reroll charges.

Tzaangor have Death to False Emperor

Rubrics and Scarabs have access to spells beyond Smite

Jetbikes have 4W, 80 points before weapons, squad size 3-10

Legion Trait is +6” to spell range

Spell: target unit is -1 to hit

Spell: caster gets a free reroll

Magnus’s invul cannot rerolled

Death Hex – 8+ to cast, target unit loses invuls

Tzaangor Shaman casting Doombolt, does damage and halves M. Tzaangor Shaman can reroll its first failed cast in the game. Sounds like may have access to the daemon Tzeentch discipline? Could be entirely off base.

Dark Matter Crystal – 1K Sons relic that picks a unit up and redploys it via Deep Strike, one use

Vexilla Teleport Homer Stratagem (?CP) – Deep striking unit can arrive within X” of vexilla and is limited to only having to be more than 3” from enemy. Just used it to drop Trajaan down next to Magnus

AC Termies are confirmed as having deep strike built in, have the 5++ from Aegis, not a 4++ base. Armor grants the extra W and native Deep Strike

Allarus Grenades Launchers are S4 AP-3 D1, Concussion Grenades Stratagem denies target Infantry Overwatch

Trajaan W7; 250 points

1K Sons Stratagem to improve psychic test(s) – no details

Vexillus Praetor 5W, or 6W in Allarus armor

Tzaangor Enlightened have 3 equipment options, fatecaster greatbows (D2 looks like) and two others to be revealed later. Max Size 9. “Very fast”, compared them to Windrunners

Veterans of the Long War is in for 1K Sons

AC Stratagem: Unflinching (?CP) – Overwatch on 5+

Custodian Guard can go up to 10, Misercordiaers are optional and can be taken even with sentinel sword + shield

Castellan axes have the same shooting profile as guardian spears

Interesting game. Not sure we'll have to worry about a new OP army with Custodes since their lack of board control is glaring. Indeed, they look like a straight combat army with no psychic powers and their stats but at least they don't get wasted specialist rules like GKs so I think they'll see play.

80pts before wargear isn't awful. Hoping the Spear and Bolter aren't too expensive.

changemod wrote:

Alendrel wrote:
Derp. They all sound like the same things!

Speaking of which, the army in general seems a bit too samey compared to the FW Custodes. Warders are just slightly more elite custodian guard, alarus add deep strike and their wrist launcher, but are still 2+/4++ spearmen... And as the bikes are less shooty than the FW variants they fall back on their melee as their defining trait.

They need the promised FW document for fractionally more troop distinction and a lot more dread and vehicle definition ASAP.

Honestly I'm kind of happy that the Allarus are so similar to the baseline Custodes, makes justifying using their rules for a teeny-weeny army of truescale Custodes(because of course I have to do that to go with my Primaris-based truescale Marines, I'm evidently a miniatures masochist ) models easier.

10 for the Hurricane Bolter I'd assume, so 90 and counting.

 buddha wrote:
Interesting game. Not sure we'll have to worry about a new OP army with Custodes since their lack of board control is glaring. Indeed, they look like a straight combat army with no psychic powers and their stats but at least they don't get wasted specialist rules like GKs so I think they'll see play.

Hmm, I think an optimized list (like replacing the Landraider with another squad of bikes) might actually be able to project. We'll have to see. I'd say they're definitely competitive with allies though.

My current idea, without knowing more, is 2 Battalions. 6x3 Custodes in min squads of 2 Shields 1 Spear, Captains on Bikes, Vexilla, rest of the points on bikes.

 LunarSol wrote:
10 for the Hurricane Bolter I'd assume, so 90 and counting.

Spears are inbuilt, so we might be lucky there...

changemod wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
10 for the Hurricane Bolter I'd assume, so 90 and counting.

Spears are inbuilt, so we might be lucky there...

If they're 90ppm, I'm sold. Easily maxing them out.

looking at the relics, I'm having a hard time deciding. Usually there are one or two major standouts, but these mostly look very balanced to each other.

The orbital bombardment Vexillia, lightning bolt Vexillia, and super terminator grenade launcher all add shooting to an army that is short on it.

The "deny the witch" Vexillia also adds psychic defense to an army that desperately needs it.

The jetbike is nice, but the character all ready has a a 4++, so not much gain.

praetorian plate looks gimmicky, but could be useful.

I don't really like the Allarus terminator armor style. I wonder how they would look with big ol Cataphractii shoulder pads.

A little like these probably.

 ph34r wrote:
I don't really like the Allarus terminator armor style. I wonder how they would look with big ol Cataphractii shoulder pads.

Like thebforgeworld ones i guess.